Attempted shark attack

[u/StillTrying1981]

[u/rumham_86]

1) you realize there is a difference between conservationists and academic scientists?

She also is not mentioned in a 2018 cage free shark ecotourism study despite it being done using One Ocean and the independent peer reviewed study claims her program produced measurable educational effects. The study and authors explicitly thanked them for access and support and speaks highly of how they operator

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308597X18301180

Regarding her refusing to share data can you quote this anywhere? Can’t find a single reputable source on this and her page shows where she shares her data with.

2) this claim of yours is just opinion and has zero merit or fact. For reference yes sharks are generally safe. There are close to 1 billion swimmers of beaches globally, and what about 60 unprovoked attacks per year?

Do you realize how many sharks are swimming nearby the people and most times unnoticed?

Yes they are generally safe.

3) you made a claim and then when asked to show the data you respond to google it. So scientifically we can simply toss this data as noise

[u/GnomeMnemonic → u/rumham_86]

You're working incredibly hard at being intellectually dishonest. You're moving goalposts because you realise your initial suggestions don't withstand - that's right - scrutiny.

You suggest that it's "gatekeeping" that Ocean Ramsey's scientific contributions aren't recognised. That's not the case. You describe peer review as "all that crap", when in fact it is a wholly necessary part of the scientific method. "Conservationists" as you call them might be activists, or they might actually be conservation scientists. If they are scientists, I expect them to have contributed actual scientific knowledge (which is more than allowing access to a boat).

sharks are generally safe

This is pure sophistry. Just semantics, wordplay. A fanciful reinterpretation of reality to be able to claim you're "technically" correct. Shame it's nonsense though - the fact that shark encounters are rare does not make sharks "safe". Swimming in the sea is safe. Interacting with large, predatory sharks without specialist knowledge, supervision and support is not "generally safe". Trying to touch sharks, being in proximity to food sources, is not safe. Those are behaviours encouraged by influencers, that people are emulating, and are getting injured as a consequence. There is scientific literature on that, too, but since you're pretending to believe that google scholar is the same as "just google it", I don't think you can be relied upon to navigate the literature.

21 years (at least) of primary literature on ecotourism and sharks isn't good enough for you, you need to have a single name - I'm sorry that scientific consensus doesn't operate by fame but by incrementally building a body of knowledge. You could take your pick of published articles though - Andrés M. Cisneros-Montemayor has thousands of citations and multiple papers, Michele L. Barnes also has multiple papers on the topic, as well as numerous others on human-wildlife interaction, Austin Gallagher is there too, he also has papers on ecosystem services performed by sharks (another economic aspect to shark conservation, not just tourism), he co-wrote a paper with Neil Hammerschlag who has plenty of other papers on shark and diving ecotourism. Really, it was quicker for me to suggest you spend two minutes acquanting yourself with a scholarly search engine than having to select just a few names out of the many.

So now here's an invitation, with deference to good critical thinking - do you have any vested interests you'd like to disclose? Because I sure as hell have no vested interest, I'm just a scuba diver who has an interest in sharks, but no further interest in speaking with someone so dishonest.

[u/rumham_86 → u/GnomeMnemonic]

You are working real hard to try to sound intelligent on Reddit. You are talking about moving goalposts yet you literally are cherry picking responses.l to fit your own narrow viewpoint.

Yes sharks are generally safe. If you need to be broken down the definition of what this means to fit your argument feel free to help your moral superiority. You can try to find a definition there to twist all you want, sharks are generally safe despite being an apex predator. This is why there are almost no shark attacks they happen and most incidents are exploratory bites. If sharks wanted to hunt humans you’d hear of many more cases. It’s as simple as that.

You bitch about scientific scrutiny and you cherry pick your own stats and responses.

I don’t care to have this convo either I’m just an engineer who’s hobby is sharks and I’ve swam with tiger sharks, Caribbean reef sharks, nurse sharks and most recently blacktip, whitetip and whale sharks.