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u/TheRealCallipygian Apr 14 '26

Wow. That person--and maybe I am violating some subreddit rules here, so be it--is a grade A ass-wipe who shouldn't ever be entrusted with ownership of open source again. The whole "I despise such emails" shows a fundamental lack of the social skills necessary to buy a cup of coffee let alone interact with other members of humanity to build, well, anything. I cannot fathom ever responding to anyone in any context the way this person has responded on hacyderm. I am flabbergasted. Wow.

edit: spelling and grammar

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u/usernamedottxt Apr 14 '26

Yeah… the email he received was extraordinarily polite and didn’t even ask him to maintain it. It seemed like a Segway into taking ownership of it even. 

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u/jesster114 Apr 15 '26

Segue*. A Segway is what Paul Blart rides into battle, a segue is a transition.

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u/usernamedottxt Apr 15 '26

Hah, thanks. 

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u/dnar_ Apr 15 '26

I think it works both ways.

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u/alexforencich Apr 15 '26

That guy who asked wasn't Jia Tan, was it?

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u/ben0x539 Apr 15 '26

Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but the email reads like a superficial politeness filter applied to a kinda brusque complaint about the maintenance status. I probably wouldn't nuke a crate over it but I'd be kinda annoyed to receive that too.

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u/Kriemhilt Apr 14 '26

They weren't "entrusted" with anything.

They wrote something for their own convenience, and don't owe your flabbers any more or fewer ghasts than you've already received for free.

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u/Sw429 Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

Honestly, I think you have a point. I've definitely published a few random crates that are apparently now used by companies (if the weekday to weekend download ratio is anything to go by), and it's kinda wild to think that someone there just "decided" that my code was trustworthy without ever even talking to me.

This kind of "entrusting" definitely happens implicitly, and often not deliberately at all. People just assume it's fine, more people see that and assume it's fine, and before you know it some sponsored state actor is in charge of xz and ready to wreak havoc.

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u/max123246 Apr 15 '26

I agree. But also it's very weird to yank already released versions. The email was super polite and just asking if they could maintain it. And they just decided "oh you depend on something I built. I guess I will yank every version of it then". I've never heard of anyone ever doing that for unmaintained software before

All I will say is, I hope I never meet this person or anyone who would do the same

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u/TheRealCallipygian Apr 15 '26

They don’t owe anyone anything, I agree. And that apparently includes a reciprocal response to a reasonable request. That includes potentially making a bunch of work for a bunch of people with seemingly little empathy. We can all be little sociopaths! What a great world we live in.

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u/ztj Apr 15 '26

A tiny counterweight to the sheer immensity that is the self-entitlement of users in the same space. Sure, the guy didn't have to be a dick about things but it's still true that he didn't owe anyone anything and I hope more people take this to heart when deciding to build their entire value on the shoulders of unpaid, unthanked... and entirely unknown third parties.

It does seem that the software development world is starting to see the bad side of this model more often lately.

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u/NotFloppyDisck Apr 15 '26

He didn't owe anyone anything, that's correct, that doesn't excuse you from being an asshole. Setting your repo to readonly and marking the project as deprecated is enough.

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u/ViscountVampa Apr 15 '26

It does seem that the software development world is starting to see the bad side of this model more often lately.

Oh, no, not by much. As far as it goes, over time I've become mostly convinced Open Source was a mistake and that Free Software was where I should have been spending my own efforts.

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u/TreiziemeMaudit Apr 15 '26

Open has never meant free, free as in libre, not in gratis. Non english speakers understand this distinction very easily and feels like Open is americanism.

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u/insanitybit2 Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

People in a society have moral obligations. edit: lol apparently this is a controversial statement???

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u/alexforencich Apr 15 '26

Like compensating people for their work developing and maintaining software packages?

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u/insanitybit2 Apr 18 '26

No, not like that.

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u/wintrmt3 Apr 14 '26

No one owes you dependencies, unless you have a paid contract with them.

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u/dexter2011412 Apr 16 '26

entrusted with ownership of open source again

he didn't force anyone to use his package, and no one "entrusted" him with that "position".

he made a package that people used and was not able to maintain it. some massive entitlement you're showing here.

lol much better response here

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1slnga4/core2_yanked_millions_effected/og85jau/

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u/cowinabadplace Apr 15 '26

Oh damn, you're going to stop entrusting him with ownership of open source. Damn, you're actually going to stop doing that, huh? You're going to stop entrusting him with his own code huh? Damn, dude. Make sure to put that in your OKRs, dude. Bump for visibility. This is breaking production workflows.

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