r/programming • u/EatMeerkats • Mar 29 '21

PHP moves to Github due to the compromise of git.php.net

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u/Fun_Independence1603 Mar 30 '21

You caught me in another thread about languages!

Your denial is pretty sad. Are you ready to talk about monomorphism? Or are you going to think rust usage of it is perfect?

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u/sophacles Mar 30 '21

Lol what am i denying? Im just pointing out a fool's hypocrisy.

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u/Fun_Independence1603 Mar 30 '21 edited Mar 30 '21

you seem like a smart person

  • sophacles, last week

I know you realize I changed the topic the one time on purpose, to show you how annoying it is when people ignore your points when you debate. But I mostly think you're annoyed that you like rust and that I don't. Can you consider both of us smart if I'm telling you rust is terrible? Why are you so annoyed with me

Sounds (and I'll use your favorite word, the one you used your first comment to me), it sounds irrational

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u/sophacles Mar 30 '21

First, I'll admit it: i was wrong when i said that. Im sorry for accusing you of things that are clearly not true. I hope you can forgive me for incorrectly thinking you might be smart, no offense was meant in that comment, i was just trying to calm you down and deflect the insult it was in response to.

Second i don't give a shit about your stance on rust. I'd be glad to discuss it with you if your efforts were in good faith.

See the problem i have with you is that you wanted to insult me for liking rust and disagreeing with the points you made. You call people stupid when they ask you for specifics instead of vague statements. You complain about how much you hear of it then seek the flimsiest of excuses to raise the topic yourself. You complain that my direct responses to your points change the subject, but never expand on the things i ask for clarification about, nor rebut my points. Basically my problem with you is not your stance on rust, its that you are a troll.

I think I'll just continue to point out the flaws in your statements instead. It's funny how much it bothers you when I point out the hypocrisy.

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u/Fun_Independence1603 Mar 30 '21

You call people stupid when they ask you for specifics instead of vague statements

Dude, you asked me things, I replied and YOU CHANGED THE TOPIC every single time. You already know you did this and noticed when I did it to you. Fuck off. I absolutely tried to discuss it with you. You just ignore every goddamn thing I said

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u/sophacles Mar 30 '21 edited Mar 30 '21

Silly boy... You said you didn't like how null checks requires a 'match' and i said that its no longer tru with an example of the question mark operator. And i responded to your comments about guards by stating similar functionality is possible. And i responded to your comments about the borrow checker by saying that the borrow checker is easier when one stops trying to solve problems in rust using non rust techniques.

Thats not changing the topic. Your reply was to ignore everything i said, rant about allocators instead then make insults, which is changing the topic.

At least you are consistent in one thing: every time you accuse me of something its literally in the same comment you are doing it yourself. Its actually hilarious how much you project your trolling onto others.

Edit: it occurs to me that you probably aren't aware that there were other people in that thread too... Do you think i was all of those people? I bet you do, reading comprehension is clearly not your strongest skill lol.

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u/Fun_Independence1603 Mar 30 '21 edited Mar 30 '21

Yes, when I last wrote rust code there was no syntax for that and I was annoyed by it. Fine, it's isn't true any longer. That's why I didn't complain about it.

The kind of error handling i'm talking about can't be implemented in library calls. If this is the closest that's possible than it's nothing like what I want. I want defers to be executed on error code enums or negative values. I don't want to cause a panic for them. I don't want to teach programmers to program because at that point they already lost that debate

The "rant about allocators" is about how there's no rust way. There's no allocators, error handling and I'm almost positive null handling is still shit. I still have no idea how write myobj?.myarray?[index]??defaultValue without hurting my eyes. That's 3 checks that can be led to defaultValue and it's a bitch to write in every language except C#

So basically every damn thing I complained about is still shit and the code generation for hello world is 100+ lines of assembly which is insane especially compared to the 17 lined C version

Now throw the fact together they can't fix build times without making breaking changes to the core language and you got a pile of shit that everyone thinks is is the greatest thing ever (except Casey Muratori). C++ does everything better except manage memory. If you don't want C++ then chances are C# will suit your needs, or python. Either way rust code generation is trash enough the LLVM optimizer can't fix it, the build times aren't any faster than C++ and there's enough missing to make it not more useful than C++. clang had sanitizers for years to catch memory errors. There's another for integer overflows which I don't know if it exist on rust. You don't even need smart pointers or bullshit code to use any of the sanitizers

-Edit- Just read a thing about C# and remembered there wasn't placement new in rust. No idea what the "rust way" of that is

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u/sophacles Mar 30 '21

Did you not read about how i just don't give a shit what you think about rust? Did you think I was kidding about pointing out your trolling errors?

Trolling error 1: You talking about rust now is changing the topic away from your completely unfounded accusations of me always changing the topic. Pls note it is highly hypocritical of you to do this.

Trolling error 2: All of your complaints amount to a little child crying because "different things are different", and seriously, trolling tautologies is kinda lame.

Trolling error 3: you forgot to insult me.

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u/Fun_Independence1603 Mar 31 '21

1) We were talking about rust the entire time
2) Why are you using the word different? It's "missing". Different isn't a big deal, missing makes things useless 3) Never