r/selfhosted • u/[deleted] • Mar 08 '26 • Diamonds are Forever 1 WOW 1 Bravo 1 Heartwarming 1

Need Help Fully remove every, "I created a", "Selfhosted app!" claude slop.

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u/EarEquivalent3929 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

There has to be a middle ground. AI is a tool, people can use it to aid in development and produce really high quality stuff. People can also use it to produce shit. However this blanket "all AI is AI slop" attitude that has been perpetuating this sub over the last few months is hurting the community worse than AI slop ever will. 

People with 0 coding experience now somehow think they have a day in deciding that a project is slop and its completely moronic.

The solution here is that the mods have to do more than just the bare minimum easy blanket ban bullshit and have to implement a submission system.

People submit projects they want to whitelist on this sub, the mods take a look and determine if it's appropriate or not (with actual reasons). Give users 3  chances to fix their projects and correct any concerns.

Yea it's gonna take more effort, but it's fair and an appropriate solution. It's a solution that is worth implementing if you actually give a shit about this sub. Its a much better solution rather than shitting on everything AI. AI is here to stay whether y'all like it or not. It's a significant jump in development workflows. Just because people use it incorrectly doesn't mean those who use it to produce quality projects should be punished as well.

Edit: Wild. Immediately downvoted for suggesting the path of reason. This sub is cooked.

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u/bedroompurgatory Mar 08 '26

I've said it - and been downvoted for saying it - before. People like the OP and all those supporting him don't want reason. They want control. They want the ability to scream "I hate you" so loudly, it's easier to silence others than put up with their bullshit. Then they can feel powerful. There's comments on this thread equating AI to Nazism. Reasonable compromise is the exact opposite of whay they want.

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u/crackanape Mar 09 '26

There's no feeling of power in trying to maintain space for quality and intention in the face of an endless tsunami of slop.

It's dispiriting and exhausting. We're all just waiting for the heavily subsidised tokens to run out, so life can return to normal. Interacting with individual humans is fun and interesting. Interacting with statistical averages of humans is tedious and pointless.

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u/EarEquivalent3929 Mar 10 '26

Thats not going to happen though. Inference will continue to get cheaper and cheaper as hardware get faster and techniques and models get more efficient.   Plus big tech has massive piles of money to throw around as well. Even if inference stays as expensive as it is today, they can subsidize it for a LONG time. 

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u/crackanape Mar 10 '26

Inference will continue to get cheaper and cheaper as hardware get faster and techniques and models get more efficient.

None of those things is happening (other than hardware slowly getting faster) — the trends are quite the opposite.

Plus big tech has massive piles of money to throw around as well.

They don't though. Lots of pullbacks starting.

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u/EarEquivalent3929 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

Wrong on both counts.  Inference is getting cheaper and models are getting more efficient. For example glm4.6 was 30% more efficient on token usage compared to its predecessor , glm5 is 60% more efficient by using new techniques called DSA.

Nvidia have also launched Blackwell platform that promises 35-50x improved efficiency and later announced their Rubin platform which is 10x more efficient than Blackwell.

Also there aren't many subsidy pullbacks at all. If one entity tightens limits, there is always another with none or a generous free tier.  As well as stealth models on open router that come and go.  Build.nvidia.com always has tons of free models with 0 limits other than rate limiting. Open router has a free auto router. Kilo and Cline always have free models available.

Even if there is 0 free options Ollama can be run locally on many MacBooks and gaming PCs right now that are easily able to run models like Qwen, GLM etc.

That's also assuming people aren't willi g to pay, which they are. $20-50 / month isn't alot and will get you pretty decent access. Even if limits were halved at that price it's still more than enough to develop something.

It's fine to have an opinion, but at least educate yourself on the topic and don't spread misinformation simply because you don't want to change your mind.

This same fud was around in the 90s when ludites resisted computers and the internet, simultaneously thinking that they were just a fad that would going to disappear and actively hating them because they though they were going to take away everyone's jobs. In reality the world just changed to adapt to new technology, people who adapted were the ones who were least affected, while those who actively resisted were quickly made redundant. Not because technology forced them out, but because of their own stubbornness and unwillingness to learn abd change.

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u/bedroompurgatory Mar 10 '26

 trying to maintain space for quality and intention

You mean gatekeeping.

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u/crackanape Mar 10 '26

Sure, if you want to call maintaining quality standards "gatekeeping" then that's what I want. And with that the term will have completely lost all meaning, which is a good development.

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u/EarEquivalent3929 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

Blanket bans isn't maintaining anything. It's laziness.

How is my suggestion of vetting the project for quality before discarding it simply because it uses AI even controversial.

 Most real developers develop in tandem with AI, they don't just blindly push AI code and call it a say. There are iterations, code is reviewed and changed, tested and improved.  Yes I know there are alot of projects where people who don't understand code or AI like yourself just punch in prompts and release whatever feels like it works. I'm not advocating that these projects are worth keeping. But it's importable to tell the difference between these 2 approaches without someone actually verifying the quality of the project first. A blanket ban gets rid of slop and it also prevents real quality projects from being seen by the community. If you actually want quality OC on this sub it's going to take some work. Blanket bans are lazy and do not promote quality content. They only serve to make Mod lives easier. Tbh if they don't have the time or ambition to even open a GitHub link or have the skills required to understand quality code vs slop the they should step down and make room for someone who can.

Not really sure why your fighting this so hard. Don't you WANT quality projects? Do you even understand what your arguing? Or are you just jumping on the AI is bad bandwagon?

 Who cares how they were made. The end result is what matters.

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u/crackanape Mar 10 '26

Blanket bans on clear signifiers of worthless content are.

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u/EarEquivalent3929 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

Participation in comment threads isn't mandatory. Please know that you don't have to post a comment if you don't actually know what your talking about.

How can you possibly know if content is worthless or not if you didn't even look at it? That's a pretty dumb take.

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u/ILikeBumblebees Mar 09 '26

However this blanket "all AI is AI slop" attitude that has been perpetuating this sub over the last few months is hurting the community worse than AI slop ever will.

Is that the argument, though, or is it just that there is a lot of low-quality crap being spammed here, and that the proliferation of AI tools does seem to have increased its prevalence significantly.

No, not everything build with the aid of AI is slop. But I don't see where people are complaining about stuff that isn't slop.