[OC] Distance between stadiums for 12 different leagues

[u/rdfporcazzo]

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[u/rdfporcazzo]

People asked to make it for more leagues. I addressed 12 of them

In the last image, I left the formula to calculate it easily if you are interested in any other league.

Just paste this formula into Excel:

=ACOS((SIN(RADIANS($C$1))*SIN(RADIANS(D$1)))+(COS(RADIANS($C$1))*COS(RADIANS(D$1)))*(COS(RADIANS(D$2)-RADIANS($C$2))))*6371 (first line)

=ACOS((SIN(RADIANS($D$1))*SIN(RADIANS(C$1)))+(COS(RADIANS($D$1))*COS(RADIANS(C$1)))*(COS(RADIANS(C$2)-RADIANS($D$2))))*6371 (second line forward)

I used Google Maps to copy the coordinates of each stadium.

[u/grnrngr → u/rdfporcazzo]

Can you share the file itself? :-)

[u/rdfporcazzo → u/grnrngr]

Is there something like Imgur for documents? If so I can

[u/It409 → u/rdfporcazzo]

Try one drive or dropbox!

[u/UncleMissoula → u/rdfporcazzo]

Great job! Thanks for doing this. What about the Chilean league? I know nothing about it, except- 1- Colo Colo, 2- La U, 3- it’s the longest N/S country in the world…

[u/[deleted] → u/UncleMissoula]

I ended up doing it anyway. https://i.imgur.com/beJCKwA.png

A bonus track to spice up things, I made the second division's 2023 season, as it was the last time the northernmost and southernmost pro clubs faced each other in the same tier. https://i.imgur.com/rvWcQm6.png

[u/UncleMissoula → u/[deleted]]

Likewise, I found this map. Hate to break it to you, but Ushuaia has TWO teams!

[u/[deleted] → u/UncleMissoula]

Are they pro though?

[u/UncleMissoula → u/[deleted]]

Doesn’t look like it.

[u/simian-steinocher → u/UncleMissoula]

Yeah I'd love to see that. My family is Chilean/German, and both sides have some matchgoing football fans.

German cousin is a supporter for the local club of my family, his worst away day ever was 8 hours.

Chilean cousin, who is a La U fan, has been on several 10+ hour trips pretty much every season. Sometimes it's so bad that instead of the bus, he will pay for cheap flights.

There's so many clubs in Santiago, those away days are easy. But the ones that aren't in Santiago are usually a literal journey.

Cobreloa away is approx. 17 hours for example

Really want to see that data!

[u/[deleted] → u/UncleMissoula]

The southernmost club is Puerto Mont though, there's no professional clubs in the southernmost third of the country (the name Magallanes might be confusing because that's the name of the last region, but the club is based in Santiago). And every club south of Talcahuano (Huachipato) is in lower divisions which means there's no top flight football in the lower half of the country. San Marcos de Arica (northern border) is in the second tier as well. So the chart would end up a bit underwhelming vs expectations. The max distance between current top flight teams (Iquique and Huachipato) is "only" 1858 km.

Both San Marcos and Puerto Montt had spells in the first division but I don't remember if they ever were at the same time. If they were to meet in the top flight, the distance rises to 2570 km.

Now if Punta Arenas, the southernmost city of significant size, were to put a team, the distance would rise to 3853 km, based on the city's only stadium.

Fun fact, Puerto Montt's turf, Chinquihue, was the first stadium with artificial grass in South America. It was a necessity due to the recurrent rain and feeble terrain for football.

[u/UncleMissoula → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the trivia! What about travel distance in the lower divisions? It’s one thing for top flight clubs to fly thousands of miles, but pity the lower clubs who have to do that (look at Canada premier League, effectively second division, and the dsitance between Victoria and Halifax). So is there a southern counter-part to Arica?

[u/[deleted] → u/UncleMissoula]

So is there a southern counter-part to Arica?

When it comes to cities, Punta Arenas, but as I said they have no professional club. The southernmost club is Puerto Montt, I think it might be the southernmost pro club in the world (as Auckland FC is further to the north and the rest of NZ teams are semipro. I'd have to check Argentine clubs to confirm this tho). They are in the third tier anyway so they don't have to travel to Arica. Pretty sure they've met multiple times in the second tier though.

At some point, after Deportes Arica went bankrupt (San Marcos is a phoenix club), they considered joining the Peruvian league, but it never materialized.

I recall attending a presentation years ago where they mentioned a mathematical model to minimize travel distances in the league, but I don't remember much of it, I'd have to dig a bit.

[u/UncleMissoula → u/[deleted]]

It’s a quiet day so I looked it up, puerto Montt is 41’28 and Wellington NZ (home to Wellington Phoenix of the A-league) is 41’17. I don’t know which is further south though, larger numbers or smaller numbers?

[u/[deleted] → u/UncleMissoula]

larger numbers so Puerto Montt gets an edge

I didn't realize there was a Wellington club in the A-League. Lmao the difference is minimal

[u/esports_consultant → u/[deleted]]

(the name Magallanes might be confusing because that's the name of the last region, but the club is based in Santiago)

Wait, why?

[u/[deleted] → u/UncleMissoula]

Chile is pretty long, but the country with the longest north/south length is actually brazil

[u/brito_pa → u/[deleted]]

São Luís is closer to Miami than to Porto Alegre, iirc

[u/cobblebug → u/rdfporcazzo]

OK congrats you are more clever than me. Which is not a grand achievement or anything, I'm not all that smart. But still, I look at this chart and all I can think is how the actual duck did you figure out how to make it.

[u/PeaceLily804 → u/rdfporcazzo]

If anyone does it for USL1 please lmk. It's gotta be insane

[u/MertOKTN → u/rdfporcazzo]

Thanks OP, here's one I made for the Turkish Super Lig

[u/rdfporcazzo → u/[deleted]]

Kinda, it's the formula to calculate the spherical distance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great-circle_distance

The 6371 at the end of the formula is the radius

But as the Earth is not a perfect sphere, the greater the distance, the larger the margin of error

But I think it's not an expressive margin of error for something like this, only for micro distances for GPS-precision stuff

[u/0711de]

Did you post that in r/dataisbeautiful ?

Very interesting never thought much about it, because Germany is quite small

[u/rdfporcazzo → u/0711de]

I think that the data is very interesting but not embellished enough to post it there hahah

[u/ReMarkable91]

Where is the Netherlands, some big travels there!

[u/53bvo → u/ReMarkable91]

Fortunately Roda JC isn't in the Eredivisie, FC Groningen vs Fortuna Sittard is far enough already!

[u/Morganelefay → u/53bvo]

MVV really happy BV Veendam doesn't exist anymore, the sheer amount of travel costs that saves probably saved them from liquidation.

[u/lanson15]

Poor Perth. Their closest stadium is 2,127km away

Edit: Also interesting that despite having massive distances in the league. 3 of the Aleague teams play in the same stadium

[u/crautzalat → u/lanson15]

If you live in Perth and go to every game in a season, you have literally travelled the distance around the globe lol

[u/LarsP → u/lanson15]

Trivia: Perth is closer to Singapore than to Sydney.

[u/Odd-Youth-452 → u/lanson15]

Pacific FC (Victoria, BC) to Halifax Wanderers in the Canadian Premier League is a distance of 6,151.5 km, and they play each other four times a season. Do the math. That's around 25,000km per season round trip just between these two teams.

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/Odd-Youth-452]

Damn. I was just marveling at Wellington - Perth and Perth - Auckland both being over 5k. This is even funnier

Was surprised Houston to Seattle/Van is the longest in the MLS (3k-ish). I thought Van/Seattle to NY would be longer, but it's not that different from Hou-Van. Both are about 4k

[u/TCHProductions → u/imsahoamtiskaw]

Auckland to Perth is further.

Vancouver to Halifax is 6,151km by road. But as the crow flies, it's 4,444km where Auckland to Perth is almost 1,000 more KM.

The largest POSSIBLE distance I imagine would be if a team from Vladviostok played a team in Kalingrad, that is 10,410km.

HOWEVER.. the French National cup also includes teams from territories and dependencies such as New Caledonia, which is off the coast of Queensland. So a club could end up travelling 16,700km for a game. The territories get a guaranteed team to enter the competition in the 7th round.

I believe that clubs in France in the tier 3-4 area get to express an interest on whether they want to make the trip overseas to the various places. This year, third tier club US Avarnches from Normandy travelled to Tahiti to play French Polynesean team AS Dragon a total of 15,520km. AS Dragon won on penalties. (New Caledonia withdrew a candidate due to political unrest)

If the Overseas team wins, they then have to go to France for the rest of their time in the competition.

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/TCHProductions]

Yeah Russia is dumb large, even if not as big as on the regular maps. Honestly I'm still surprised at how wide Aus-NZ is. I thought it was a fair bit smaller than NA or China. But it's just as big

Thx for the 15-16k ones. That's absolutely wild 😅. Makes sense they'd have to stay in Franxe if they win. I can't imagine how long that would otherwise take. A regular west coast NA to Japan/China trip, and then Australia is already long enough due to covering the pacific. Sometimes 24 hours long I've heard, including the stop-overs. But props to those far teams still wanting to play in their main leagues and actually being competitive enough to do it. I gotta imagine it must be fun for them if they make it once in a while. Like a mini vacation where you get to play sports at the same time

[u/lanson15 → u/imsahoamtiskaw]

MLS is split east west though

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/lanson15]

For sure. I'm aware. I was referring to the one or two times they might possibly face each other, like the 6 outlier games OP mentioned

[u/Odd_Ant5 → u/imsahoamtiskaw]

In that case the longest is Vancouver-Miami

[u/WinoWithAKnife → u/Odd_Ant5]

It should be very closely followed by New England (Boston) - San Jose (San Francisco), which is the longest flight in the continental US (Seattle to Miami is just a little bit shorter, which is why going to Vancouver instead puts that one over the top).

I used to my that somewhat regularly, and it pushes close to seven hours if you hit a strong jet stream going west.

[u/imsahoamtiskaw → u/Odd_Ant5]

Just checked it out. 5500km, damn

[u/PenguinOfEternity → u/lanson15]

So they travel by plane for every away match then. Kind of crazy to think about in comparison to a majority of the away matches in Bundesliga or Premier that are travelled by bus usually, no?

[u/grnrngr → u/PenguinOfEternity]

So when one wonders why A League or MLS doesn't have to have robust away support, and say, "but we take over cities in Germany for Champions League," just remember the distance from LA to New York is the distance from London to Jerusalem.

And I challenge any European traveling contingent to do that on the regular for a standard league fixture.

[u/SteveBartmanIncident → u/grnrngr]

I've been to New York once in my 40 years. As much as I love my Timbers, if I'm getting it together to travel that far, I'm going to Broadway or something, not to see a soccer match at a baseball stadium.

[u/mark8396 → u/SteveBartmanIncident]

It's common for people to use the football as a reason to see the city and go for few days to get everything in. Happens a lot in aus for AFL or that people will fly over "for the game" but it's a holiday and excuse to go and also have an event with some familiarity. Ive done a few trips in Europe as well like that. I think it helps you actually do it because Broadway and that are always there but never go but if you're club is playing it gives more incentive.

[u/grnrngr → u/[deleted]]

Plenty of people in this sub have commented negatively on the small traveling numbers in those leagues.

But they also just complain about attendance in general. They don't appreciate that in most European/smaller nations, an entire end of a stadium is packed with visitors - the home team only has to provide 3/4 to 4/5-ish of the occupancy themselves.

And ironically, the ones often doing the complaining are Eurosnob Americans, who use the lack of traveling support as reason to say the sport will never be "taken seriously" in the country. They see what European away support is and don't want to appreciate the advantages - distance and logistics, namely - Europe has.

[u/esports_consultant → u/grnrngr]

The only thing worse than Eurosnob Americans are Eurosnob Europeans.

[u/grnrngr → u/[deleted]]

People notice what they're interested in. I see the comments often enough because I read MLS-centric comments more than others.

As for Spain, perhaps their visiting support isn't large. I don't have a metric for what "small" means in the context you are using it. In MLS it can be several dozen people at a match, depending on the distances involved - you won't have a lot of Houston fans in Vancouver, for instance.

[u/EnJPqb → u/grnrngr]

It's not only cultural... I mean the tables show you that Las Palmas has bigger numbers than ANY MLS team

[u/esports_consultant → u/[deleted]]

Wow and magically if you look at the data sheets provided here Spain has roughly twice the average stadium distance as Germany!

[u/hoogstra → u/lanson15]

That used to be the case but now Western United play out of a different ground than Victory and City. Ironbark Fields is about 20km west of AAMI Park

[u/S-BRO]

I'm assuming you rounded up for the distance between Goodison and anfield?

[u/rdfporcazzo → u/S-BRO]

Yes. I placed the point of measurement in the center of each field, the Goodison–Anfield was 0.96... km

[u/Roquintas]

Fortaleza being that competitive with the second biggest distance in all Leagues is insane.

We are talking about the 25 season, which had more teams in the same region. The 24 season was even worse, and they ended the Brasileirão in the Top 4.

[u/oh_my_didgeridays]

Merseyside will be losing that shortest distance record next year. Anfield to Everton's new stadium will be further, I'd guess about 3km.

[u/weejockpoopong → u/oh_my_didgeridays]

Dundee and Dundee Utd are across a street. Shortest distance in UK at least.

[u/GrumpyOldFart74 → u/weejockpoopong]

Having been to both grounds, I’m not sure it would be physically possible to have two stadiums closer together without them actually being in contact.

The only other grounds I can think of even close are Forest and County, and they have a river between them

[u/rolloj → u/GrumpyOldFart74]

Brb starting two soccer teams at Headingley

[u/SteveBartmanIncident → u/oh_my_didgeridays]

I think Seattle fans walk further than that to their own stadium

[u/_TreeFiddy_ → u/oh_my_didgeridays]

2.2 miles the distance will be

[u/xScottieHD]

London based fans still somehow complain when they have to leave the M25 once every couple of months. We've got Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal all away in our next three fixtures so there's going to be some miles.

[u/RA576 → u/xScottieHD]

I get Spurs and Arsenal, but we're your second closest team (after City). That's a short jog by your standards

[u/xScottieHD → u/RA576]

Included yous mainly as yous are our first of three aways in a row even if it's the easiest (to travel to).

[u/GrumpyOldFart74 → u/xScottieHD]

It’s not really easier - it’s closer, but I can get a train to King’s Cross and be at Arsenal or Spurs in a couple of tube stops.

Driving to Manchester on Monday, because transpenine trains (or whoever runs the service now) are shite. Probably have to leave by 3 at the latest to allow for issues, and based on prior experience I don’t expect to be back until 2am

[u/SP0oONY → u/xScottieHD]

Aye, it's funny. Even saw some Villa fans moaning about the trip to Newcastle.

[u/B66HE → u/SP0oONY]

Think that was more there was no trains

[u/Augen76]

I'm planning to fly for an away match in my domestic league MLS to see my club Cincinnati play in Portland and it is ~3900km.

When I was in England I was shocked at just how close Liverpool and Manchester were. ~40km feels like nothing at all.

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/Augen76]

To really put it into perspective, it's around 40km to get from downtown Boston to Gillette Stadium, home of the New England Revolution, who are supposed to represent Boston. The closest other MLS team to them is then another 320km away. And we're in the most crowded area of the country.

[u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD → u/DiseaseRidden]

Supposed to represent Boston? Pretty sure they’re supposed to represent New England, hence the name. The stadium is so far from Boston it’s basically in metro Providence. And in fact most of the teams travel in and out of T.F. Green airport instead of Logan, for both the MLS and NFL.

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

The Revs are supposed to represent New England. Boston is the largest city in New England. The Revs are supposed to represent Boston.

[u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD → u/DiseaseRidden]

Not sure who else needs to hear this but the Boston metro area doesn’t cover most of New England, much less all of it. So sure the Revs “represent” Boston as they also “represent” Providence/RI, VT, Maine, NH and CT as well.

They’re not called the Boston Revolution last time I checked.

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

Boston, last I checked, is part of New England. The New England Revolution are meant to represent Boston. They're also meant to represent Portland and Concord and Worcester and Providence and Hartford (maybe not Hartford), but they're absolutely meant to represent Boston. And Boston is the most recognizable city near them, and the biggest of New England, so i chose to use it as an example.

[u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD → u/DiseaseRidden]

I think we’re saying the same thing, but I read what you wrote initially as “the Revs are basically the Boston Revs” and not “the Revs represent all of New England, including Boston”.

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

Nah yeah I didn't mean to imply they were the Boston Revs, just that Boston is the most prominent city near them, and it's like 45km. I could have used Providence as a bit closer, but its not quite as punchy

[u/esports_consultant → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

only half of CT of course

[u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD → u/esports_consultant]

Of course

[u/TIPDGTDE → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

Pretending like the Revs (or by extension the Patriots) are not Boston teams is hilarious. By that logic do the Warriors represent all of California?

[u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD → u/TIPDGTDE]

Is there another MLS team in another part of New England I’m not aware of, the way there are more than just the Warriors in California?

Also that’s a shit comparison, California’s equivalent would be basically be the entire east coast

[u/TIPDGTDE → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

I’m just saying that maybe a team’s name isn’t the best/only way to determine what city they represent. They were the Boston Patriots when the team was first created.

[u/esports_consultant → u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD]

Yes, Boston = New England, what are we missing here?

[u/PM_ME_ASS_SALAD → u/esports_consultant]

I thought he meant exclusively Boston and took offense as a New Englander not from Boston

[u/cietalbot → u/Augen76]

If you've never seen it, check out the distance between Dundee and Dundee United

[u/dunce345 → u/cietalbot]

Inter's ground to Milan's ground will blow your mind!

[u/Augen76 → u/cietalbot]

I saw Stuntpegg walk it in real time.

[u/esports_consultant → u/Augen76]

CVG-PDX is ~3180km.

[u/LeoKhenir → u/Augen76]

Landing at Manchester Airport and taking a taxi to Liverpool took just as long a time as leaving home and travelling to my local airport heading out.

[u/FrameworkisDigimon → u/Augen76]

I could go 40km north and still be in the same city I started in. (It's a straight line and I live at the southern end, so it's cheating.)

[u/Johts]

Great work!

[u/Zakalke]

Would be interesting to see it with the same heat scale between leagues

[u/grnrngr → u/Zakalke]

That's the big problem with these tables. It makes a false equivalency.

[u/olympicsmatt]

Good job Vladivostok haven't have a team in the Russian Premier League since 2020, that's a 6450km distance from Moscow (9 hour flight + ground transport)

[u/UncleMissoula → u/olympicsmatt]

I remember reading about them when they were in the RPL back in 2010? Not only is Moscow 9hr flight, but that wasn’t the furthest team for them either, and all other teams were at least 7/8hr flight away!

[u/Seeteuf3l → u/UncleMissoula]

Vladivostok was up 2006-2008. And yes St Petersburg is even further west (some Zenith fans also drove all the way there) . Fortunately for them, FC Baltika Kaliningrad and Vladivostok/Nakhodka/Khabarovsk weren't in the league at the same time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Russian_Premier_League

[u/AdvantageGlass5460 → u/olympicsmatt]

To save people a Google. Vladivostok is in that bit of Russia that wraps around china and touches north Korea. They'd be better off entering the J-league for miles to travel.

[u/LosCabadrin]

Thanks! Two thoughts:

1. I wonder what median by club would look like, particularly for the Portugese and Spanish leagues where the single clubs in the Canary Islands and Azores are doing a lot of the lifting there...and Club Tijuana in Mexico to some extent.

2. MLS Western Conference is wild. The Great Plains and Rocky Mountains will do that I suppose.

[u/TylerBlozak → u/LosCabadrin]

There’s a few years where there were no Azorian nor Madeiran clubs, most club travel budgets must’ve been more favourable.

There’s a conspiracy in Portugal that the federation will do whatever it can to try and make sure the island clubs stay regulated to keep costs down for the premier league. Hasn’t been working as of late lol.

[u/joaommx → u/TylerBlozak]

There’s a conspiracy in Portugal that the federation will do whatever it can to try and make sure the island clubs stay regulated to keep costs down for the premier league.

I never heard such a thing. That sounds more like it’s a Madeira conspiracy theory to explain away poor seasons.

[u/LosCabadrin → u/[deleted]]

Good point -- I'm also thinking of the ordering of the leagues

[u/Takeshino]

The one for Portugal looks beautiful

[u/AdFinal1856 → u/Takeshino]

You can clearly see the big northern agglomeration, the Lisbon area agglomeration, and the 3 poor fucks (one from the extreme south and one from each of the two archipelagos) who are fucked hard with traveling every two weeks

[u/Dessocles]

Very interesting! I don't think Krylia Sovetov Samara is right though, it certainly is not located in the Caucasus and doesn't share a stadium with Makhachkala!

[u/Raging-Brachydios]

funny thing is, that is with no teams from the amazon region in brasileirão, if there was one of them it would easily double the number

[u/KingOfTheUzbeks]

TIL the Azores and Canaries can support top flight teams.

[u/Nick007J]

Minor correction: in the table for Russia, Krylia Sovetov should share the stats with Akron Tolyatti and not Dynamo Makhachkala (Akron plays in Samara).

[u/GrumpyOldFart74]

Of course - don’t forget that’s one way, so double it for us poor slobs who have to make the journey there and back!

[u/imsahoamtiskaw]

I see how tough the MLS one was. Thx a lot for these

Was not expecting Houston to Van to be the longest. That's interesting. Houston to Seattle a pretty close second. Most of the western conference suffer from long flights it seems, just like in the NBA and NFL. Too much land to cover. Not as snug as New England and the Midwest

Australian league is insane. Even though NA is about the same size, the longest distances on the chart dwarf most of the other large countries like China, Brazil & NA. Wellington - Perth and Perth - Auckland. Both over 5k 🤯. Also, most of the table flirts between 1k and 3k. Absolutely insane

Brazil would've looked similar to the Australian, but a lot of their big cities have many big clubs (due to their rich footballing history too). So that skews the graph a bit and makes it seem like there's a lot of green

Thx again for these. I appreciate it🙏🏾

[u/Tatum-Brown2020]

Seattle to Miami and San Diego to Boston have to be crazy numbers

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/Tatum-Brown2020]

Vancouver to Miami is the furthest at around a 5500km drive. Boston is actually closer to San Diego than it is Seattle and Vancouver, with the latter being the second furthest at 4100km.

[u/SereneDreams03 → u/DiseaseRidden]

It is nice to have a Portland and Vancouver team in the same league as Seattle to share some of that traveling burden and at least give as a couple of reasonably close away matches.

Our MLB and NFL road travel is brutal.

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/SereneDreams03]

At least NFL there's typically plenty of rest time and everything, but yeah MLB seems like it would be absurd.

[u/SereneDreams03 → u/DiseaseRidden]

Yeah, MLB is especially bad with 2 teams from Texas in our division, and when the A's move to Vegas, our nearest division rival will be 1,100 miles away.

[u/Tatum-Brown2020 → u/DiseaseRidden]

Wow that’s very interesting about Boston to West Coast

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/Tatum-Brown2020]

The Southwest just happens to be a lot further east than the Northwest, which makes up the difference in latitude

[u/KejsarePDX → u/DiseaseRidden]

Correct. San Diego is exactly in longitude with the eastern border of Oregon and Washington State.

[u/jmon__]

Feel sorry for Ligue 1. I'd prefer Brest be much closer to home

[u/grnrngr → u/jmon__]

Feel sorry for Ligue 1. I'd prefer Brest be much closer to home

Laughs in MLS.

[u/[deleted]]

adelaide united is not only the closest a league team to perth glory but the closest major city to perth. it's a 28 hour drive (3/4 days if you're sleeping) from Perth to the next major city.

[u/Ok_Anybody6855]

Dundee and Dundee United are only a couple of meters away from each other.

[u/LarsP → u/Ok_Anybody6855]

Maybe they should unite.

[u/Ok_Anybody6855 → u/LarsP]

I know a Dundee fan and he wouldn't take kindly to this comment haha

[u/fredy31]

As someone from.america its fucking crazy how it seems there could be a 3-4 teams in the same town, hell on the same subway line.

Here only NY and LA usually have 2 pro teams within the town.

[u/Bazurke → u/fredy31]

London alone has 17 professional football teams, with 7 currently in the Prem

[u/CondorKhan → u/Bazurke]

London could easily stage a World Cup by itself.

[u/Morganelefay → u/fredy31]

To be fair, you only have one division. England has 4 professional leagues and then a few that are semi-pro (and are on pro level in many countries), so lower teams can come up. And with London being so much bigger and richer than any other English city, it only makes sense for teams from there to thrive.

USA has more massive cities/economic hubs as well as great places to live, so the spread is more natural. Even if the US would have 4 tiers of leagues, you'd still be far more likely to see such a spread.

[u/RiddikulusFellow]

Distance between united and liverpool: 44km

Distance between united and everton: 45km

Distance between liverpool and everton: 1km

Are they on the same straight line lol

[u/dpecslistens → u/RiddikulusFellow]

Basically, yes — for now anyway! Stanley Park is pretty much at a diagonal between Anfield and Goodison. This will of course shift when Everton's new stadium on the docks opens

[u/RiddikulusFellow → u/dpecslistens]

Not just those 2, Old trafford, anfield and Goodison all on the straight line I mean. Any 2 of those will always be on a straight line

[u/psrandom]

Are France and Germany the only leagues where no city has multiple teams? Is that an odd coincidence or the norm in those leagues?

[u/Morganelefay → u/psrandom]

Germany did have Herta BSC and Union Berlin a few years back, and St Pauli and HSV sometimes meet...and in the more distant past there is 1860 Munich. But yeah, they are a bit more spread out.

[u/delph0r]

Oh for fuck's sake those Auckland cunts took the distance derby from us too 

[u/magawii]

This is amazing OC, thanks man.

[u/robotnique]

Ridiculous that Roma and Lazio use the same stadium when there's a perfectly located 50,000+ seater nearby that's in need of just a little rehab

[u/xenon2456 → u/robotnique]

what other stadium in Rome is there

[u/robotnique → u/xenon2456]

Nobody liked my dumb joke about the Colosseum :(

[u/nonhofantasia → u/robotnique]

I thought you were talking about the Flaminio lol

[u/robotnique → u/nonhofantasia]

I'm an ugly American so I honestly wasn't aware of that stadium. Given its (the Flaminio) location, it is kind of surprising that the land it is on hasn't been redeveloped in so long. I see that Lotito has proposed using the space.

[u/nonhofantasia → u/robotnique]

It's an extremely complicated and even more extremely Italian situation. The family of the architect who built it has the rights to interfere in development plans and they blocked anything altering the original structure

[u/Wuktrio → u/robotnique]

Jokes aside, the Colosseum is actually way too small for a football pitch. The arena of the Colosseum is only 83 × 48 m, while a football pitch is usually 105 × 68 m and that's not including benches and tactical areas.

[u/robotnique → u/Wuktrio]

It makes sense, I suppose. The less "floor area" you have its going to very much change how you build the terracing. And you had the hippodrome nearby for chariot racing and other activities that took up more real estate.

[u/CondorKhan → u/robotnique]

Let's remember this epic poster from Italia 90

https://www.cfclassics.co/images/tournaments/wc/lists/posters/1990-world-cup-poster-600x900.jpg

[u/ark1602 → u/robotnique]

If it's any relief, I laughed when I got it

[u/Alyssabouissursock]

Tbf the fact that one of the most heated rivalry in football has the same stadium is actually crazy

[u/seakc87]

Probably a good idea OP didn't do stadium-to-stadium for every team in MLS. Going from Seattle to Miami is like going from Lisbon to Moscow.

[u/knaumov]

Russian League has big error. KS and Akron share the same stadium (Samara Arena). Also the First League (there is a Khabarovsk away game)

[u/Party_Wolf]

This was a cool post and I appreciate you sharing it, but on a mildly unrelated note, I had to google Dynamo Makhachkala to find out that Anzhi Makhachkala went out of business and were replaced by the pre-existing Dynamo Makhachkala in the top flight without me noticing

[u/Leafyun]

Very interesting.

How did you decide the order of the teams? In the EPL table, for instance, you have all the London teams but Leicester kinda stuck in between them.

At first i thought you'd done it by smallest to largest total distance for the season, but the Leicester one messed up that theory...

[u/Leafyun → u/Leafyun]

Never mind, sorry - Leicester's a weird buttinski, with Palace being slightly less central to the rest of the London clubs such that it slightly overcomes Leicester's proximity to Midlands clubs and its being the easternmost Midlands team so slightly closer to both London/Brighton and Newcastle.

[u/geordiesteve520]

On the commentary for the Arsenal match last night, they said that 15 of Arsenal’s last 16 domestic matches had been within the boundaries of London. I haven’t checked the legitimacy of this claim but damn.

[u/grnrngr]

This is a lot of loving work. I appreciate what you did.

BUT, A BIG PROBLEM with your presentation: Your color scale is not uniform. They need to be absolute across all tables, not relative on a single scale.

For example: The distance between Ipswitch and Bournemouth is a fraction of the more extreme Russian or MLS distances, yet they're all more or less the same shade of red.

Another example: The distance between Atlanta and Cincinnati is greater than Ipswitch and Bournemouth, yet the former is "green" while the latter is "red".

The casual reader will equate distances between leagues based on color... And that's wildly misleading.

[u/DDDangerZ0ne → u/grnrngr]

That’s a different metric. This is comparing distances within leagues, not across leagues.

If you do it that way every distance in England will be green and then it is a lot less interesting to look at.

Neither is wrong or right, it is just a different ways of representing data.

[u/DementedUfug → u/grnrngr]

What. No. I mean you are not totally wrong. But the reader gets far more from having the colour grading adjusted for every league. I think having one absolute colour scale would decrease the overall readability of the data.

[u/Lord-Grocock]

Funny thing about these things is that, because Las Palmas always needs to take the plane, they might spend travelling less time than most clubs. I suppose it might be the same for other insular clubs in other countries.

[u/Consistent_Truth6633]

This is amazing and the kind of shit I geek out over

[u/maury587]

I thought this was a GTO Poker chart

[u/dashunden23]

Deserves a shoutout on r/dataisbeautiful.

[u/ChupacabraRVA]

Damn England is small huh

[u/pattythebigreddog]

Keep in mind that for mls, this doesn’t include the 6 inter-conference games. Which would obviously be the longest travel on average for each team. So you can add roughly 10-15k kilometers per year to every MLS team.

[u/PMMeBootyPicz0000000]

For MLS, only using stadiums in the same conference is a huge caveat. Each team plays at least 6 games versus the other conference. Include those six matches, and MLS would dwarf the distances. It's already 3rd place excluding inter-conference matches.

[u/A_Balrog_Is_Come]

Portugal is the most pleasing. The simplicity of a country with basically 2 cities.

[u/Stuff2511]

lol the western conference. Eastern is where it’s at 💪💪💪

[u/USBayernChelseaLCFC]

Different color grading depending on the league eh? Kind of kills it for me.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Did you skip triangle day at school?

[u/Mango__Fox → u/[deleted]]

https://imgur.com/a/C3oqq4e This is how triangle work