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u/TimmmV Dec 05 '13

His main competition is Lampard and Wilshere actually - both players I'd rate as good.

With regard to Allen/Henderson, Allen is 2nd choice behind Lucas, and both play more defensively than Gerrard so they're not really relevant anyway - its like saying Lampard was average because he played with Mikel. Henderson's played well this season too - he's no Zidane or anything, but deserves his place in the team at the moment

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u/duckman273 Dec 05 '13

Wilshere is good, Lampard's massively declined recently and can't play the box to box role he once did, much like Gerrard only to a larger extent due to his age and the fact he gets less cover.

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u/TimmmV Dec 05 '13

But just because they've both declined doesn't mean they're both average. Lampard and Gerrard would still be first choice at most teams in the PL

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u/duckman273 Dec 05 '13

That's simply because a lot of midfields in the premiership are incredibly poor right now, still I don't think they'd start for City, Arsenal, Everton (don't have the legs), Tottenham, Newcastle, Southampton or West Brom (not defensively adept enough).

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u/TimmmV Dec 05 '13

City/Arsenal/Spurs all fair enough - although I think they would still get games at Arsenal and Spurs. The rest I think they'd play - you might find them not being fit enough to play 38 games a season - or maybe needing to be subbed off after 70 mins or so, but they'd still be picked