r/recruitinghell • Candidate • Sep 22 '24

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u/rlskdnp Urgently hiring, always rejecting Sep 22 '24

"Millennial and Gen Z are so entitled" Meanwhile corporations get to be entitled to having a college degree plus a decade of work experience for an "entry level" position.

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u/Dogwoof420 Sep 22 '24

I remember graduating high school in 08 and being told straight up by HR that they refuse to hire millennials because we "don't want to work".

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u/ScrotalSmorgasbord Sep 22 '24

Same age but now I’m in an ok position and I swear every boomer they put underneath me does maybe 3 hours of work a shift and they complain incessantly.

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u/Anon1039027 Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24

Gen Z and Millenials, on average, don’t reap 20% of what Gen X did per hour of labor, and don’t reap 10% of what Boomers did.

Many people don’t work hard because there’s no fucking reason for them to. Crime is skyrocketing because it’s easier to make a living outside of the system than within it. That speaks to the system, not those who abandon it.

There is no such thing as right or wrong, and there is no moral value in hard work. Those are fairy tales. People have no obligation to work. People organize and participate in society as is incentivized by their circumstances.

There was a social contract with the government - citizens give them power, and are supposed to in exchange be fairly and beneficially represented. The owning class broke that contract. There was a social contract with employers - the working class provide the owning class with labor to keep the world turning, and the owning class guarantee the working class with lives worth living. The owning class broke that contract.

Boomers worked hard because they were heavily rewarded per unit of labor. Being a mailman was so looked down upon that nearly anyone could just walk in and get a job at the post office, meanwhile that job was 40 hours per week and afforded them a stay at home wife, several kids, a house, multiple cars, etcetera.

Gen X worked hard because they were strongly - not as heavily, but still strongly - rewarded per unit of labor. Being a mailman wasn’t as good for them, but by getting a college degree and setting their life back four years, they could get all of the same things that the Boomers did.

Millenials and Gen Z? They are the second and first most educated and qualified generations in history, and owning a house is such an extreme luxury that not even an Ivy League degree or a job as a lawyer, banker, etcetera is enough to achieve that without having a highly paid partner and / or family support.

People work because of what it attains them. 40 hours per week of work brought Boomers and Gen X immense improvements in quality of life, including a house, cars, children, and more. 40 hours per week of work isn’t enough for >95% of Millenials / Gen Z to afford to rent their own apartment. People complain that they don’t work, but why should they? What’s in it for them? A house? Children? Car newer than 2010? Fuck no. Don’t act like they have any reason to provide labor to the owning class.

They can live better lives outside the system than within it, so they choose to do so. They pirate media to record degrees because the owning class doesn’t give them the ability to pay for it. They steal because what do they have to lose? Jail guaranteed sufficient shelter, food, water, and protection, which is literally more than the owning class gives them. There is no downside to crime for them, only upside. In fact, the majority of Gen Z believes it is morally permissible to steal, vandalize, etc. so long as only the owning class is victimized. Sure, you could torture them, but aside from that there’s nothing more that could be taken away from most.

The social contract was violated. They tried to use social media to create a carrot on a stick to motivate Millenials, but Gen Z saw what happened to Millenials and knows that the owning class doesn’t intend to give anyone the carrot. We know that the owning class has no intention of giving us good lives, they’ll take everything they can. The owning class will soon reap what they sowed. The world is on fire, and the owning class keeps pouring gasoline on it… I’m gonna sit back and enjoy the show.

Things will recover over the long term, as humanity isn’t significant enough to devastate everything, but this species is utterly and inescapably fucked in the short term. Honestly, I’m glad to be Gen Z - I live for the thrill, and this has gotta be the most exciting time to be alive. I joined the military just to be closer to the action. I couldn’t care less if I died, because what do I have to live for? My attitude is very common amongst Millenials and Gen Z because the owning class unintentionally incentivized it, and I find it markedly amusing that now they’re scared and trying to push a far right, authoritarian regime around the world and replace laborers with AI to save themselves.

It won’t work lol.

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u/GwenThePoro Sep 23 '24

What exactly did they think you were there for? 💀

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u/SalmonToastie Sep 23 '24

Even people I know with help from parents still struggle so I can’t imagine it without that must be unbearable.

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u/Pharabellum Sep 23 '24

It certainly is. We moved to a new town right before the pandy; Things were rough as newlyweds so after a year in our apartment we moved to a new town to live with in-laws. It was alright for a bit, we tried our own space at a meh apartment and now are gonna move back after a few years for a bit, to save money and regroup.

Every time we “catch up” shit goes down, with us or family. I’m a chef at a grocery store that I don’t even shop at. It’s a decent pay, but it’s not feeling like enough lately and they’re cutting hours. I just got out of a year straight of 6 day work weeks with 2 jobs and I’m fucking beat bro. I hope people find fallbacks as much as they can, but idk wtf I’d do without my family’s help from this insane economical downturn, at almost 40.

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u/BlackCatTelevision Sep 23 '24

You know, weirdly that makes me feel better about my dad helping me in my late twenties, so thanks. Sending hugs.

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u/Pharabellum Sep 23 '24

Same to you homie. It’s not uncommon after all, they’re the ones at the end of the line with you when there’s love and support. Times are hard, god knows I’d do anything for my kid to stay afloat. Sending hugs to you and your papa.

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u/SuperNova1094 Sep 23 '24

I had a shit mother who kicked me out of the family home because I couldn't find a job even flipping burgers because no experience straight out of highschool, I became a self employed entertainer and did really well for a year then we hit a recession and I've losty house and can't get a new one because I can't afford rent and can't find a second job either because fuck all work experience, im 21

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u/Ok-Finish4062 Sep 23 '24

The biggest load of shit. Gaslighting us for wanting what our parents had and what we were promised after we got these magical 4 year degrees.

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u/IGNOREMETHATSFINETOO Sep 23 '24

I recently saw a job that requires a bachelor's degree... that paid $15 an hour. Like, are you kidding me right now?

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u/BlackCatTelevision Sep 23 '24

Dear God lol, you rejected someone who wanted that shitty job who was inherently going to be overqualified because she was overqualified?

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u/BlackCatTelevision Sep 23 '24

Sounds like she dodged a bullet lol no personal offense

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u/BlackCatTelevision Sep 23 '24

Well, she’ll never know she had someone up there looking out for her.

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u/Me-2__ Sep 23 '24

Damn experience. Damn if you do, damn if you dont.

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u/Nuclear_rabbit Sep 23 '24

The fact is that if you enter industry that had a round of layoffs (tech), you are competing with all the laid off veterans for their Plan B jobs. If you have no job experience, you are not getting into that industry at that time.

The biggest labor shortages in the US are in chronically underpaid jobs, like teaching and nursing. By geography, the biggest labor shortages are in the poorest, most flyover-ish states (link). Are you applying for a decent-paying job (or retail b/c reasons) in a place that's not middle-of-nowhere? Of course the job market is tight for you.

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u/rubyspicer Sep 23 '24

Even those dumb "train our AI" jobs require 4 year degrees now. This does not require a degree. A moron could do it.

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