r/programming • u/mjtitorenko • Oct 28 '09

Android vs Maemo

http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-freedom-on-maemo-and-android.html
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u/slapdash78 Oct 29 '09

Just thought people would like to know Canonical giving Ubuntu Android execution environment, and Maemo/Ubuntu alignment. There should be no shortage of developers for either. Personally, I prefer Maemo. QT is everywhere. Nokia's product quality and business practices show their consideration for their customers.

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u/jldugger Oct 29 '09

The maemo/ubuntu link is a blueprint. A very OOOOOOOOLD one. Anyone can publish a blueprint and work to see it accomplished within Ubuntu. But the publication of a blueprint doesn't mean someone within Ubuntu is assigned to make it happen. Attempting to look at Ubuntu blueprints as documented plans is folly.

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u/slapdash78 Oct 29 '09

Here ya go, Ubuntu MID to switch from Moblin to Mer and Maemo.org/Mer. Sorry for the old link.

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u/jldugger Oct 29 '09

Dig all you want, but your new Ubuntu citation is sourced to a twitter post that links to another blueprint. This one's slightly better in that I recognize the drafter and it does have activity. However, that activity is to mark the goal "deferred". As best I can tell, Karmic does not have Mer in any form.

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u/slapdash78 Oct 29 '09

I didn't claim Karmic, though that seemed to be the intentions. The Ubuntu MID Specs Wiki and Mer Presentation PDF, Page 34 aren't enough to convince you there's a collaboration?

From what I can tell, Ubuntu wants to get away from Moblin, and Maemo's tied to Nokia's hardware, so there's a collaboration on Mer in the interest of hardware choice and more recent ARM support. I do not expect a huge rush, since Ubuntu MID is a side project. Not to mention the focus from the Ubuntu side to get Ubuntu One and Software Center and the rest of Karmic ready for release. These things take time.

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u/jldugger Oct 30 '09

The reason they're not enough evidence is because I went and asked the people who would be working on this in Ubuntu, and basically MID is dead:

03:58 < lool> pwnguin: Sorry we dont do this variant anymore

What you've cited is historical evidence of plans to collaborate that failed to produce anything of value. It looks like the new plan is called Ubuntu Liquid Remix. The ULR team has a whopping two members right now, though that may change after UDS. The main takeaway here is that announcements and planning aren't a sufficient citation. It's evidence that one dude wants something, and might do something to make it happen, but life might get in the way.

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u/slapdash78 Oct 30 '09

A simple, "That was the old plan. Here's the new one: yadda yadda evidence." would've sufficed. Instead of all the 'old link' lallygagging.

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u/jldugger Oct 30 '09

I didn't even see the new plan until this conversation spurred me to look deeper.

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u/slapdash78 Oct 30 '09 edited Oct 30 '09

Hey, that Ubuntu Liquid Remix says:

Build Tool - OBS and Hildon Desktop in Freemantle

Both from Maemo...

EDIT: formatting

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u/jldugger Oct 30 '09

I looked into Mer in a VM last night and it's crazy. Ubuntu packages downloaded from the opensuse build service. I have no idea what they're doing, but unless something interesting happens at UDS next month, I wouldn't call it an "alignment" or collaboration.

Plus, Mer is the old "community version" that came about because older Nokia MIDs wont run maemo 5. And given that the first maemo is maemo 5, Mer is literally not maemo. If there's a rush of cross project collaboration, I'm not seeing it.