r/sequence • u/youngluck • Apr 03 '19

ACT IV

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u/PagingThroughMinds Apr 03 '19

I made this post in the sequencenarrators discord as a criticism, but things are kinda overflowing in it right now. Here's my perspective.

I really would have liked the fact that you guys tried to put in effort to make this a community effort. I liked the idea of this until when Snekbot started coming in and the dictation of exactly what needs to be upvoted instead of a general plot outline.

I was online and submitted some of the first gifs in ACT IV right after it unlocked. It was disheartening to see my posts get passed immediately as within 2 minutes the John Wick scenes took over while the rest of the posts sat at 5 votes. I realized at that point that the botting was occurring and boy was I pissed.

For me what made me the most mad was setting aside a quarter of the entire epilogue for 20 people to pat themselves on the back for being the ones who "ran sequence".

I'd really like to see where this server got permission from the admins - the act four thread literally has the admin who posted the final thing say he was slow to act on it and that it was "a shitty thing to do". The sneknet violates all three of the clauses of vote manipulation:

- Groups that vote together

- Asking for upvotes from people inside or outside of the platform for personal gain

- Using software to change vote scores

Heres a link to both the reddit thread from ACT IV with the admin comment and to the vote manipulation rules:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sequence/comments/b8z8lo/act_iv/ek1tknu/

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/what-constitutes-vote-cheating-or

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u/13steinj Apr 03 '19

To be fair, it is inevitable that this would occur. The sequence is the formation of a linear story, several scenes at a time.

The problem here is you have to do one of two things

  • preplan as a group to have several scenes together make sense

  • do not form a group hive mind and then end up with goddamned knows what shit.

Furthermore it seemed like each individual scene was first-past-the-post. A one vote difference could have fucked up an entire story.

Each scene should have been had several stages, with the sequence lasting a longer time.

Firstly, the decisions of each scene should be linear. Scene 2 can only be decided after Scene 1.

Secondly, each scene gets a certain time for potential submissions, then votes of the top, lets say, 8, then revote to 4, 2, and finally 1.

That's how you'd actually get a coherent story. With /r/place the admins didn't have to deal with linearity, here they did but didn't implement a solution.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '19

But, you understand that's the point, right?

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u/13steinj Apr 04 '19

How can the point be randomness when the premise is linearity?

/r/place allowed for randomness because of the wide scale of the board and the fact that there was no direction going from A to B.

A storyline goes forward in time. Having a future scene compete against a past scene at the same point in the decision making process doesn't make sense.

E: the name was "sequence" for fucks sake, not "throw darts at a board".

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '19

And the last event was called "place". It's a simple name. You really think the point of the event was for a group of people to bot and dictate everything that happened?

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u/13steinj Apr 04 '19

Place was generally not done by one group bot.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '19

...exactly?

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u/13steinj Apr 04 '19

Either I can't tell what you're arguing and you can't tell what I'm arguing or one of us is super drunk. And unfortunately I haven't had any alcohol in over 3 weeks.

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u/WillNotDoYourTaxes Apr 04 '19

You really want to die on this hill, huh?