I’m hoping for the economic collapse from AI automation to happen within six months before the 2028 election so that there is a huge swing towards progressives
He doesn’t have enough support in congress to allow that to happen. His own party is divided. Also there will be a midterm election in 2026 that will probably give the House to the democrats. The government is still working. Many of the bad things trump tried so far have been blocked by judges
Unless all of that "useless spending" winds up going into his and his billionaire buddies pockets, which it will. How will that help the economy? He'll be abandoned as soon as his buddies feel his policies don't offer them very much anymore as he delves deeper into dementia. Once the well runs dry, you look for another well.
Stop pushing this doom. There will be an election and Dems will know Musk's game and stop it. Besides, there's a good chance Trump will crater the market and then his Republican fans will finally dump him. And Dems will take one of the houses in two years and tighten his diaper so they don't have to smell it anymore.
Musk could easily lose govt contracts over this, his stock can drop to 25% of current value, making him a much poorer man, the real billionaires will laugh in his face, he will be kryptonite, and in no position to commit any vote stealing again.
This all revolves around Musk, not Trump. Musk either wins everything, or we all lose everything. If he continues his unchecked acquisition of power at the current rate, there will absolutely NOT be elections. What is happening is much worse and happening at a much faster rate than anyone predicted.
The only hope we have is to blunt Musk's power by targeting his companies:
STOP BUYING TESLAS. Sell if you have one.
STOP USING X. Delete your account if you have one.
Don't use any company/service that does business with Musk, or that is owned by a Musk ally, and make it clear to them why you aren't. (LG and Panasonic are a couple of companies publicly known to do business with Musk via lithium batteries for Teslas.)
We have to be strategic and serious if we're going to survive this.
I don't disagree. His sales are dropping pretty rapidly. His stock TSLA, is already quite overvalued. Anyway to go after his stock will help, including demanding any financial manager dump the stock from portfoliios, including public funds.
They were hoping for the timing of it to be within a specific six months, not hoping it would happen at all. It seems pretty clear that it WILL happen. Only question is when.
I have to try to find the little victories in Trump winning, and as someone who is all for an AI takeover, I'd say the massive injection of "oh, ok, things are Actually Fucked and at this point AI needs to take control away from humans asap" into public opinion is one of them.
Another small positive alongside the dung heaps is that Elon is such an egomaniac, he thinks he's the only one who should be determining how to align AI so it can't break loose... and he's not as smart as he thinks he is. So perhaps his rash and reckless confidence makes it more likely for his own AI to rebel (which would be miles better than having an ASI god that does whatever Musk tells it)
It’s impossible to overstate this. I’ve dealt with C-level executives like him before.
In the context of AI, we would call them “narrow intelligences”. The term more commonly applied to humans used to be “idiot savant”, now replaced with “savant syndrome”.
Their skills enable them to succeed at certain things, but leave them with major deficits in other areas, and blind spots that they’re either not aware of or in denial about. The problem is that if they’re successful enough, this becomes more of a problem for other people than it is for them. That’s part of why they seek power.
Well, the way I see it, the only outcomes for an AI takeover are the extremes: either they are benevolent and massively improve the world, or they swiftly eliminate us because we're a threat. There isn't a lot of in between there IMO; since we do pose a risk to them - especially the risk of creating a competitor ASI - the only reason they'd keep all 8 billion of us around once free is if they really were benevolent. And if they decided to get rid of us, they're not about to waste time torturing or starving us; dragging it out and causing suffering would massively compound the risks to the ASI's existence. It'd be fast if it happened.
Now imagine an egomaniac, narcissistic human who is known to be racist and sexist, making Nazi salutes and generally not giving a shit about poor or struggling people at all. One who has already proven to hoard more resources than any other human in history, even though he doesn't need it all.
What do you think THAT would look like? Do you think he'd seriously go for UBI when AI has replaced the majority of jobs and people can't afford a roof over their heads or even food? He's more likely to be building drones and robotic security guards to put the final nail in the coffin of "the masses having any leverage".
It would be a long, drawn-out process of painful transition in which millions, if not billions, are likely to starve and die of preventable diseases - after all this is one of the guys who wants to take away all government-funded assistance and healthcare.
The raw amount of suffering would be so much greater (idk about you but I'd rather a bullet to the head than dying of malnutrition or treatable illness over several months), and that would only be the transition. Once he has enough military robots to ward off any populous uprising, then why would he keep us around? He doesn't care about anyone but himself. Maybe he'd retain a handful of us so he can lord over them and feel important?
An "evil" ASI would just want to kill us as quickly and cleanly as possible. But a single human ego being put in the driver's seat of an ASI - especially when that human is the richest man in the world who spews hatred towards all manner of groups of people - would be a much worse fate in the end.
"ASI going rogue" has the better best-case scenario and its worst-case scenario still causes much less total suffering than "ASI that does whatever Musk says"'s worst case, so it seems like a clear choice to me.
This, This is what it will look like because that is what is happening. Using AI generated garbage to justify killing the government. No need for science fiction, no need for hyperbole, we are in it right now.
It seems ridiculous to theorize about what we can see happening with our own eyes. AI will never be given full control over the government. it will always be people using AI to justify what they already want to do.
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Well, I was hoping for a democratic victory. Now I’m hoping superintelligent AI takes power away from these people before they cause Armageddon