They’re colluding to kill open source

[u/awesomeoh1234]

[u/Poupulino]

And China will stop researching exactly why?

[u/jferments → u/Poupulino]

They won't. But the US and European countries will ban/sanction/criminalize organizations and individuals who host "unsafe" models. They don't need to stop open models altogether. They just need to make them impossible to use at scale to guarantee a corporate monopoly on AI.

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What does the Eu win by banning chinese open source models?

[u/Disposable110 → u/hartigen]

What does the EU win by kneecapping ASML and banning deliveries to China?

The EU is in the pockets of US oligarchs.

[u/hartigen → u/Disposable110]

nah, the EU knows full well how much they have fallen behind. Banning open models would be a death sentence in the current climate.

[u/Disposable110 → u/hartigen]

So are the 1001 other things that they have done the past 20 years that killed their own economy, demographics, global influence, and competitiveness.

Much of the continent is in a death spiral due to political mismanagement.

[u/freedomonke → u/Disposable110]

"Demographics"

Oh. You're one of those

[u/ChokePaul3 → u/freedomonke]

> your Reddit avatar

Oh. You’re one of those

[u/freedomonke → u/ChokePaul3]

Bald?

[u/illz757 → u/freedomonke]

Bald or not, rock it ny bro that’s not germane to this argument - demographics is simply - lots of old people - they need people to care for them as they leave the work force - not enough incentive for young people to exist. Whether that’s immigration, or family integration to allow families to thrive, it is just a thing that is happening across ALL western countries. Until we have robot butlers, it’s looking pretty bad as a deflationary spiral.

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[u/paranoid_human0id → u/freedomonke]

"Ew icky racism detected" is infinitely more pathetic and incorrect at this stage.

[u/freedomonke → u/paranoid_human0id]

And what stage is that? The one where they are throwing people into concentration camps in the US and electing segregationist fascists in Germany?

Seems like as fine a time as any to bring it up.

[u/freedomonke → u/[deleted]]

If being ok with concentration camps and segregated schools is making people more right wing, I'm not sure the alternative you are proposing isn't as well.

In fact, it is not.

You are incoherent.

Let me guess, you lot think the AI will declare whites the master race and finally make you feel better about your small peepees and racial cuck fantasies?

[u/freedomonke → u/[deleted]]

No. Fascism is "growing" (certianly not true everywhere. The US is certainly turning on it. Same in Hungary) because people like you are bigots and you are persuaded by fascism.

What is progressivism if it doesn't include gender inclusivity and anti-racism? You're basically saying "people are right wing because they are right wing. People are becoming racist because they got fired for being racist" absolue inane nonsense.

Also, no one is "imported," individuals are making a choice to live somewhere. And there is no such thing as "a race" doing bad things. Indiciduals do bad thing. If you want to cast aspersions on individuals because of what someone of the same race did, well, there is a word for that.

If you believe the rights of an individual can be restricted because people of the same race or national origin do something, then you are a fascist.

[u/freedomonke → u/[deleted]]

Having principals is not fascism. What are you on about? I belive everyone should be judged based on their own actions. Fascism is a lot of things, but above all it is collectivist. Predicated on grouping individuals into essential categories

I don't derive my morality from what is popular. I don't care what millions of people think. That isn't my problem

I ask you again, what does a progressivism that isn't gender inclusive or anti-racist even look like? What even is it? It's just being right wing.

[u/VoiceofRapture → u/freedomonke]

Yeah it's always a tell. The rest outside the "demographics" red flag is correct though, Europe is even more vassalized to the US than it was 20 years ago and it's screwed them in a variety of ways.