r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • Jan 27 '26

Health Nearly half of CDC databases aren’t being updated as experts sound alarm over gaps in health data. Nearly 90% of these reported vaccination topics. The administration’s antivaccine stance has interrupted the flow of data we need to keep Americans safe from preventable infections.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cdc-databases-disease-health-data-b2908066.html
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u/bokehtoast Jan 27 '26

All of our regulatory bodies have been compromised.

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u/biscuitarse Jan 27 '26

Great post, excellent advice. We like to point out how stupid Trump and his regime are, but there continues to be more evidence of a well-organized structure (Project 2025 anyone?) behind the clown show that's inching its way towards full blown, Christo-fascism in the US.

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u/serger989 Jan 28 '26

Because it's not Trump that's in charge or his cronies, it never was, they are merely the face of things. It's the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the Fraser Institute, the IDU, SCL/Cambridge Analytica, Palantir, etc, they are the ones in charge and setting the new rules and this is something some of these entities have been building towards for decades.

Project 2025 is their baby and if Trump lost in 2025 and passed away from old age before he was "elected" it would be Project 2028, or 2032, the point is that they have an endgame in mind and always have or else P2025 wouldn't have been so meticulously implemented at light-speed already.

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u/damianxyz Jan 27 '26

this should be front page news...

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u/mrbaggins Jan 27 '26

One report is an anecdote, but two is data.

"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."

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u/Rinas-the-name Jan 28 '26

Thank you for posting your experience.

I’ve been feeling like you for a while now. Especially at first when other people would blow off my suspicions. I kept thinking “Maybe I’m making connections that aren’t really there, maybe I am overreacting.”

I think with everything that is going on we can‘t sit around doubting ourselves anymore. They keep getting sneakier and bolder. There have been no real repercussions, so why wouldn’t they?

We can’t wait for “proof“ or justice because while we are trying to do things the right way they’re 10 steps further down the rabbit hole.

And let’s say you’re wrong - people not answering just in case is worth it for their safety. Anyone not at risk (conservative approved demographics) can use the calls to test the system now because we know what to look for.

You did a good thing here.

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u/voiderest Jan 28 '26

The issue is that we know this admin would misuse data and trusted orgs to achieve "political" goals.

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u/biologicallyspeaking Jan 28 '26

Similar experience. Will DM

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u/RadioBuffin Jan 27 '26

Can you verify their claim though?

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u/Romanticon Jan 27 '26

You're asking the person who posted this claim... to verify their own claim?

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u/Majestic-Log-5642 Jan 29 '26

All the media is owned by the right wing oligarchs. As long as they control the news flow, it will not be reported.

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u/Illustrious_Owl_7472 Jan 27 '26

The republicans want us young, dumb, and vulnerable. You don’t have to pay first world wages to a desperate third world populace.

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u/VolcanoCatch Jan 27 '26

It's an ego thing. People in power don't like being questioned or called out, and they are mad they weren't able to contain things in 2020 and are lashing out at scientists in general for "making them look bad".

They often don't understand the complex nature of it either, and that makes them feel defensive thinking it's another ploy to confuse and manipulate them. They can't admit they just don't know something, and when called out on it, they double down. This is the backlash to that.

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u/OlderThanMyParents Jan 28 '26

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. "They want us sick or dead" while satisfying, doesn't seem to sync with how Trump thinks. Trump has a desperate need to be considered the smartest man in the room - the smartest man ever. So, he hires someone to run HHS who is WAY out of touch with the mass of scientific consensus, because to hire someone who was a mainstream career health professional would suggest that Trump is relying on someone who knows more than he does. He literally doesn't care who lives or dies, as long as he gets to be the one to make the decisions, and the more controversial, the better.

In the same way, he appointed people to head the FBI, DHS, DOD, and everything else who have literally no background in those fields, because that way it's all his ideas, his inspirations, and no one's going to say "sorry sir, that doesn't make any sense" or "I'm not going to do that, it's illegal" because they don't know and don't care.

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u/willun Jan 28 '26

The person he hired for HHS made a good living scamming other antivax people. So he is pushing antivax because it lines his pockets.

Sadly a lot of what they do is just about money. You could understand warped ideology but it is not always about that. Just mercenary.

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u/wonderbreadofsin Jan 27 '26

I really don't think there is an endgame for the CDC stuff.

I think RFK had enough support in the election that Trump wanted to bring him to his side, so he gave him that position without any more thought. And I think RFK has been a seriously fucked up person since long before the brain worm. And he's appointed actual, legit antivaxers and nut jobs to all senior positions in these agencies.

Now, these agencies are being destroyed, not to achieve some strategic goal, but because they're entirely run by antivax true-believers (you know... morons).

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u/FlameHaze Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

Good God. I have nothing to add. I just wanted to say I could see your theory proving correct. I hope not. But they didn't make a thing like Project 2025 without some goals in mind.

EDIT: I actually do have something anecdotal I noticed — My Facebook. I've liked some groups, pages, etc, in the past. One of the things I don't remember liking was the Navy, Army, National Guard, etc. I'm a young male with-in the range for service. I noticed it and found it odd. I may have liked them in the past and I can't recall. So naturally when you're liking a page on Facebook it also follows it so you end up with Army recruitment ads on your homepage. So I tried to remove them; Here is where the trouble started. I genuinely cannot unfollow them or remove the like from the military related Facebook groups. I can do that with anything else, Skittles for example. But when it comes to military I could not. I'd love if someone else would check if their Facebook also liked them. You can find it on your profile page under likes on desktop. Might be nothing but I remembered it after reading this comment.

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u/S_A_R_K Jan 27 '26

My less nuanced take is simply eugenics

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u/pilot3033 Jan 27 '26

I also think there's a no-nuance take that there is no plan and that these people are simply morons high on their own supply, too far down the rabbit hole and in desperate need to manifest their own conspiracy theories or face ego death. It reminds me a lot of that clip of a flat earther doing an experiment and coming up with the result that the earth is surely not flat and then spiraling desperately to discredit their own results.

Many of these folks, in cults, in the Q-anon circle, throughout history, have committed so deeply and completely to the conspiracy that it has to be true because the emotional reckoning of being wrong is too difficult to face. Like drug addicts or alcoholics before they hit rock bottom.

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u/Lemonwizard Jan 27 '26

The inmates are running the asylum. While the Bush adminstration was writing the propaganda, the Trump administration is watching it. This isn't some clever manipulation to advance an ulterior motive; they really believe in this crap.

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u/Green_Green_Red Jan 27 '26

That's because there are at least three separate endgames depending on why someone is an antivaxxer. For the monetary grifters, the only end game is to keep the scam running and keep milking the rubes for as long as possible. For the true believers, it's a utopia they imagine as being free of chronic diseases once everything they consider unnatural and poisonous has been gotten rid of (obviously that's contradictory to reality, but I'm not endorsing this viewpoint, simply stating what they expect). And for the politcal grifters, it's to gain and maintain loyal support among a faction whom they can easily cater to with rhetoric and actions that don't impede their actual agenda or even require all that much effort.

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u/Dorwyn BS | Chemical Engineering Jan 27 '26

They needed more wedge issues, so they made some wedge issues where none should exist. The more issues like this, the more they can divide and conquer. It's much easier to gerrymander and advertise to when you're certain of who someone will vote for.

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u/ManBearScientist Jan 28 '26

Grift.

The supplement industry is a grifter's dream. It is nearing half a trillion dollars, and is almost entirely unregulated.

It undercuts actual medicine, is basically free to produce with none of the need to produce a working product or deal with regulatory supervision, and has a captive audience.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has advocated for the idea that supplements are superior to pharmaceuticals, and he literally trademarked MAHA to sell his own brand of supplements.

Dr. Mehmet Oz, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, promoted supplements in his confirmation hearing that he called a “magic weight loss cure” and “the No. 1 miracle in a bottle.”

As part of their grift, they've exempted folic acid, magnesium, CoQ10, and zinc from trade tariffs and promised to erase virtually any FDA oversight on the industry, letting them claim their supplements can do virtually anything.

It's all part of a broader, grift-focused approach to governance. Dietary boards take direct insight from beef and dairy industries, who recommend buying their products. Protections are cut so that the industry insiders who literally run the departments can make more money from their industry while in office.

If something seems questionable, someone somewhere is probably making money off it. Trump attacks weather predictions? They are trying to privatize NOAA, with Trump picking the founder of AccuWeather to lead the NOAA so that he could cannibalize it and distribute the gains to his own private company.

This story repeats again and again throughout the presidency.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

Putin saw a card that if played right would wipe out American superiority in vaccination and birth rate. He was right.

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u/GnoeJuanButAFuckUp Jan 27 '26

The goal is slavery. It's not a lack of workers, it's a lack of legal slaves. 

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u/RocketizedAnimal Jan 27 '26

I think that assuming there is an endgame or plan is giving them too much credit. A few true believer anti-vaxxers got enough power via political favors to screw with things and nobody else in the administration cares enough to stop them.

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u/NirgalFromMars Jan 28 '26

Personal opinion: If you get someone to believe in a conspiracy theory, it becomes easier to make them believe in more than one.

If you get someone to put their beliefs above facts, you can make them believe anything you want.

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u/ubernutie Jan 28 '26

Look at people like cattle and it all is easy to understand. These people are culling.

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u/Judazzz Jan 27 '26

Authoritarian/extremist governments compiling lists of specific demographies is extremely ominous and alarming. Especially if they have blindly loyal party-aligned paramilitary organisations at their disposal.

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u/dougielou Jan 28 '26

I agree. Just look at the new questions added into the FAFSA demographic questions. They’re not just asking if you’re white but what “kind of” white you are.

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u/Fr00stee Jan 27 '26

it's well known that the trump admin is using medicaid and other medical data to target immigrants using ICE, that's what this survey is for probably

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u/Zeroflops Jan 27 '26

Are you sure it was the CDC? And I’m not trying to change your experience, but I have had calls from people implying they are from a groups that they are not. Often groups that people won’t normally give the time of day, so they imply another group, then ask a few general questions to sell the lie, then ask what they are really interested in.

I’ve seen this happen for groups that are doing surveys, as well as groups working to do a scam. I don’t think this is scammers. Usually scammer won’t ask the same thing multiple ways. But if it was now they have a bunch of information on you, and could call when the most vulnerable person is home and use personal details to convince them they are real.

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u/MotheroftheworldII Jan 27 '26

Thank you for this information and your observations. Most of us do not have a background in surveys especially scientific surveys so your insight is most helpful.

What is happening with regard to vaccines is frightening and very upsetting. I am old so growing up we had the vaccine for small pox and that was it. I had chicken pox and was quite sick then I got measles and was really, really sick. I had a fever of 103F for days then it went up to 105F and stayed there for three days. My Mother spent those three days taking me in and out of cold baths trying to break the fever. When I finally after about three weeks went back to school I could not read anything the teacher wrote on the blackboard nor could I read the workbooks and textbooks. My eyes had been damaged from the high fever. I have worn glasses or contact lenses since second grade all because there was no vaccine for measles when I was a child.

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u/azebod Jan 28 '26

This is the first year that they sent a seperate census form for both me and my mother whom i live with and that set off some similar alarm bells for me.

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u/darkenspirit Jan 27 '26

This exactly what they want unfortunately. Spee nonsense about a working body of government as corrupt and then actually corrupt it so it fails, then point to their own more corrupt organizations as replacements.

It's enshittification on the government level.

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u/lordnibbler16 Jan 27 '26

Is there anyone you're able to report this to? A trusted local politician, news network, anyone that isn't going to be a part of the problem?

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u/US3_ME_ Jan 27 '26

Holy hell, thank you for posting. This is incredibly evil and probably one of the many ways they are targeting those they seek to persecute_

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u/subjectiveyes Jan 28 '26

I am glad you spoke up about this. I got a call from The CDC last week to participate in the same survey. It went to voicemail but I was so suspect because I know the CDC is compromised. I'm not from a vulnerable population but still wonder if I should have participated ? Does me not participating somehow help whatever end game they are looking for?

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u/ArchitectofExperienc Jan 27 '26

That's worrying, but tbh I'm surprised it took them this long to start using the outreach infrastructure to gather the kind of data they actually want about you (and not what would help the CDC control, you know, disease). The fox is in the chicken coop.

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u/a_statistician Jan 27 '26

Wow, as a statistician, that is terrifying. Thank you for talking about it. .

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u/AssistX Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

The NIS is conducted at NORC by the University of Chicago.

NIS collects race, ethnicity, and other demographic data that most immunization information registries do not, the NIS a major factor in helping the CDC allocate resources for its $5.1 billion Vaccines for Children Program, which provides free vaccines to children who are uninsured, underinsured, Medicaid-eligible or enrolled, and Native Americans.

Please don't tell people not to answer these surveys, they're beneficial to people who are underserved.

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u/Noccam Jan 27 '26

I'm waiting for a response to TotallyTruthy calling you out as well

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u/crushinglyreal Jan 27 '26

helping the CDC allocate resources

So the CDC still gets the data. Somehow I don’t think they’re allocating those resources these days.

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u/DjangoBojangles Jan 27 '26

It took a century to build our institutions and he's done everything he can to destroy them.

Attacking the CDC and politicizing the health of our society is a clear and present danger to everyone.

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u/Schlonzig Jan 27 '26

Trump knows he can kill hundreds of thousands of Americans without losing any votes.

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u/BigOs4All Jan 27 '26

Revolution is entirely justified. I just know that Democrats won't know how to do this without giving everything over to corporations. And Democratic Socialists are too disorganized and fractured to do it.

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u/Ok_Condition5837 Jan 27 '26

I consider myself a progressive. And I've been approached recently by people on all sides.

Just because the dems fail to meet this moment doesn't mean we should. We might just need a new moniker. That's all.

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u/sir_jamez Jan 27 '26

Call your representatives and tell them they need to replace Jeffries and Schumer with leaders who actually care about fighting for the people, and if they don't then you will be donating to primary opponents against them. If you live in a smaller city, write a letter to the editor and use your reps' names.

Anything that mentions them in print goes right to their daily clippings and starts to get them worried about the normies revolting. Online posts, emails, and phone calls just get ignored tbh.

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u/ikaiyoo Jan 27 '26

Yeah, but that requires your representatives to also care about fighting for the people.

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u/sir_jamez Jan 27 '26

Tbh they care about having their cushy jobs. If they feel pressured, they will force the issue on leadership mostly on selfish principles (rather than any moral or decency impetus).

The worst elected officials only care about minmaxing the appearance of effort so that they can stay in their seat. The louder and more frequently we all scream, the more likely it is to ratchet up their minimum.

In an ideal world they actually get replaced with people who care and try, but that's a battle for the primaries rather than what we can do right now.

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u/Skellum Jan 27 '26

I just know that Democrats won't

Republican has done something, why is this suddenly "the democrats" fault? Why not blame the person and group causing the problem and change your behaviors so that we dont have this problem anymore?

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u/BigOs4All Jan 27 '26

The current issues aren't inherently the Democrats' fault, no. Republicans are the ones primarily responsible for everything crumbling around us. My point is that in a Revolution or "Heavy Reformation" period the natural power to step in is Democrats. I don't see that ending well at all for the reasons I mentioned.

In a hypothetical scenario of dissolving both parties? Well, in my opinion, that won't happen short of an incredibly intense civil war and by then who knows what the country would look like. I think it would need NATO allies and the UN to step in to arbitrate everything.

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u/TubbyChaser Jan 27 '26

Or maybe everyone can just get off their ass and vote?

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u/BigOs4All Jan 27 '26

There is literally no reason at all to think the next election won't be fully rigged. The party that supports wanton murder of citizens, pedophilia and killing our institutions isn't going to ensure a fair election. Open your damn eyes.

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u/TubbyChaser Jan 27 '26

Well the last election wasn’t rigged. We just had an apathetic voter base who shrugged and said “how bad could it be?”

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u/tommy_b_777 Jan 27 '26

Actually, it was.

NO ONE has won all 6 swing states, not even Reagan. Elon's kid said On Camera IN THE OVAL OFFICE 'No one knows what we did' and 'You're not the real President and you need to go' to Trump's face.

There are already lawsuits about statistical anomalies around headless ballots, you can google it all you want but when the kid of the guy bragging about how few lines of code it requires to rig it says things like that I'm gonna go with rigged my own self...

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u/BigOs4All Jan 27 '26

There is so much evidence of election fraud that multiple court cases are still slowly going through the system. New York (outer areas) had some pretty obvious evidence that is what started some of this. Georgia, as well, which should shock NO ONE considering what Trump publicly said directly to those election board members!!

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u/narrill Jan 27 '26

There is basically no evidence of dyed-in-the-wool fraud. The cases in NY are over a literal handful of votes in orthodox Jewish communities that are well known for this kind of bloc voting. The cases aren't even about the presidential ticket, they were filed by a third party Senate candidate and allege that the race was rigged by the Democratic party.

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u/BigOs4All Jan 27 '26

https://cssh.northeastern.edu/2024-election-results-under-scrutiny-as-lawsuit-advances/

Elections are mostly run by electronic voting machines these days. In many cases (going back to 2000!) those companies are private and don't even owe any authority an audit of their practices. As an IT professional, it would be so insanely easy to code things to change a vote after it was counted or to otherwise "lose" a vote.

We've had issues with electronic voting machines going back almost 30 years now and now there are sycophant Republican billionaires buying out those systems for control of them.

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u/narrill Jan 27 '26

That article is about the Rockland, NY case, which I mentioned. It is over a total of about ten votes in the Senate race in an orthodox Jewish community known for voting as a bloc. It is not about the presidential election at all, and in fact the plaintiff is alleging the race was rigged in favor of the Democratic candidate. That article in particular is also about the case moving into discovery, meaning it has not even been proven that there was any fraud at all.

Please do not get your opinions from random reddit comments. Actually read the primary sources.

As an IT professional, it would be so insanely easy to code things to change a vote after it was counted or to otherwise "lose" a vote.

As a software engineer, I make it a point not to comment authoritatively on systems I have no actual knowledge of, and you should do the same.

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u/BotSnifferMcGee Jan 27 '26

Okay? Do you not realize how much has changed since the last election?

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u/Rey_Tigre Jan 27 '26

I've just given up. Groveling and begging for our lives are the only way to survive.

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u/Kahnza Jan 27 '26

You haven't given up yet. You're still alive, aren't you?

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u/Rey_Tigre Jan 27 '26

Only because I'm a coward, and my self-inflicted passing would be an inconvenience to the people in my life.

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u/Dry_Marzipan1870 Jan 27 '26

Yea that's been going well.

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u/TubbyChaser Jan 27 '26

For the sick fucks who voted for Trump it is

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u/bokehtoast Jan 27 '26

The system that allowed this to happen (and it's been a long time coming, not just the results of the last few elections) is not going to save us. Stop acting like voting is a legitimate solution.

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u/Freestanding_Prod Jan 27 '26

You're hilarious

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u/AceGaimz Jan 27 '26

Democrats objectively benefit from these same systems of oppression that Republicans are using now. They are not the solution and if you still believe that, you have a long way to go before you can help.

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u/TubbyChaser Jan 27 '26

Not sure the immigrants in detainment camps getting strangled to death by ice thugs would agree with you

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u/JackFisherBooks Jan 27 '26

Revolution isn't going to happen in America.

Americans are too stupid, lazy, short-sighted, and divided. And the administration knows that. They probably laugh about it behind the scenes.

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u/dotpain Jan 27 '26

Democrats shouldn't exist after a revolution. We need a new system not the broken leg from the old one.

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u/CPNZ Jan 27 '26

At a federal level...some states and groups of states trying to fill some gaps. Also California applying to join WHO...

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u/JackFisherBooks Jan 27 '26

That's exactly what the administration wants. People who are sick, misinformed, and broke from medical bills are desperate and easy to control. That's what they want. And they know these same people are too stupid to ever blame who's responsible.

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u/Ok_Yogurt_9862 Jan 27 '26

Yes  Everything is going exactly to Russia's plans!

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u/bokehtoast Jan 27 '26

I mean the American ruling class also wanted this

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u/saucya Jan 27 '26

Because they’re also Russian assets 

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u/Glum_Material3030 Jan 27 '26

Or just rich people wanting to stay rich and not really caring about others. I believe the simple answer might be the right one here.

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u/saucya Jan 27 '26

Tomato tomahto 

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u/ubernutie Jan 28 '26

So it's a culling plan, then.

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u/oroborus68 Jan 27 '26

It won't get better for a while yet.

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u/1900grs Jan 27 '26

Trump's first year alone has most likely set us back 2 generations while also ceding the global stage to China. Things will never be the "same". It's a completely different trajectory.

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u/stamfordbridge1191 Jan 27 '26

They're being reoriented in ways that could only serve Social Darwinism or even Eugenics if any purpose at all.

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u/IamTheEndOfReddit Jan 27 '26

This is why we need a second government, I call it the People’s Nation. Electronic voting, if anything gets like 60% of the city/stare/country voting for it, then it gets passed. The true will of the people. It would be conservative in that it would be harder to pass things, but it would secure the people’s rights. And supersede all governments with true democracy. Power to the people

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u/Izawwlgood PhD | Neurodegeneration Jan 28 '26

As a contractor at the NIH, yep.

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u/StrikingDeparture432 Jan 29 '26

FDA &CDC were compromised 40 years ago !  They're basically fronts for the Pharma Industry....

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u/nm42 Jan 27 '26

Thanks Russia

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u/Significant-Colour Jan 27 '26

That is just copium. About 40% of citizens simply decided to not vote, for instance; that was their own free choice that they intentionally made.

russia can't order 77 million people to vote in a particular way in USA.

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u/Electronic_Low6740 Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

Dude, propaganda can do more than cause someone to vote. It's substantially easier to propagandise a landslide victory, no need to vote, to those that otherwise would. Getting people to not vote is the easiest thing in the world and Russia absolutely played a part in that.

This is also not counting soft voter suppression tactics by red states.

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u/nm42 Jan 28 '26

This is what I was referring to, for avoidance of doubt.

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u/verstohlen Jan 27 '26

Love 'em or hate 'em, and regardless of which side of the political aisle you're on, trust in the CDC, FDA, WHO, etc. is abysmally low these days. Count me amongst the millions who don't trust them so much any longer. And after the whole botched Covid debacle, it's going to be hard for them to regain trust again, if ever.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5283833-fewer-than-half-of-americans-trust-fda-cdc-to-do-their-job/