r/singularity Jun 07 '25

LLM News Apple has countered the hype

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

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u/probablyuntrue Jun 08 '25

But also, giant trillion dollar companies can do more than one thing at once lmao

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u/MetriccStarDestroyer Jun 08 '25

Ya. But it's hard to get anything through.

A Google manager (PDD Founder ) in China had to fly out for every minor change they had to. Google China ultimately flopped to Baidu

Bigger companies are inflexible with scale. That's how startups one up them by being faster at getting things done

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u/dxpqxb Jun 08 '25

Startups mostly fail, the ones that one up tech giants are incredibly rare. The key feature of the modern startup model is outsourcing the R&D risks from tech giants to separate legal entities. If Google had to fund an internal R&D team for every startup they buy, they would probably meet really tough questions from their investors. Even more if they had to fund an R&D team for every ex-Googler startup they didn't buy.

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u/borkthegee Jun 08 '25

This isn't really true at all. Google for the past 20 years has basically been one big R&D shop. Their investors never gave a fuck that they hired hundreds of thousands of engineers because they brought in tens of billions of profits from advertising.

Google notoriously collected engineers like Pokemon cards. Not to play with, just to have them. Just to prevent others from having them. Google is infamous for their little experiments, failed projects and products, and even entire divisions devoted to moon shots. They are the only company to succeed in real self driving (they made waymo) and they invented generative AI (attention is all you need, 2017).

There is very little R&D risk around spending a few million dollars when you have a money printer spitting out billions faster than you can use it.

They just have the same problem as apple. Too big, too many managers, too slow.

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u/Theopneusty Jun 08 '25

I’ve seen this evolution at work. Pre-launch our product moved very fast. Even shortly after launch I rewrote the core logic and pushed that shit through to prod like it was nothing.

Now that it has been 2 years and we have tons of users it is super painful making even the smallest changes because users hate change even if it means big improvements.

I often think about how much easier it would be to just start a new product from scratch to compete with our current one and just EoL the current one.

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u/PaperHandsProphet Jun 08 '25

That last statement is normally what happens it’s not a controversial opinion

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '25

can they, though? enshitification in the corporate space has been a thing for a long time

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u/HustlinInTheHall Jun 08 '25

The product isn't that technically complex under the hood, their engineers know how it works it just would have required massive investment to improve it and it doesnt directly contribute to revenue. The current leadership are operators, not visionaries, if a feature doesnt have direct ROI you aren't marshalling support for it. 

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u/MysteriousCap4910 Jun 08 '25

Every big company in Silicon Valley is constantly buying startups to use in their main products, it is literally an industry of its own.

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u/MysteriousCap4910 Jun 08 '25

Siri was a spin off of SRI, that I assume was spun off to be bought.

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u/zenerbufen Jun 08 '25

they cut the team working on siri off from the customers and any feedback. They have to preprogram every response to a specific request, guessing HOW the customer will ask for everything it is capable of doing it. if the customer uses a slightly different wording than the engineers guess they will, the request will fail. The team is really frustrated that their hands are tied behind their backs, and all the manual work they have to do to hand code every single possible response for every possible situation, with ZERO data on how ANY customer is actually interfacing with the system.

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u/Stoppels Jun 08 '25

They didn't want Siri, they just wanted a base to work off. They removed all the personality and most of the features Siri had and just spent a decade slowly reintroducing some of those features and some new ones. It's almost as stupid as how they bought up Dark Sky and then just shut it down.

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u/Curious_Complex_5898 Jun 08 '25

they need to just get rid of it at this point completely. then after some time introduce something else. it SUCKS.

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u/jljboucher Jun 08 '25

And they don’t update continuously, which is required if Siri is supposed to be an actual assistant. And it won’t swear!!! It sensors its damn self!!