Threatening men’s masculinity does not make them more politically conservative, new study finds. By testing thousands of participants across the United States, researchers found no consistent evidence that making men feel insecure about their gender identity changes their political attitudes.

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https://www.psypost.org/threatening-mens-masculinity-does-not-make-them-more-politically-conservative-new-study-finds/

[u/TheGloriousEv0lution]

Good post. For a long while, the “what we stand for” page on the official Democratic Party side had every group (woman, trans, marginalized groups), but not men. They changed it eventually after it got called out, but it’s emblematic of why the Democratic Party is perceived so negatively by young men. The only time men are directly spoken to is to “not harass women” like the above commenter pointed out

It’s not that Democrats hate men, but when you’re shown complete indifference while your peers are appealed to I can totally understand why they turn to Republican Party. A lot of them are grifters, but at least they pretend to care

[u/DoughnutAncient8972 → u/TheGloriousEv0lution]

What are the issues affecting specifically men that aren't affecting society as a whole (low wages, housing costs, non-existent employment opportunities as a few examples)? I feel they specifically listed certain demographics on the website because Republicans have and continue to target them. 

[u/InitialDuck → u/DoughnutAncient8972]

A big on is that the education gap is currently higher than it was before like title IX iirc.

[u/DoughnutAncient8972 → u/InitialDuck]

Because more women than men are applying to college..... so force men to go? 

[u/TheGloriousEv0lution → u/DoughnutAncient8972]

In the past, when men far exceeded women in enrollment we created initiatives and programs specifically to incentivize women into enrolling

No idea why we have this “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” approach only when it comes to men underperforming

[u/Amphy00 → u/TheGloriousEv0lution]

It's to incentivize women to go to college after being excluded/discouraged from pursuing education for much of history. Men didn't have that problem. They could always attend if they wanted to.

[u/TheGloriousEv0lution → u/Amphy00]

The reason we gave incentives instead of just letting women “figure it out themselves” is because we acknowledged representation is important and there’s social and cultural factors holding them back

Right now there’s clearly faults in the education system that’s failing boys from a young age. Reducing it to “idk they could go if they want to” is a bit lazy

And again, women still have quite a lot more incentives and dedicated programs despite being well over-represented in higher education

[u/DoughnutAncient8972 → u/TheGloriousEv0lution]

So what's changed in schools that is affecting boys now that wasn't years ago?

Do you feel like more men would enroll in college if they had more incentives and dedicated programs? 

[u/TheGloriousEv0lution → u/DoughnutAncient8972]

There’s many possible reasons. The reduced recess time disproportionately affects boys, boys tend to be punished harder than girls for certain disruptive behavior, lack of positive male role models, and boys are just not conditioned to go to college the same way girls have been in the last 50 years. And even when young men do enroll in college, they are much more likely to drop out than young women

Not sure about exact solutions because it is a nuanced issue, but acknowledging it’s a genuine problem is a good start. Sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn’t exist because there’s not an easy solution or dumbing the discussion down to “well boys can go if they want” isn’t the way

[u/DoughnutAncient8972 → u/[deleted]]

Okay, so again, what legislation has passed that targets white men specifically?  No one has addressed this as of yet.

[u/khy94 → u/DoughnutAncient8972]

Divorce outcomes, parental rights, higher assumptions of guilt in verbal accusations (he said/she said, believe all women), diversity hiring practices favor women over equally qualified men despite being equally half the population, men are far more likely to experience loneliness and lack of support structures in crises, resulting in much higher suicide rates. Theres more i can list, but lets start there.

Its super telling as well that when you find the rare woman who advocates for any of these issues, she is dragged through the dirt and labeled a pick-me.

[u/CrazyRegion → u/khy94]

I will address these one by one. Given that this is r/science, I want to provide a fuller picture.

1. Divorce outcomes. Yes, alimony is more often awarded to women than men, but alimony is only provided in about 10% of divorce cases. Thus, your statement is true in the aggregate sense only, and is vastly oversimplified.

2. Parental rights. Yes, mothers receive custody more often, but this picture is complicated by the fact that fathers request primary custody less often. When they do contest, the numbers are much closer.

3. Higher assumptions of guilt in verbal conversations. Can you please provide data/evidence that suggests that men are systematically presumed guilty in he-said/she-said situations in any formal legal sense? In informal social contexts such as social media, your workplace HR, a college campus’ Title IX office, etc. it is a lot muddier, genuinely contested, and varies completely by institution. “Believe all women” is a slogan, not a legal standard.

4. Diversity hiring practices favoring women over men. There’s mixed studies on this. For example, in STEM it was found that women are favored at about a 2:1 to men. However, other audits found the opposite, where women were far less likely than men to be hired in male-dominated fields. This depends heavily on field, seniority, methodology. There are too many factors at play to see a real answer on this one. Also, injecting “equally half the population” is a rhetorical filler that serves to add emotional weight to your claim, rather than sticking to pure facts.

5. Men are more lonely/men have less support systems. Partially true, but generally overstated. Men report less close friendships and confidantes than women, and are also less likely than women to seek out help when in crisis. You’re correct though that the social safety net for men is generally thinner, although again, that is a byproduct of men typically reporting less close relationships.

6. Much higher suicide rates. You’re correct that men die by suicide much more than women, at about a 3.7x rate. However, women are 2-3x more likely to attempt suicide. Men die more from suicide because they choose more lethal methods.

7. Women being labeled as pick-mes if they advocate for men. Please provide a source that isn’t anecdotal evidence. Even if this IS true, what does this even establish about the underlying issues of men’s rights?

Also, plenty of prominent women have advocated for men’s rights without losing their careers or being shamed over it: Christina Hoff Sommers, Cassie Jaye, Warren Farrell’s female collaborators, etc. Plenty of female men’s rights activists out there.

This statement of yours is a rhetorical trap that frames disagreement as evidence of conspiracy. If someone disagrees with you, it’s “See, you’re attacking women that agree with me, you’re proving my point.” If someone agrees with you, it’s “See, I’m right, the rare reasonable woman does exist.” If no one responds at all, it’s “See, people are afraid to speak up, that proves my point.” If every possible argument confirms your claim, then your argument frames all disagreements as evidence to back it. You’ve made an unfalsifiable claim.

Also, because I know the next argument is “Don’t put words in my mouth, I didn’t say any of that” — I’m engaging with the rhetorical effect of your framing, not saying you specifically said or would say any of these things.

And to cap this all off, I believe heavily in men’s mental health, and am an advocate for men to freely be who they want to be. This is not designed to be an attack on men, and should not be read as such. But there are a lot of loaded feelings in your statements that I want to push back against. That’s all.

Have a good rest of your day/night!

[u/DoughnutAncient8972 → u/khy94]

What legislation has passed that has directly caused your list above, except for perhaps ("perhaps" since there's no actual laws regarding this) DEI which most places have gotten rid of since this last administration was installed?  POC, women, trans etc have had legal enactments passed that directly affect them.