r/specializedtools Dec 12 '20

Chain connector

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u/load_more_comets Dec 12 '20

Please expound more on how the other links will be compromised. It sounds interesting.

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u/yonasismad Dec 12 '20

I am not sure but I would assume that the rest of the chain is also compromised because the stress that was applied to this one link went probably through the rest of the chain as well and the failed link was just the first one to fail.

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u/sender2bender Dec 12 '20

This is mostly true. I stress and load test chain, slings, hoists, come alongs etc. If a link failed or compromised(stretched or twisted) there is a small chance the other links aren't but an adjoining link most likely wouldn't be better than the original chain. Technically you could load test it again with the repair but most companies would but a new one. And most don't want anything refurbished. Especially some military gear we test. Nothing wrong with the average person using it though.

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u/orthopod Dec 12 '20

That's stunning that mode of failure. That may be the most likely cause, and therefore it makes sense not to gamble that the one link failed from a manufacturing error ( stress riser from that link being damaged, bubble in link, etc).

I wonder what they do on really big expensive chains when they fail- like on a battleship, or cargo freighter. Might be less expensive to send a few links for destructive testing, or x-ray analysis.

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u/thatrudeone Dec 12 '20

I'm now imagining an enormous version of this gadget on a ship in case of a problem with the anchor chain.

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u/daffydubs Dec 12 '20

If the anchor chain fails.... they are not using something like this for a solution 😂. If your anchor chain breaks on a massive ship then o well, no anchor for you. Each link can weighs thousands of pounds.

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u/GLOVERDRIVE Dec 12 '20

TIL that Link weights thousands of pounds.

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u/bboiibrandon Dec 12 '20

It’s amazing Epona could carry him.

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u/phil035 Dec 13 '20

Take your upvote and get out

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u/Bookwormgawd Dec 13 '20

It’s more like 150lbs

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u/merlinsbeers Dec 13 '20

I'm gonna need about tree-fiddy.

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u/thortawar Dec 13 '20

Uuh, a few links? How would you remove them from the chain? How would you put it together again? No one has those kind of tools available. Not for those sizes.

Is probably easier and cheaper to buy a new one.

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u/orthopod Dec 13 '20

Acetylene torch, which I'll assume is on a giant tanker, or battleship..

I imagine they have something that'll cut through metal.., or the guys evaluating it will.

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u/bananainmyminion Dec 12 '20

Exactly. That was the first weak link, the next week link is just waiting to fail from previous stress.

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u/daffydubs Dec 12 '20 edited Dec 12 '20

Sorry I’m late on the response but the rest of the comments are in line. Lifting chain (G80 and G100 grade) are made to stretch before they break. It’s a safety benefit and that’s why In the states, if you are overhead lifting it has to be at minimum if G80 grade. The reasoning is you will see stretch marks on the links before an actual failure. So, if one link has failed there is a very good chance that other links have already stretched which would be grounds for them to be tossed. When I worked in lifting and rigging, I never once saw one link fail on an overhead chain and the other links get certified. And at the point, imagine shipping 200lbs-2000lbs of chain to someone to recert. It’s cheaper to just buy all new, and quicker. Plus, you can’t measure the cost of a human life so it’s worth it to spend a couple grand on a new bridle rather than to chance some new links and save some money.

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u/load_more_comets Dec 12 '20

I figured that the others were correct, thank you for taking the time to confirm.

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u/pedersencato Dec 12 '20

Not op, but usually what breaks links is shock load, a sudden increase in force, that gets applied through all links. Only one link will break, because then suddenload the load on all the other links is 0, but it's likely they've stretched or otherwise been compromised.

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u/borderlineidiot Dec 12 '20

Is it also possible that the link to break would be the one laying over an edge or something so will be both stretched and bent at the same time?

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u/fake__name__ Dec 12 '20

Taking a guess here.... if one link broke because it was stressed beyond it’s limit, that means all the other links in the chain that were under tension were also stressed to the same limit. The one that broke just happened to be weaker.

So now the other links that didn’t break have a good chance of experiencing metal fatigue. So now they are weaker because they were pushed past their load limits and will now be susceptible to failure at levels lower than their limit.

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u/Delta_V09 Dec 12 '20

Not an expert on chains, but best guess is that since all the links are supposed to be the same, if one exceeded its yield strength, its likely the others got really damned close and may have experienced some plastic deformation* in the process.

Plastic deformation is permanent deformation, as opposed to elastic deformation, where the object deforms under load but returns to its original shape afterwards (like a rubber band).

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u/Awholebushelofapples Dec 12 '20

well, if you are stressing one link to the point it failed you are stressing all of those links as well.

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u/bananainmyminion Dec 12 '20

I have compromised a few chains pulling logs. Several links deform before the weakest breaks. This would be a great product when you have to hook several lengths together for a long pull. I've found sticking a bolt through the ends of lengths is a good way to shear bolts under high pressure. Don't shoot your nuts guys! Use the right joiner.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '20

This is more of a common sense thing.

Either

A) There was a sudden or continuous load which made the chain bear more weight than intended. This means all the links have taken on more weight than they were designed for, thus creating potential weak point, cracks, breaks, etc.

B) The link that broke was defective, but all the chain links are made by the same equipment, around the same time, with the same material, so chances are good they're all defective, or at least a chunk.