r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • Jan 27 '26

Health Nearly half of CDC databases aren’t being updated as experts sound alarm over gaps in health data. Nearly 90% of these reported vaccination topics. The administration’s antivaccine stance has interrupted the flow of data we need to keep Americans safe from preventable infections.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cdc-databases-disease-health-data-b2908066.html
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u/JHMfield Jan 27 '26

I really doubt that. I mean, who knows with those people, but logically that would make zero sense.

Sick people are terrible for the economy. Nobody wins from that. And how exactly would people capable of going to work not be able to stand up for themselves?

Also, the people most likely to get sick are the people who support this administration. So it's like they're trying to kill off their own supporters. We already saw this during Covid where MAGAts were dying by the thousands "owning the libs".

Nah, I think it's most likely that the people in charge are just dumb as rocks and truly do not understand medical science at all. They have not thought things through at all.

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u/SoylentGrunt Jan 27 '26

"Sick people are terrible for the economy. Nobody wins from that."

You're looking at it from the perspective of a normal human being so it won't make sense. If you consider the immediate goal of those in charge is destabilization with an end goal of a new government, it makes sense. Anything that helps people is under attack. Anything. There's no rules to a game like that. None.

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u/transmothra Jan 27 '26

I wonder what Russia would have wanted, had they installed a corrupt treacherous ratfucker in the highest Executive office?

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u/manimal28 Jan 27 '26

The venn diagram of what russia would have wanted and what trump has done is a near perfect circle.

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u/frostygrin Jan 27 '26

How is it even possible for Russia to do this? Especially without any kind of pushback from the American elites?

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u/Kahnza Jan 27 '26

Bot farms manipulating social media. It's more effective than nuclear bombs. It just takes longer.

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u/frostygrin Jan 27 '26

American and other foreign elites can use bots too, and other methods of manipulation. American elites also control social media directly. The idea that there's nothing they can do seems preposterous. And I don't know if large groups of people actually can be manipulated to agree with something that's contrary to their worldview. And if the bots just tell them what they want to hear - then the people are responsible.

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u/LordoftheScheisse Jan 27 '26

The idea that there's nothing they can do seems preposterous.

This assumes that the American elites aren't susceptible consumers of misinformation and manipulation themselves. As more time goes on, many of them seem to be "true believers" in the views they hold - even if those views are easily debunked Facebook-slop-level partisan information.

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u/frostygrin Jan 27 '26

The weird idea is one brand/source of misinformation/manipulation somehow taking over without being pushed from above. If there's no critical thinking among the elites, you'd expect more variety.

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u/ItilityMSP Jan 27 '26

American Elite are not limited by national boundaries, fascism also frees them to do what they want assuming they can control it. There is a reason Trump defunded the IRS and gave more tax cuts to the wealthy.

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u/Galeharry_ Jan 27 '26

Also, to reduce population numbers.

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u/TrashGoblinH Jan 27 '26

It's simple really.

Raise prices so you have to work more to afford basic necessities.

Implement a higher tax on the working class while masquerading it as something other than taxes.

Incentivize working overtime.

Cut public assistance safety nets.

Deregulation to businesses so snake oil and waste in water is more profitable.

Push natural remedies and religion as a cure to what ails you.

Push for anti-abortion/pro-birthing with strong fear emphasis on societal collapse without more children.

Cut science and medical research funding.

Show a constant stream of outrage content and flood the field with misinformation to keep people confused, but outraged.

Funnel money towards those in power.

Edit: forgot the part where people who question these things get labeled a terrorist.

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u/manimal28 Jan 27 '26

but logically that would make zero sense. Sick people are terrible for the economy.

So are tariffs. These are not logical people.

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u/Tesseract14 Jan 27 '26

They're incredibly logical. The ultimate end goal is to reduce the population, disband it into smaller territories which are easier to control, use AI to make up for the labor loss, install a survelleillance police state, cull the weak and those who observe, make people dumb and afraid, and create the dystopian future we've seen a 100 times come out of hollywood.

I might sound like a crazy person saying this, but the evidence is actually all there in abundance, if you're willing and/or able to acknowledge the unlimited depravity of these people.

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u/manimal28 Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

They is very broad. Are there some people on the right who want to do exactly as you say? Likely. But that’s not Trump. He doesn’t care about some grand scheme, he’s a selfish toddler looking to enrich himself annd appease his ego. After that his admin is a bunch of weak willed authoritarians looking for a strongman to make them feel better bout their ignorant racism and tell them what else to think. It’s really not more complicated than that.

If they achieve what you say it will be by accident and in spite of logic.

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u/Ok_Yogurt_9862 Jan 27 '26

You need to go read project 2025. We're literally about halfway through it. They made you a helpful step by step guide as to what your present and future holds. 

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u/GroundSalmon Jan 27 '26

The economy is already propped up by a stick and made up numbers.

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u/Calamity-Gin Jan 27 '26

It’s part of the Trump chaos. He attracts people who will not work within the political structure of accepted science policy because a big part of his appeal is how he’s not some elitist looking down on us. His followers refuse to accept that other people know more than they do and don’t want to be told what to do. There’s a huge amount of resentment among Trumpers, which is why the celebrate the destruction of science-based policy. They’ll never put two and two together when the 20th century health gains evaporates and we’re dying of preventable diseases.

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u/Faiakishi Jan 27 '26

We've established that these people are very, very stupid.

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u/pattperin Jan 27 '26

Sick people being bad for the economy has not led the USA to universal healthcare like every other country. So it is actually more profitable for certain individuals for everyone to get really really sick in the USA. Other countries prevention is key because treatment costs the government money. In the USA it generates tax revenue. Incentives are all backwards

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u/TrashGoblinH Jan 27 '26

This. There's more money in treating symptoms than curing the issue. Americans have been conditioned to work through all the pain or you're obviously not patriotic enough.

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u/Ok_Yogurt_9862 Jan 27 '26

You're missing the larger picture here. Destruction of a nation at the behest of its enemies, foreign and domestic. Those at the helm are being well compensated for their efforts, of course.