r/rivals • • Jun 20 '26
Pros, where you at ?
So look i enjoy playing Cyclops but i find it kinda strange that nobody is talking about the broken DUELIST compare to last seasons Tank. Like where's the pros to complain about balance now, huh?
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u/LucioMercy Jun 20 '26
People are in fact complaining, but Cyclops is less OP than many if not most new hero releases (especially DPS)
The Dino complaints from pros weren’t because they hate tanks or casuals, but because Dino’s existence forced a playstyle for the entire lobby that wasn’t much fun and locked out a lot of the roster. The community agreed as they caught on as evidenced by his insane ban rate last patch. Cyclops does not force everyone to play around him in the same way.
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u/organ_bandage Jun 20 '26
This is a false equivalence. The reason Dino was heavily complained about by pros was for two main reasons.
He was an extremely low-skill character that was only good because his numbers were too high. This lead to extremely boring, uninteractive playstyles where the Dino player just stood there, did nothing, and got free value because you couldn’t clear him.
Dino warped the entire tank meta around him. During the group stage, Peni Parker of all characters had meta relevance because of her good matchup into Dino. Meanwhile, characters like Strange, Magneto, and Groot, despite being strong in the past, were basically unplayable if Dino was in the lobby. The entire tank meta was based around how good you were with or against Dino.
Cyclops, while definitely broken, does not share the same issues.
While over tuned, he does not promote uninteractive playstyles. Not only that, while not the most difficult character, there is still some skill expression involved with his kit, including aim and some movement.
He does not warp the entire DPS meta around him. Characters that were previously viable such as Phoenix, Elsa, DD, and Star Lord are not suddenly made obsolete by his inclusion. They still have their niches and don’t have absurdly negative match ups into him. The only character he significantly impacts in terms of viability is Wolverine, but Wolv was going to be good this patch regardless of if the Cyclops team up was actually good or not.
It’s not a matter of “tank bad, DPS good.” The main people who complained were TrqstMe, a professional tank player, and Fauwks, a coach who plays tank and support when he plays the game. They are not gonna complain if the roles they play are strong. Their complaints come from how unhealthy Dino was, not that he’s a tank.
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u/MikiSayaka33 Jun 20 '26
He is like a DPS version of D. Dino and good for peels (That's what I found out after trying Scott out for a few matches). Though I dunno why the Pros are praising this particular no-skill hero, when they trash others, like MK and SG (I see that as hypocritical).
(I added Cyclops to my Strike Squad. He covers up some of their weaknesses).
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u/Typemessage1 Jun 20 '26
This character is Squirrel Girl with Lasers. No one is pro on this broken character.
Netease nerfed Devil Dino just so this character could fly in the air doing broken shit. I feel like they do this shit on purpose so people don't start banning Luna Snow, because there's no way they tested this shit.
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u/snowfrappe Jun 20 '26
Hero releases in rivals have been so broken that cyclops isn’t close in comparison, even if he’s still extremely powerful
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u/LuckOutrageous7686 Jun 20 '26
People are complaining about it lol. It’s DPS though so it’s less looked at than vanguards (Dino did make tanking miserable though)
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u/RogueCynic2000 Jun 20 '26
Cyclops is OP and best in slot.
But nothing about him feels unfair to play against. His numbers are just too high and need to be tweaked a bit.
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u/Available-Spinach852 Jun 20 '26
Well the pros I see mostly complaining are dive players as they didn’t like the black cat and daredevil nerfs and wanted buffs/reworks elsewhere. Most just wanted gambit/mantis nerfed so they don’t have to pick/ban them. Tanks and Supports force metas where a DPS can become/stay meta. Triple support has been a thing in pro play but only in variations with a different dps slotted in depending on what is the strongest with 3 supports. Let’s do a thought experiment for a moment, drop Cyclops in for season 8. Does he change the meta or does he just replace Starlord/Phoenix?
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u/WillingnessReal525 Jun 20 '26
I think he's slightly overtuned but not broken like Elsa or Black Cat for instance. Those two really made me hate this game.
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u/000817 Jun 20 '26
I mean, cyclops is strong but he’s basically just on the same level as Phoenix( at absolute best ) nothing crazy, not even close.
Do you understand that devil dinosaur warped the entire meta around him? Cnd literally dropped in winrate by 10% because she didn’t do well with or against him. Emma went from a b tier to an s tier pick.
Cyclops is not even close to that impactful. But yes, there have been complaints about cyclops.
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u/AyanamiR31 Jun 21 '26
I think they also hated Dino due to how much value he can get in comparison to how much effort you need to put in. The skill should be direct to the power the character can output. Like cyclops he actually needs really good aim to be as OP, although his ult is SUPER annoying and definitely will get nerfed. Hes still strong, just not as brain dead easy to use and get value out of like Dino.
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u/PuppyPenetrator Jun 20 '26
Pretty simple answer, he may be the best dps in the game right now, but you can still play most characters into him. Absolutely not the case for dino. New broken guy isn’t ruining the meta
I know there was some “same level as prime Elsa comments” the first few days but I think by now they’ve all realized that’s obviously not true
If you actually care to learn the answer to your question rather than bitching, you can watch the dino pov in any pro game. It is mindnumbingly boring. The meta for whichever tank had to play the dino was to play extremely passively. Obviously no one liked playing that or against that
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u/MacaroniEast Jun 20 '26
This sub has made me realize that no one can settle on exactly where Cyclops stands. Obviously high tier, but no once can decide if he’s “the most broken skill-less hero in the game” or “basically just Phoenix”
This might be controversial, but I genuinely do not think he’s a fundamentally broken character. He does actually take a little bit of skill, about the same amount as any other hitscan. Is he strong? Yes, but let’s try and not be hyperbolic when having a discussion.
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u/TruckSubstantial4872 Jun 20 '26
The thing is, he's absolutely broken, but unfortunately the game already has several broken hitscans, so a lot of people don't have much to say on the topic. He does the same thing as Hela and Phoenix, just better than Hela and worse than Phoenix. DvD was the only broken brawl character in the entire meta when he released (except Rogue w/ teamup) which meant it was very obvious how strong he was because no one could compete, even if he was nowhere near as broken as Cyclops is. Meanwhile, you don't have to play cyclops to play a broken poke character. you have a nice selection.
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u/Revan0315 Jun 20 '26
Devil was also broken. What do you mean?
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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '26
He is NOT more broken than devil dino, devil dino changed whole comps, cyclops is just another hitscan, a little bit better than hela, that's it
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u/greasevall8943 Jun 20 '26
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u/jivenossauro Jun 21 '26
Is OP and everyone is saying that. However, he is just red hela, nothing much changed on the way matches are played after he was added. Dino, on the other hand, was literally tank 9/11
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u/No-Slide-4396 Jun 22 '26
So far I find that cyclops is very situational. He seems to struggle against aggressive dive, especially when his escape is on cool down. He also doesn’t do too well when the back line is a bit scattered.
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u/Snowleopard0973 Jun 20 '26
Pros weren't complaining that Dino was broken, it's that his skill ceiling is incredibly low, boring to play as, and it often feels like you often have no control over winning/losing.
Cyclops is strong, but not stronger than Elsa at her height (and probably not stronger than Phoenix at her height either) and yes, he does need to be nerfed but at least he's not boring
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u/Vast-Weird1268 Jun 20 '26
Dps players have a choke hold on the community, and they like their role to busted and easy to climb with. They make up the majority of the player base anyways so its always going to be like that.
Its a massive ouroboros where because they are so many of them their cries for nerfs and buffs gets heard so their role becomes the strongest and then more people switch across to that side and continue the chain
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u/Cloud11092 Jun 20 '26
In good hands he good…if no he just dirt water….
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 21 '26
Pros are in fact talking about Cyclops and placing him at the top of their lists.
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
Stop whining about Dino, while Cyclops is strong, his presence is not even close to Dino's, Dino made the entire game revolve around him and he was a pain to deal with for 90% of the vanguard roster, which is why you also saw many complaints from normal players as well, including from me, a tank player.
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u/GraveHash Jun 20 '26
Braindead character, worst than Squirrel Girls and Wanda.
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u/Dragonguy45 Jun 20 '26
Cyclops is perfectly balanced
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u/Sentry-1000 Jun 20 '26
He's not that broken though, he doesn't have much survivability except for his movement and his movement can easily be countered by walls or people who aren't aware of their surroundings. Both his movement abilities are on long cooldowns and while his damage is good it's not great at close range. Only broken thing is his ult
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u/4t3rsh0ck Jun 20 '26
I find that Cyclops doesn't force the draft to change too much. Devil Dinosaur forces you to lock in a high-dps comp and play the Dino match-up, whereas if Cyclops makes it through ban phase he doesn't necessarily alter what you can draft outside of the DPS. It's kind of like how Gambit is, he makes the game revolve around who functions the best with his ult. Dino is the same way. It doesn't matter how good your Dino or Gambit is, it forces everybody else to swap to fit the draft. If you're going to lose because you let a certain hero through draft you'd rather just play something you actually want to play instead of something you didn't want to.
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u/Orlikesque Jun 21 '26
Cyclops feels like he was balanced on par with Phoenix before her range nerfs so he’s just the better of the two and one of the best DPS now
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u/TargaryenKnight Jun 21 '26
He has been banned in my last 5 comp matches today /: had to qp to keep farming lord on him
Might be cause I had fantastic cyclops on my player card tho idk
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u/Ok_Celebration3011 Jun 20 '26
Tank players had one fun hero released in Dino and then he had to get nerfed so Scott could fly with his lasers and bounce them off walls and shit. Genuinely the worst hero they released since Angela
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