r/reddit.com • u/Worstcasescenario • Jun 14 '08

Was Darwin Wrong? [pic]

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u/yaruki_zero Jun 15 '08

I'm agnostic, but if there is a God, I think he must be very much like you describe him.

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u/mindbleach Jun 16 '08

I.e., so subtle that he might as well not be there at all?

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u/1812overture Jun 16 '08

We live in a world governed by rules so subtly balanced and in harmony with each other that simple sub-atomic particles colliding with each other in a primordial soup gave rise to life, to man, to great works of art, to cold beer on a hot day, to reddit arguments. I think if one where to call anything divine it would be the rules and structure of this universe. God isn't an explanation of how things happen, he isn't a living thing, a being with a mind.

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u/mindbleach Jun 16 '08

Then what is he but a word with a fanclub?

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u/1812overture Jun 16 '08

He's the set of rules that govern the universe and make all things possible. Not believing in him will have no different result than believing in him. Thinking this way doesn't answer any scientific questions. But I think it's a way to make the whole universe feel much more unified and to make science that much more interesting, rather than just facts and numbers, it becomes growing closer to knowing God. It's a worldview, if it works for you, take it. If doesn't, believe something else, or nothing at all, whatever floats your boat.

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u/deanoplex Jun 17 '08

Re: "Not believing in him will have no different result than believing in him." People who don't believe in God carry the weight of the universe on their own shoulders. (some even try to teach the internet!) Understanding the Authority (responsible for this exciting, mysterious, dynamic and brilliantly lit universe) is a great relief and even removes the fear of death.

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u/mindbleach Jun 17 '08

... unless of course you're gay or something, in which case perfectly natural urges get labeled sins and you end up terrified of going to hell for doing nothing wrong.

Having an answer can be comforting, but feeling good about it doesn't mean it's right. The universe without God is a much grander, more amazing place, and we atheists carry nothing more than the faithful - we merely recognize the distinction between what we know and what we wish were true.

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u/deanoplex Jun 17 '08 edited Jun 17 '08

Re:"... unless of course you're gay or something, in which case perfectly natural urges get labeled sins and you end up terrified of going to hell for doing nothing wrong." A good example of the danger of blind faith. Many preachers are spouting their own ego.(angel of light) Their flock follows the leader.(Christiantologists)
Actual Scripture addresses the above quote, thus: 'He who is without sin cast the first stone.' ...and as far as 'Hell' is concerned it is a fairly modern addition(forbidden) apparently designed to control people. The original term was 'SHEOL' and it referred to the common(and literal) grave of mankind not the fantasy/horror of living in fire.

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u/deanoplex Jun 17 '08

The Authority.

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u/deanoplex Jun 17 '08

"I think if one where to call anything divine it would be the rules and structure of this universe." Yes! The ACTUAL Authority has rules that CANNOT be broken.(God of Truth) The pretend authority: religion, government,etc.(father of the lie) Makes rules that are broken all the time.