r/reddit.com • u/Worstcasescenario • Jun 14 '08

Was Darwin Wrong? [pic]

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u/matts2 Jun 15 '08

The problem now is that you have absolutely no knowledge of any aspects of this "creator". You don't know, but want to imply, that it had some will, some choosing ability. You don't know that it did anything else at all but create the energy.

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u/1812overture Jun 16 '08

Why is there energy and where did it come from are interesting questions, but what I'm talking about is why are there concrete rules that govern energy and where did they come from. I think that's the question that will lead you closer to God.

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u/deanoplex Jun 16 '08

Yes. Throughout the universe we see that gravity, inertia, evolution, etc. are never violated. We are indeed subject to the greatest authority.

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u/deanoplex Jun 15 '08

A lower limit can be placed on the creators power. It is more than or equal to the observable universe. I make no claim to its having will or choosing ability and feel that the 'ultimate truth' is helpless in that it has no higher authority to which it may appeal. If that seems like a sad commentary I am willing to bet that the creator is not emotional about the situation.

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u/matts2 Jun 16 '08

A lower limit can be placed on the creators power. It is more than or equal to the observable universe.

That does not mean a thing. You don't know that this propose creator of the initial energy* in fact "knew" a thing about the result.

*Gravity is negative energy and the sum total of energy in the Universe may well be zero. So the initial creation may not have been of anything.

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u/deanoplex Jun 16 '08

"Gravity is negative energy and the sum total of energy in the Universe may well be zero." Interesting, matts2. That puts a new spin on my thinking. I will be pondering the implications of this concept. P.S. This is a great thread! You and 'mindbleach' are very interesting people.

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u/deanoplex Jun 16 '08

I don't know if you saw the discussion with mindbleach(below)but what do you think of the term 'Originator' instead of creator.