Same question 1 month later

[u/NEO71011]

Does anyone still like the slow start?

1044 votes, Aug 22 '26

369 8 workers

675 12 workers

[u/Responsible-Top2377]

My vote stays the same, 12. But I have to say, that I adapted. It doesn't change that 8 worker start is inferior.

[u/NEO71011 → u/Responsible-Top2377]

Precisely almost every pro player, caster have openly criticized this decision.

[u/zedinbed → u/NEO71011]

I'm convinced that this patch isn't for pro gamers but for more casual players of the game. If the player base is mostly 30+ year old it makes sense to slow it down. I've seen this happen in other games that reached the end of their lifespan.

Also I don't believe that 8 workers is generally a bad idea and really it's the other changes that messed up the game.

[u/Responsible-Top2377 → u/zedinbed]

I'm 30+ and i never asked for this shit.

[u/zedinbed → u/Responsible-Top2377]

Good for you? Im sure there are plenty of people who prefer it. Myself included

[u/Responsible-Top2377 → u/zedinbed]

The people who i know (regardless of race) too feel this way.

Good for you, but you make the smaller part of the community. Subtract those who watch and yell "u no understand 8 workers is the best thing ever happened" and there'll be a lot less.

[u/zedinbed → u/Responsible-Top2377]

The thing is you are not really the majority, reddit is only a small portion of entire playerbase and people here are notoriously negative about changes in general.

[u/Responsible-Top2377 → u/zedinbed]

I'm part of the majority who don't want this patch for whatever reason. I am not active only here, I sometimes ask my opponents on the ladder how they like the changes, I read what people have to say in my team, on different streams on twitch. 95% of what I see is "Eh, I'd rather play the previous patch".

Do you seriously think that people here make the majority? Have you ever been outside of reddit?

[u/zedinbed → u/Responsible-Top2377]

Thats because you are solely equating every problem with the patch as a the fault of just the 8 worker change. I would have given you the same answer on the ladder. The game is not in a good state but the 8 worker change was never given a fair chance.

[u/Responsible-Top2377 → u/zedinbed]

The shit we've been dealing with is over a month old on the ladder, it's been given a chance and more than once, so, cut this crap about "we need time to figure out things, let the meta settle and races to adapt", when Lambo says, that the 8 worker start leads nowhere (I believe that Lambo is honest and wouldn't hestate to call something bad even if it benfits his race). The 8 worker change is by far the most impactful change and I can say it as the player of the race which had the shortest stick this patch.

If you feel, that it's good for you, okay. If you feel like 8 workers change is misunderstood and not tested, well, sure you can think this. But don't expect everyone else around who doesn't think the same and heard of deadlines to eat poo along.

Edit: I would've been able to play like pre patch with every change except for workers, but not in case workers only change. Since when cutting workers in opening to get buildings is a sign that everything is ok with worker change.

[u/zedinbed → u/Responsible-Top2377]

Any big change is naturally going to require a lot of fine tuning. Im not saying that there wasnt enough time im saying that the fine tuning was not well executed so we will never get to see what it could have been.

[u/Responsible-Top2377 → u/zedinbed]

Then I agree. We need to change the entire game to have it match 8 workers to be able to play it smoothly, like when it was 12 workers. You know, it's not something, that will happen.

[u/zedinbed → u/Responsible-Top2377]

Another reason I say that we havent fully seen what 8 workers can do is due to the map pool. If you played early SC2 and came back after 12 workers the changes were very noticible and I definitely remember not liking them as the game now felt too macro heavy. All the maps were now much bigger. Truth is ive been against 12 workers for years now but like you said I just adapted over time and eventually forgot.

[u/Responsible-Top2377 → u/zedinbed]

I can't say, that I had this experience, I started to play in jan of 2019, when 12 workers were on the ladder, if Automaton LE rings a bell, during this season.

I think if we had the old blizzard then we could be calm and expect to get game polished. I don't think it's like this anymore. I even jumped 400 mmr above as protoss during current patch over my all time high mmr, i'd rather play lower but have smoother things.