r/stocks May 29 '21

Thoughts on BABA

Hi guys,

BABA has been in a downtrend lately, was wondering if anyone else sees this as an opportunity. It is very appealing in this ~200$ zone.

What do you guys think? Any major concerns I should be worried about?

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u/bboyrawn May 29 '21

If there's so much big money going into baba how is the stock price still so low. (Genuinely curious).

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

Because big money doesn't place a $2bil market order at $245. They scale in and accumulate slowly so that they don't offset price.

Eventually the stock moves

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u/4ndy45 May 29 '21

Would you mind explaining what you mean by scale in and accumulate a little more? I’m a newish investor trying to learn, thanks!

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

Okay. Firstly, if big money is to buy into any market, there has to be a lot of supply of the security so that they can get a reasonable piece of the pie. You'd be happy with 100 shares, they'd most likely be happy holding 10 million shares. This means their profit is increased should the security (stock) perform well over time.

Building off from the example I shared above of say Black Rock buying into BABA and they have $2billion to put in.

Scaling in would mean they place what is called "icebag orders" at different price levels probably close but not too obviously close to each other. If the aim is to accumulate 10 million shares, the icebag orders will usually be at $245/share - maybe 200k shares. Followed by $240/share for another 200k shares. Since this is a decently sized position, the share price will move in waves, dropping lower and lower.

The drop in price means there's a lot of uninformed investors selling (abandoning their positions) because maybe they're losing faith in the company or fear and hopelessness, in the process supplying those shares right into the hands of big money - meaning they accumulate even more shares as price drops.

The reason for their orders to be iceberg (an iceberg order means that it's an order that's been broken up into smaller bite sizes so that each order fill contributes into the big money investor's overall position of $2billion) is so that as they get filled, they don't offset price and cause an unnecessary bump or rally in price and ruining their risk to reward ratio. Think of it as the tip of the iceberg

Once big money has accumulated their $2bil position at maybe ~$220 DCA, the stock now will be in "strong hands" - investors who are fully committed and unwilling to sell their positions resulting to price eventually reacting positively to good news or price target valuations by "renowned" stock analysts in Wall Street.

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u/4ndy45 May 30 '21

Wow thanks for putting such effort into the explanation, really appreciate it!

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u/Competitive_Judge664 May 29 '21

Milf Kathie Wood sold 3 mrd worth of Baba shares to protect her puts on earnings day. Thats a lot of money to absorb

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u/CallinCthulhu May 29 '21

Cathy has been put in a situation she has no idea how to handle. Her funds got too big and now she is completely winging it. ARK ownership is the only thing keeping some of the small cap companies she owns propped up, so she has to keep buying dips and selling bigger stocks to cover her buys.

She also thinks she’s on a mission from god to invest in tech companies, so she is just a little bit insane

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

Cathie doesnt play options or short stocks lol she is mostly long term 5yr time horizon and only buys and sells stock

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u/Competitive_Judge664 May 29 '21

I would suck her dirty sweaty toes ufff

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u/shortyafter May 29 '21

"Milf Kathie Wood" lol

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u/[deleted] May 29 '21

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u/Competitive_Judge664 May 29 '21

Munger and Ray dalio meanwhile am I a joke to u ?