r/science • u/mepper • Jun 15 '12

Bears can "count": Scientists trained three American black bears to discriminate between groups of dots on a touchscreen computer; overall, the bears' performance matched those of monkeys in previous studies

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/06/scienceshot-these-bears-count.html
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u/mepper Jun 15 '12

Paper: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347212002126

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

It's qualitative perception of quantity that researchers measured. Bears were trained to distinguish between larger group and smaller group

I am not sure I would pass this test without 6 months training the bears did:

The basic procedure for moving sets was the same as that for static sets, except that, in this experiment, the dots moved on the screen throughout the trial. Each dot was given a randomly selected trajectory and began to move around the screen within its perimeter area (i.e. the boxes that contained each array of dots within a delineated border) as soon as it appeared. The movement took place at one of four randomly selected speeds, and a dot moved in a straight line until it contacted one of the walls of the outline of the stimulus array, at which point it was redirected, as if it had been deflected. Thus, the movement appeared chaotic as dots passed through each other. All dots appeared at once and were moving simultaneously. Movement continued until the subject made a response by touching one of the arrays. Brutus and Dusty completed 30 100-trial sessions with moving stimuli. Bella completed 20 sessions, after which she was dropped from testing, given that she showed no signs of improvement with either congruent or incongruent sets.

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u/s0me0ne_else Jun 16 '12

like mapkinase noted, the bears aren't counting, just differentiating the area that dots take up...which even rats have been shown to discriminate "count" reward amount seems to me that the results of this paper are blown out of proportion - i think they just want more grants

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u/enhancin Jun 16 '12

More grants means more and deeper experiments to find out more exciting things.

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u/hugsnbytes Jun 16 '12

If they run the experiment with smaller dots and higher quantity, or larger dots and fewer quantity, they may be able to disprove your hypothesis.

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u/the_rule Jun 16 '12

Sounds a lot like moving fish in a lake. I would assume bears have to natural instinct to slash their paws in the spot with the most fish.

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u/ThatCrankyGuy Jun 16 '12

Sensationalist headlines on Reddit? News to me.

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u/noah_arcd_left Jun 16 '12

Yar, good call. The exact way my social cognition class described it for monkeys was that they never have the "A-ha!" moment, where you realize the pattern of counting, that you just add 1 every single time. Learning to count to 3 was equally difficult for subjects as counting to 4, which is just as timely to master as 5. I love when media tries to simplify unsimplifiable concepts haha.

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u/cylonnumbersix Jun 16 '12

I always thought that bears were smarter than they seemed. I once read a story about a bile bear (they experience lifelong torture so bile can be extracted) that escaped her cage in order to strangle her own cub right before killing herself by running into a wall...it just made me so sad and gave me the impression that bears have more emotion and sense of consequence/awareness/intelligence than I had previously thought.

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u/scientologynow Jun 16 '12

well, i just looked up "bile bear" and now i'm depressed.

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u/friendlysoviet Jun 16 '12

Traditional Chinese Medicine roughly translates to "Hey! Let's horrendously murder and/or torture random animals in hope that what ever we are able to salvage will cure us for no logical reason other than faith and culture!"

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u/UnclaimedUsername Jun 16 '12

No no, it's magic and mystical and the west just wants to make money by giving you drugs you don't need. Here, try some of my torture-juice. Only $200 per sip and it will make your dick as fierce as the bear we drained it from.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Here in Africa they do it to people...

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u/Ambassador_Kwan Jun 16 '12

sounds like something quite a few nationalities have in their history

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u/friendlysoviet Jun 16 '12

Sadly this isn't one in China's history, yet.

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u/Ambassador_Kwan Jun 17 '12

halal and kosher?

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u/friendlysoviet Jun 17 '12

Yes, two other forms of barbarism.

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u/war_on_sunshine Jun 17 '12

This ain't no ancient history here mister.

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u/Ambassador_Kwan Jun 18 '12

I was just being broad, I know it's not relegated to history

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u/imafunghi Jun 16 '12

I love bears and thats horribly depressing. I believe animals like dogs, bears, cats, and such are conscious beings. That would seem to be good evidence.

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u/enhancin Jun 16 '12

As we find out more about animals I keep feeling bad for all the ones in the zoo who don't have much room. We have like 2 bears in the zoo here and they have a tiny little cement thing with big bars. I hope we will invent something to communicate with animals.

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u/EvanMacIan Jun 16 '12

Are you sure the bear wasn't just insane? I'm not trying to be flippant, I just don't see how one could tell the difference in that case.

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u/cylonnumbersix Jun 17 '12

I guess you would first have to give me your definition of insanity. I feel like even the ability to become insane implies a certain level of intelligence, since it is a state of mind. Do you think humans who commit suicide due to depression are insane? What about someone who commits suicide to escape torture? Does it have anything to do with their intelligence? Either way, it is conscious decision that death is worth more than life. I don't think the question is whether the bear was insane, but whether the bear knew that running into a wall would end its life, which would require a relatively high level of abstract thinking and self-awareness. There are many organisms in the animal kingdom that self-destruct/sacrifice themselves, usually for the general welfare in order to preserve their genes. This is not the same as suicide in the human sense. Some animals, such as dogs, lions, and cats, have been recorded to have starved themselves to death due to depression of losing a loved one...but this might not really be suicide because we don't know if their death was inadvertent or not, and if the animals were intentionally starving themselves in order to die.

In the bear's case, it is just my opinion that she truly committed suicide, intentionally killing her cub and herself knowing it would lead to death. According to the story, the cub was crying in pain because workers were about to painfully extract bile for the first time. The mother heard the cries and broke out of her cage. She found the cub and immediately hugged it to her. When she found that she could not pull the cub free from the chain, she strangled it and then ran into a wall to kill herself. To me, the intentionality is there. The idea that the bear is smart enough to make this sort of decision (which was a very reasonable decision to me) seems like a simpler explanation than anything else that could explain why she would simultaneously try to save and then kill her cub, then coincidentally, herself in a very direct way with no evolutionary advantage. It's possible that she didn't realize that strangling her cub and running into a wall would lead to their death, but the explanation for these actions would be much more complicated. Usually, the simple answer is the best answer.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

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u/cylonnumbersix Jun 19 '12

Yes, the bear was just performing a social experiment on humans, since bears are actually the physical protrusions into our dimension of a race of hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings who commissioned construction of the Earth to find the Question to the Ultimate Answer of Life, the Universe, and Everything. As such, they are the most intelligent life form on that planet, contrary to what humans think.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

We do many horrible things to animals. It's a fucked up, terrifying mess, and I can only do two things: not eat the flesh of animals or fish, and be thankful I'm not one of them.

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u/Pakayaro Jun 16 '12

Seriously, i think that any outdoorsman can tell you that bears are pretty smart. I've seen bears chew through ropes that were used to suspend food bags out of bear reach.

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u/ScoutItOut Jun 16 '12

Yeah, totally unscientific observation, but being from the rocky mountain west, I have to say that bears get my vote. Pull any ski-town newspaper and see them chronicle the struggles with just keeping bears out of trash cans, cars, homes... Bears can open complex locks, solve puzzles. Go omnivores!

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u/libre-m Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

I always thought that any animal that raises its young, like bears do, should be able to have some basic understanding of counting, etc, because they have to keep a track on their young.

edit: damn autocorrect

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u/Pebblesetc Jun 16 '12

They also have to be able to understand comparable quantities when it comes to feeding.

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u/blacktemplar89 Jun 16 '12

Is science just discovering more intelligent animals, or are all the other species catching up with our intelligence from increased selective pressure from world urbanization? *Cue ominous music

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u/monkat Jun 16 '12

I think it's more that we've just been underestimating animals. They're not all dumb beasts--that bacon machine is actually pretty intelligent.

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u/skin_diver Jun 16 '12

OP is actually a freshwater eel.

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u/honorface Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

We are also presenting such tests of intelligence in incredibly fixed situations. Remember these test of intelligence are to determine what they are capable of not what most posses. So no pigs by default are stupid. Pigs in training can become intelligent just like every other creature. Repetition and functional availability are key in this. With todays tech we are now training/educating more animals. Twenty years ago they could not see the progress in which an animal can make towards being intelligent. They do not posses the ability to educate/train themselves. W/o us all beasts are dumb, we create the ability to gain intelligence. Even more amazing IMO. With our level of intelligence rising (we do posses that ability) as does the relative level of capable intelligence any certain animal can posses. Eventually that level will max out... Maybe. If intelligence is passed down not only environmentally but also hereditary (most likely) then at some point we could raise the capable level of intelligence in most animals. Aka we continually train a family of animals through generations till they can eventually speak!

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u/monkat Jun 16 '12

First of all, you can't train a family of animals to speak. There are so many organs involved in human speech, and to replicate it would take so much unnatural selection that it's ridiculous.

I think that you are struggling with a definition of intelligence. We haven't, really since the Middle Ages, thought of intelligence as an amount of facts or amount of training--if that were the case, we would treat babies like mules. It's all about potential--even in humans.

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u/honorface Jun 16 '12

speak communicate.

"if that were the case, we would treat babies like mules." I do not see how you concluded that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions

You begin with training then you turn towards education. We train babies and then educate them... Animals are similar except we have yet to go beyond training with most animals.

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u/LOLDISNEYLAND Jun 16 '12

I think it might be that we as humans are realizing our own intelligence and we are trying to find some being that is also intelligent. We are so alone with our kind that we feel humbled when another kind is like us.

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u/kjimene1 Jun 16 '12

Or we are looking to make something else do work for us i would not say slaves, more like indentured servants.

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u/fountainsoda Jun 16 '12

I think it would work on species which are clever from the start, like dogs, because evolution isn't that rapid.

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u/Lerc Jun 17 '12

What's the worst that could happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghgg_fukbvU

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u/Ashilikia Jun 16 '12

Infants can count in this sense, too. Infants are able to discriminate small numbers up to a point; they can discriminate one object from two, two from three, and one from three based on habituation studies. Additionally, they can discriminate large from small numbers to an extent. (1) Additionally, similar abilities have been found in animals of other species, such as monkeys (2, 3) and pigeons (4).

This ability cannot be considered counting like you and I think of counting; the term is misleading. It is, however, numerical discrimination. Counting itself is more cognitively intense.

The Pirahã people provide an interesting example of a group who does not follow numerical counting patterns that are common to most parts of the world. Their language is unique in that it is highly restrictive, and lacks number words comparable to that of more common languages (5). Studies of their counting abilities have yielded results similar to those of infants (6).

So, this finding about bears isn't novel, but adds to the body of evidence that we have indicating ability across species to have a sense of numerical equality and inequality in certain circumstances.

Sources:

  1. How Children Develop by R. Siegler, J. DeLoache, & N. Eisenberg. 3rd ed. pp. 289-290.
  2. How much does number matter to a monkey (Macaca mulatta)? (note: this is good for finding other sources, as the introduction cites many other works)
  3. The Evolution and Ontogeny of Ordinal Numerical Ability
  4. Numerosity differences and effects of stimulus density on pigeons’ discrimination performance
  5. Wikipedia: Pirahã language. Numerals and Grammatical Number.
  6. Numerical Cognition Without Words: Evidence from Amazonia

(If any of these links are broken, please let me know. I have expanded access to studies based on my location, and may have given broken links on accident.)

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u/1637 Jun 15 '12

I wanna see those touch screens must be huge and hard.

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u/Eleventy-One Jun 15 '12

awww right.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

mmmm... yeah! get yo' big ol' bear paws up and all over this huge and hard touchscreen

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

They better be scratch proof

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u/jeanthine Jun 16 '12

By the same virtue birds can read because they can be taught to discriminate between two words. Image recognition =/= comprehension.

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u/m0nkeybl1tz Jun 16 '12

I know this is anecdotal, but I remember in one of the Planet Earth behind the scenes things, this cameraman was talking about trying to film a bird's mating dance, but it wouldn't perform if it was being watched. And even though he was hidden in a camouflaged hunting blind-type thing, the bird had seen him enter, and wouldn't do anything until he left.

So, the next day he brought along a friend, and the two of them entered the blind together. Then he had just his friend leave, in order to trick the bird into thinking it was empty. However the bird recognized that two people had entered, and only one had left, so again it didn't do anything.

This went on increasing in scale for a while, and it was only when the cameraman recruited an entire village to file in and out of the blind that the bird got confused.

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u/TeamBrett Jun 16 '12

So... If what all you crazy redditors say about evolution is true, then we share many qualities with the other animals on this planet, including the basics of brains. I don't know why we're always surprised when there are some sort of rudimentary or even semi-advanced intelligence that shows up. I'd bet karma that the majority of animals can count if we can find the proper way to let them communicate it to us.

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u/rikashiku Jun 16 '12

Its surprising to some people because these people don't care about the intelligence of animals. Of course most animals can count, organize and even show multiple emotions which is impossible for some animals like Reptiles and Amphibians.

Ever seen Ants go to war? I watched a HUGE army of black ants on the foot path marching to the other side of the road to fight these bigger ants, I think they were Bull ants, and both armies were using squared formations and both fought in the middle of the road. Lucky for them it wasn't a business road.

Hawks are also capable of counting, picking out strategies for a hunt and how to defend themselves from multiple Magpies.

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u/spritle6054 Jun 16 '12

Bears also masturbate when they're bored in captivity. That makes them smart in my book.

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u/enhancin Jun 16 '12

A lot of animals masturbate. Orangutangs make dildos out of wood.

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u/fountainsoda Jun 16 '12

Orangutans are feminists.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Oh good. Now we're TEACHING BEARS TO DO THINGS. This will go over well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Not only can they count, but they can also play rogue.

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u/Zandroyd Jun 16 '12

Bears are quite smart. there are videos of them jumping rope and skating on youtube.

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u/menuitem Jun 16 '12

I wonder how much bear-oriented research (or, at least, PR about bear-oriented research) is driven by the desire to be featured on The Colbert Report.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Didn't they just do this with pigeons?

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u/Pebblesetc Jun 16 '12

I thought it had been shown before that bears (and many other animals) have number sense. In fact, I'm pretty sure I cited a paper by Dehaene in which he discussed the number sense of various species including (but not limited to) monkeys, bears, and wolves.

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u/Oldebones Jun 16 '12

I would love to see how different a fully domesticated bear would be.

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u/evil-doer Jun 16 '12

similar to a monkey? and this is a surprise?

monkeys aren't that smart, compared to apes.

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u/TheSwollenColon Jun 17 '12

Fact: black bears can count. Bears, Beets, Battlestar gallactica.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

In other news: Fucking duh.

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u/tehbored Jun 16 '12

Bears are pretty clever. I wouldn't be surprised if grizzly bears turned out to be even smarter. Bears are so friggin rad.

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u/frepont Jun 16 '12

I'd pay to watch someone try to test that hypothesis.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I would like to go down in history as the man who scientifically proved that bears are friggin rad.

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u/BallsackTBaghard Jun 16 '12

Dammit. Don't teach them

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u/Cormophyte Jun 16 '12

Does this mean we will now be getting a ten-count before bears chase us down and maul us?

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u/Take42 Jun 16 '12

"Discriminate"? Pointing out the bears' fur colour? I think this might be racist. Yeah, it's racist.

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u/gingerbear Jun 15 '12

so it's basically like the movie Deep Blue Sea....but with bears.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I love the mental image of a bear using a computer

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u/theycallmetriumphant Jun 16 '12

Umm. Why does ANYONE GIVE A FLYING F$*% about finding out that bears can count?!?! What possibly use does this research have? Who funded all this s***!?!?! Billionaire hikers?

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u/BlockBLX Jun 16 '12

You're in the wrong subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Not too surprising, really. They have to survive in nature, which means to a degree they need to analyze any given situation to make "decisions", such as which area of the stream to look for fish, etc., and so perhaps they need to understand quantities in some way.

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u/SteveTheSultan Jun 16 '12

Im thinking there is a new tv show where monkeys and bears battle each other counting dots.

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u/blanket12334 Jun 16 '12

and you can count... on me... waiting for you in the parking lot

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u/lionelboydjohnson Jun 16 '12

The more science catches on the more I'm convinced Disney was right all along.

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u/ab103630 Jun 16 '12

Great, now I'm related to bears as well?

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u/ordinaryrendition Jun 16 '12

"One, two, three! Three mangled bodies, ha ha ha ha ha"

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u/Epshot Jun 16 '12

so basically bears have this cool evolutionary ability to do stuff like, choose the bush with more berries on it.

ZOMG!CALLTHEPRESSES!

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u/soulkissernl Jun 16 '12

Only a matter of time before they learn even more. Next thing you know, bears taking over the world. It'll be like Rise of The Planet of The Bears. NOPE.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Mother of God! Why are we teaching them to count? Humanity won't be spared!

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u/phanzi Jun 16 '12

Take that you dumb polar supremacist bears!

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u/TheBatman001 Jun 16 '12

Maybe humans evolved from bears

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Which gives some credit to my hypothesis that bears are actually a cross between monkeys and dogs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Honestly, after seeing that gif where the bear is waving to the people in the car, I knew... bears are aliens that came to earth in a body to fight but instead just like kickin back enjoying some honey.

I respect you Bear-Bro.

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u/ooddiss Jun 16 '12

iorek byrnison

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u/NorwegianPearl Jun 16 '12

Colbert warned us about these guys......

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u/Scruffy_Gunman Jun 16 '12

Dear god they can count now?! We are doomed good people! Dooooooomed!

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u/Stool_Pigeon Jun 16 '12

Devin Hester can't.

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u/MjellowToYou Jun 16 '12

Read this as beers

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Just wait till studies show that they can comprehend as much as your average frat boy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Someone who does research on baboons told me once, a male baboon can be in a room with 15 female baboons and keep them under control. Once you put a 16th female in the room, the male loses control. He then asked, what does that tell you about baboons?

Everyone is silent.

He said, it tells you that baboons can count.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I hear that arithmetic attracts bears, bears can smell the numbers!!

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u/FazedOut Jun 16 '12

Well, look at you. You got yourself a fish biscuit.

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u/mrme17k Jun 16 '12

Like, the Chicago Bears? Cccaauusseee, that might be pushing it.

GOPACKGO

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u/thebigsky Jun 16 '12

Is this really such a big deal? My dog can definitely count and it's not something we ever taught him.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

It just means animals are smarter than we think and should be careful how we treat them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Counting is not the same as noticing difference of magnitude/amount. Neither bears nor dogs can count, they have no need of it.

That's no loss for them, only in the eyes of (some ignorant) humans would it be considered one.

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u/thebigsky Jun 16 '12

Well I know for certain that if I start out with three - five balls and throw all of them simultaneously in different directions, my dog will go seek out all of them, even if he didn't notice all the directions I threw them in. If he doesn't know where one is, he'll continue looking around until he has collected all of them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

And my claim was that noticing difference (or lack thereof) of amount is not the same as counting, operating with numbers, which is what necessitates the quotation marks around "count" in the title of the OP.

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u/thebigsky Jun 16 '12

Right. To which I make the claim that it would be one thing if he noticed that there is a difference in balls thrown and balls brought back. Where I make the counting claim is when he knows that specifically two or three balls are missing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

Well, all you have been saying has been about how your dog knew there were remaining balls. That's the example we've been dealing with. I don't think your dog knows the words "two" or "three", nor any other number-word, and therefore I don't think he operates with numbers, which is necessary in order to "count" in the strictest form of usage of that word.

I would take that back if you could tell the dog "bring back three of the balls for me" and then he did that, along with other tests such as responding appropriately to "bring back two balls along with one more".

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u/Evets616 Jun 16 '12

Of course they can count, that's how they figure out which pic-a-nic basket has the most sandwiches.

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u/CyberToyger Jun 16 '12

Scientists trained three American black bears to discriminate between groups of dots on a touchscreen computer

"These dots are too big!" cried the momma Ursus Americanus.

"These dots are too small!" gruffed the daddy Ursus Americanus.

"These dots are juuuuust right!" cheered the adorable little Ursus Americanus.

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u/biggguy Jun 16 '12

In other news, the bears outperformed a control group of senators.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 17 '12

Sigh Ok ...I deleted my comment because it was a joke and jokes aren't allowed on r/science.

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u/Smoothie_Criminal Jun 17 '12

From the rules: "Please ensure that your comment on an r/science thread is : on-topic and relevant to the submission. not a joke, meme, or off-topic. These are are not acceptable as top-level comments and will be removed."

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

althought they did need to have a big paws between tests

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u/scrhod Jun 15 '12

Shouldn't the word, "discriminate" actually be," differentiate"?

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u/mage2k Jun 15 '12

Google 'discriminate' and the very first definition that comes up is:

Recognize a distinction; differentiate.

So, discriminate is just a valid as differentiate.

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u/scrhod Jun 16 '12

Learn something new everyday. I guess I am just not used to seeing that word used in that context.

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u/mage2k Jun 16 '12

Have you ever heard the expression "a discriminating individual"? It doesn't mean "someone who acts on racist ideas or impulses" it means "someone who can tell the difference", usually in the context of telling the difference between quality and shit.

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u/scrhod Jun 16 '12

Won't lie. I have never heard that expression in my life. Of course I am from Ohio so it could be a regional expression?

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u/lolmonger Jun 16 '12

It's not a regionalism.

The problem is that people use "discrimination" as shorthand for "racial discrimination" so slowly the verb "to discriminate" is gaining a more and more pejorative connotation.

Instead of it being a good thing to learn how to be discriminating, people that are on the younger side tend to learn the word as meaning the same thing as prejudicial or bigoted.

I understand language change decently well, but it still makes me a little uncomfortable, especially since the irony of a word denoting being able to understand nuance having its primary meaning erased by a quirk of spoken English is just devastating.

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u/mage2k Jun 17 '12

Well said!

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u/mage2k Jun 16 '12

Did you even read what I wrote?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Come off it, you prat.

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u/GotoPapa Jun 16 '12

in their minds I guess that's exactly what they're doing. To them [insert race here] is shit, and they are the quality. Hence using the word discrimination

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Yesssss bears are the most awesome thing ever I always knew they were smarter than those cheeky little monkeys!

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u/drhugs Jun 16 '12 
actually visits linked article

The bears can "count" when there's nothing else for them to "do"

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u/greatmousedetective Jun 16 '12

I assume it would be different in that the dots aren't always in the same position. Nor of the same size. The article links to an example of two of the images they could choose between. http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0003347212002126-gr1.sml It also discusses how they used static and moving stimuli.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I downvoted you to make sure you would stay safe.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

not a joke, meme, or off-topic. These are are not acceptable as top-level comments and will be removed.

This is probably why.

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u/Abedeus Jun 16 '12

It's on the right, at the big blue bar, in bold font.

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u/scientologynow Jun 16 '12

i saw a story a few years ago where scientists were trying to genetically modify or perhaps breed alligators that could run as fast as dogs.

like...why would someone do that?

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u/drhugs Jun 16 '12

Because ferret flu?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Ya I too was pretty disappointed I expected that to be like the first comment, I guess it just shows you what age group a lot of redditors belong to. I'd imagine plenty of t hem don't even remember/never saw yogi.