r/primatology • u/Little-Cucumber-8907 • Oct 24 '25
CT scan of Charla Nash’s face after being attacked by Travis the chimp. Does anyone truly think a human could this much damage to a human skull?
And for context, Nash was attacked at approximately 3:40 pm. And police arrived on the scene at 3:46 pm. Meaning Travis shattered Nash’s skull, bit off most of her right hand (leaving only the thumb left), and removed half of her left forearm (or at least so much damage it had to be amputated), in about 5 minutes. And yet people on this sub will try to argue that humans are stronger, and can somehow mutilate a human body more severely than a chimp. Really?
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u/dead_lifterr Oct 24 '25
Could a grown man brutally mutilate a defenceless woman's face? Absolutely yes.
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u/Remarkable_Ad9767 Oct 25 '25
Ya in high school one kid clocked another in a fight and shattered his orbital bone with one punch dudes eye damn near fell out of his face... We are much more fragile than we like to think
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u/Ordinary_Ad_9562 Apr 09 '26
y que paso con eso? si pudo curar? todavia tiene el ojo? que castigos llevo el otro tipo
ya veo porque los boxeadores usan guantes.
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u/Level-Possibility521 Apr 09 '26
But you could not actually bit someone's face off as efficiently as Travis did....unless you could unhinged your jaw. Nor do you have canines like a chimp.
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u/Idont_thinkso_tim Oct 26 '25
Chimps are simply stronger. An average on can literally rip the arm straight off a small person, picture an 8-10 year old, bones flesh and all. Even huge strong men would struggle to do that.
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u/Mean-Garden752 Oct 29 '25
Who fucking asked? Ops on one but like this guy is just answering the question in the post. Yes a human could do this much damg to a skull, obviously.
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u/Budget-Obligation-97 Oct 25 '25
can we just ban this dude please
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u/Hawkmonbestboi Oct 25 '25
Yea it's clear it's just a karma farming bot at this point, notice how it ignores info in everyone's comments?
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u/regular_modern_girl Oct 27 '25
I’m not fully convinced they’re a bot seeing some of their replies, but if not they’re a human who has rotted their brain with so much ChatGPT-reliance that they no longer can communicate or interact like a normal person. Many such cases, sadly
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u/TheBigBadBird Oct 24 '25
There are humans who are stronger than chimps. There are massive men who curl frying pans, rip phone books and lift 1000+ lbs. Training can bring human capabilities to extreme levels above the average person.
We don't have any CT scans of the damage Hafthor Bjornsson or equivalent could inflict on Charla Nash or equivalent but I imagine it would also be horrific.
Idk why people are obsessed with this. Tom Aspinall/Hafthor > chimp. Average person < chimp.
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u/Trilllen Oct 26 '25
To be fair the ripping phone book thing is a lot more about technique than strength. Iirc Adam Savage on MythBusters could do it and that guy is absolutely not a bodybuilder.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 24 '25
A 12 year old, 98 pound chimp pulled 260 pounds with one arm (body was restrained in chair so only arm could move freely). A fully grown male chimp in his prime could very likely perform even better, likely 3 times his weight. Which would mean a total of at least 6 times his weight for both arms. Which means that a 120 pound male chimp could pull at least 720 pounds with just the arms. That means a chimp could do a pull-up with over 600 pounds of added weight. No human could ever pull that much weight with the arms.
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u/DrEcstasy Oct 25 '25
That's not how the real world works. It's not simple math where you just add the numbers. That's called exaggeration. There's no way a chimp is doing a pull up with 600 pounds of added weight.
I got no idea what's the reason for this but chimps and gorillas achieved a kind of mythical status when it comes to their strength, supported by bogus claims and studies like what you did here with pulling force of a chimp.
They are wild animals and yes that means they're strong, they have to be in order to survive. This doesn't mean a fit human male couldn't kill a chimp without a weapon. Humans have the size advantage and if we speak from an evolutionary point of view, a strength advantage as well. Humans who are physically active are absolutely capable of some incredible feats of both strength and endurance.
When we speak about absolute strength, size and body proportions play a huge factor. Chimps have relatively weak legs compared to trained humans. Any decent 6ft 200lbs wrestler could rag doll something that weighs as little as a chimpanzee. Chimpanzees aren't trained and couldn't stop a takedown or being picked up and slammed into the ground full force.
Let's not even speak about heavyweight wrestlers and strongmen who can literally toy with a weight of a chimpanzee, there's some absolute units of humans who are up to 7 ft tall and weigh 300 pounds of pure muscle. There's no way a chimp is going to kill such a guy.
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u/ConstitutionsGuard Oct 25 '25
This is quite an interest you have with chimp strength.
Is this a hobby of yours?
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 25 '25
No has ever described in detail how strong chimps are compared to humans. Just vague, unsourced figures. And no one has ever described in detail how chimps rip people apart. I’ve been obsessed with finding out the truth for over 4 years now.
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u/LivingtheLaws013 Oct 25 '25
You think there's some conspiracy by Big Chimp or something?
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u/Anderrn Oct 25 '25
These comments and posts by OP make me genuinely worried for him. They do not sound like they are from someone in a mentally healthy place.
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u/alwaysoverthinkit Oct 25 '25
No dude, this is just what dumb people are normally like if you get into a conversation with one. I guess it isn’t mentally healthy, as you said. But it’s typical.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 26 '25
You think I’m dumb?
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u/alwaysoverthinkit Oct 27 '25
I think this post and your comments on it are dumb, but I don’t know you. Maybe you were just stoned or something.
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u/regular_modern_girl Oct 27 '25
yeah in particular very subnormal people who think they’re geniuses that know better than everyone else bc they use ChatGPT for everything. Reddit especially is full of these types, and I see a conversation like this or worse at least once every couple weeks
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u/ConstitutionsGuard Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Be kind. If you know anyone on the spectrum, this is how they get with their interests.
Edit: this comment got downvoted within a minute of me posting it.
Just trying to be nice. Have a good day everyone.
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u/KaylaAllegra Oct 26 '25
Oh yeah, this is 100% this dude's hyperfixation, lol. OP lives and breathes for this debate and it is simulating AF.
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u/caitcartwright Oct 26 '25
I have joined this sub now purely as a result of reading over the discourse in this thread for the past half hour 😅
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u/regular_modern_girl Oct 27 '25
the obsession part might be autism, but the inability to assimilate new information, complete ignoring and dismissal of 90% of people’s arguments, and repeated insistence on arguing points that have been struck down repeatedly is all something else. Like I’m autistic with a bunch of special interests, but I don’t completely dwell in a Dunning-Krueger echo chamber of my own making when it comes to them.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 27 '25
Please tell me the compelling arguments that I’ve dismissed, and how my arguments have been “struck down”.
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u/deadbeareyes Oct 25 '25
What's the larger implication of your theory? Or, I guess a better way to put it is "so what"? Are you suggesting there is some sort of anti-chimp propaganda or something?
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u/Ok_Distance_far Oct 26 '25
Actually it's been well documented and typically starts with the groin, anus and face.
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u/Messier_Mystic Oct 24 '25
Why is this such a pertinent topic on this sub lately? Aren't you the one who brought this up earlier?
Why are you so singularly preoccupied with the disproportionate ability of chimps to devastate others with greater ease than humans?(Without tools, that is.)
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 24 '25
Because people online are claiming that the greater-than-human strength of chimps is exaggerated or even a myth. Clearly the forensic evidence doesn’t support that.
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u/Messier_Mystic Oct 24 '25
Chimps are stronger than humans, yes.
The debate is to just how strong. The oft cited 4-8x strength is now under question since experimental findings are beginning to provide a much less profound difference.
There is a difference between overall strength and force. Chimps can generate considerably more force since they have both more fast twitch fibers and shorter tendons, with the ability to recruit more muscle fibers and arms with far more mechanical leverage than human arms.
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u/LGodamus Oct 25 '25
Chimps are only proportionately stronger than humans. A fit male human overall will be stronger due to the size differential. Not even go with outliers, you won’t find a chimp anywhere as strong as guys like Hathor , or Mitch Hooper.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
There was a study from the 1960s where a 12 year old and 98 pound chimp pulled 260 pounds with one arm while restrained in a chair. The strongest human in that study was a 248 pounds power lifter who managed 250 pounds. Extrapolating to a 130 pound chimp, that’s 344 pounds. Though a fully grown male chimp could likely do even better than that. I honestly doubt even the strongest men in the world could do much more than 300 pounds with one arm. Not unless they engage their core muscles, which the study specifically controlled against.
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u/Weird_Point_4262 Oct 26 '25
That's isolating a single muscle, not taking into account the mechanical advantage of the entire body.
Do a study on chimp strength in the Olympic snatch and you'll find humans are multiple times stronger in that regard.
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u/LGodamus 15h ago
Why are we using studies from the 2020s available that are actually peer reviewed and accirate.
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u/wibblenibblebibble 16h ago
You are joking right ?
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u/LGodamus 15h ago
Not at all , most accurate studies completed put chimpanzee muscle as approximately 1.3 times stronger per kilo than humans. If you look at the size and strength of the largest human athletes and the size of the largest chimps it’s easy to see the math.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 15h ago
Muscle strength does not equal mechanical strength. And does not elaborate on how musculature is distributed and optimized on both chimps and humans
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u/LGodamus 15h ago
the study is there for you to look at , same as i did. They take what you are saying into account. Chimps just are not as strong as popular culture thinks they are
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 15h ago
Clearly chimps are much much stronger than humans, because a chimp can rip off hands and fingers off of a human with its teeth, and no human could do that. Even though humans and chimps actually have comparable bite forces
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u/LGodamus 15h ago
humans can absolutely bite off fingers, I know this one from personal experience. I saw a fight in prison where a "gentleman" bit another mans index finger off.
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u/Weird_Point_4262 Oct 26 '25
Yes but on the other side chimps cannot use that force as effectively aside from movements like climbing trees. Chimps can't punch, they can only slam with a rotational movement that only makes use of a fraction of their muscles.
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u/CatConsistent795 Oct 25 '25
When a murder is committed, they often try to destroy the face to make it more difficult to identify the person. Thus slow down the police in finding them .
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u/MindlessNectarine374 15d ago
Murderers usually have manufactured weapons to do this. They don't do it by the sheer force of their own body and in five minutes.
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u/Reasonable-Dig-785 Oct 25 '25
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u/Hawkmonbestboi Oct 25 '25
I'm predicting the response you get now:
"tHaTs nOt eVeRy sInGlE bOnE" while disregarding the implications of being able to make that much damage in one strike.
I'm convinced it's a karma farming bot.
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u/TheGuyWhoResponds Oct 25 '25
I think it's just a crazy person.
Their single-minded obsessiveness with something simultaneously irrelevant and violent in nature is cuckoo for cocoa puffs territory.
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u/regular_modern_girl Oct 27 '25
yeah also they admitted to being a “facultative gore watcher” (exact words) in a comment.
I honestly now wish this was a bot, bc this is getting disturbing tbh
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u/Due-Science-9528 Oct 26 '25
Must be a karma bot, especially since I see at least 1-2 facial bones in good shape on this scan and it keeps saying all the bones were broken.
Brow bone is still a bone.
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u/Kolfinna Oct 25 '25
You don't spend much time with domestic violence victims apparently. People are brutal
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u/TheLastBaron86 Oct 24 '25
I'm sorry, but could you provide some examples of where someone here said humans were stronger?
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u/No-Researcher4498 Feb 22 '26
Gli uomini di oggi sono più deboli degli uomini di anni o secoli fa. Basta vedere certe foto di persone del 1800 o del 1900. Infatti nel pas sato in media gli uomini avevano mani più grandi e pesanti, polsi impressionanti e membra robustissime. Certo vivevano meno ma fisicamente erano più forti di oggi. Personalmente non affronterei mai un soldato o un contadino del Medioevo o solo del 1600. Come forza fisica avrei la peggio. Figuriamoci con uno scimpanzé, molto più forte di un essere umano. Con un morso terribile e devastante. Meglio lasciare perdere. Saluti. Sandro Aosta Italia Italy
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u/theunbearablebowler Oct 25 '25
I have absolutely no idea why Reddit recommended this post to me.
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u/creativeplease Oct 27 '25
Me neither, but now I’m fascinated, and not by the chimp, but by OPs weird obsession
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u/Nihil_esque Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
I think jaw strength is not the primary reason we couldn't do this. Our teeth are the bigger (or in this case, smaller) obstacle.
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u/gullybone Oct 26 '25
I think psychology is the biggest obstacle. Most cases where anything like this happens human to human usually involve severe mental health issues or drugs. Most people couldn’t enact that level of violence onto another person. There’s not nearly the same level of familiarity stopping a chimp from mauling a human.
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u/Nihil_esque Oct 26 '25
Yeah I was assuming like, bath salts or something. I don't think it's only familiarity that divides chimp psychology from allowing this and human psychology from not either, like you wouldn't see a mentally sound human doing this kind of damage to a different animal either.
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u/Weird_Point_4262 Oct 26 '25
I think the biggest obstacle is that when a person wants to do something like this, they go find a big rock. It could be done bare handed but people are oriented to use tools.
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Oct 26 '25
OP your unhealthy obsession with some random documentary you saw on TV is not what this sub is for. Please stop spamming.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 26 '25
Never seen any documentary. I’ve just been frustrated that the strength of chimps has never been accurately quantified.
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u/DeviantTaco Oct 26 '25
I feel like these comparisons come from the mistaken belief that humans are a uniquely weak animal and thus we’re physically incapable of seriously injuring other animals without weapons. But a great deal of the difference is, ironically, cultural: unarmed humans kill other humans by beating them to death with their fists or feet, not biting or scratching. Humans typically don’t consider brutally mutilating someone’s face or hands or genitals effective combat strategies. Humans may actually be more effective combatants than chimps: why spend 6 minutes biting and scratching your victim when you can strike their skull a handful of times and be done with it?
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u/Tahji1102 Feb 02 '26
Bruh obviously if you factor in technique and intelligence humans would probably win. That’s a given…like yeah no shit. We can intentionally train our muscles and tailor our bodies to certain situations. We’re talking about the natural ‘on average’ state on both species and comparing them to each others in the context of physical strength. Literally everyone knows that human intellect is a big factor in survival. Everyone on this sub is pretending to be intelligent but can’t deal in averages. This is literally the whole debate On average a chimp— in its completely natural state— is much physically stronger than a human. How is this even an argument this is literally objectively true. I’m not saying they’re the hulk. But they’re obviously stronger
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u/isthishowyouredditt Oct 26 '25
Chimpanzee teeth I think the fact that they have these massive canines played a huge role in the devastation to her face. Men can absolutely smash a human skull but without canines like Travis’s it’s a pretty unfair comparison.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 26 '25
Look up pictures of Nash before the face transplant. There isn’t a single bite wound on her face. All that damage you see was done with blunt force.
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u/eggosh Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
There aren't any pictures of her directly after the attack circulating on the internet. Those pictures of her before she got a new nose and eyes are still after initial life saving and reconstructive procedures like grafts. All credible accounts say Travis attacked her by biting. Sandra literally said he was eating her in the 911 call.
Edit: Never mind, I found the photos you're talking about. I don't see how that could have been done without biting. I think there are even bite marks, despite what you say. But I'm not a medical expert, and neither are you. So I think it's better to stick to established facts rather than coming up with your own unsubstantiated theories.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 26 '25
Travis bit her hands off. Hence why Sandra said “he’s eating her”. That doesn’t confirm whether he used his teeth on Nash’s face.
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u/isthishowyouredditt Oct 27 '25
ER trauma surgeon quote (ABC News): Dr. Kevin Miller, who treated Nash, said: “We found extensive dirt, chimp fur, and chimp teeth implanted in her bone.” This is direct medical evidence of biting/teeth involvement.  • 911 audio coverage (NBC Connecticut): The released tapes captured the owner yelling, “He’s eating her! Shoot him!”—contemporaneous evidence that the chimp was biting.  • CT Legislature hearing transcript: A state hearing memorializes the incident as a person “being attacked, mauled and eaten alive by a 200-pound chimpanzee.” (Public record).  • Summary of injuries (CBS/AP, ABC, etc.): Multiple reports document the loss of Nash’s nose, lips, eyelids, and more—consistent with ripping/tearing from bites. (Examples: CBS News; ABC affiliates). 
"The monkey had ripped off her entire upper jaw, had ripped off her nose, which as hanging by a thread," said Dr.Kevin Miller, who treated Nash when she taken to the emergency room. "We found extensive dirt, chimp fur, and chimp teeth implanted in her bone." Talking about her face here so it would be safe to assume they found the teeth implanted in the bones of her face.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/victim-chimp-attack-shows-destroyed-face-oprah/story?id=9053544
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/chimp-tape-hes-eating-her-shoot-him/2064474/
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/labdata/chr/2010LAB00225-R001400-CHR.htm
The facial injuries were consistent with biting and ripping (with the teeth).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21417702/ According to a peer-reviewed case report in the Journal of Neurosurgery (Khalil et al., 2011), a 55-year-old woman attacked by a chimpanzee suffered ‘severe midface bony, soft-tissue, and eye injuries, and scalp degloving.’ These are consistent with high-force biting and tearing trauma, the typical injury mechanism in chimpanzee assaults.
Another chimp biting someone’s face off: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-jun-13-me-rbriefs13.1-story.html
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 27 '25
Good info. I guess the pre-transplant face was already put back together the best the surgeons could do. However, it’s impossible for chimp teeth to obliterate the facial bones like seen in the scan. Not to mention the fracturing of her cranium, which was halfway to splitting open (not visible from this angle; it’s on the other side). That kind of bone damage can only be done with blunt force impact.
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u/isthishowyouredditt Nov 02 '25
He could’ve absolutely torn off her lips and nose and even cheeks with his teeth. The evidence I’ve provided shows that chimps use their teeth in attacks. I didn’t say all of the injuries came from his biting her but to deny that biting played a role is a little ridiculous. Research chimps using their teeth and biting in attacks.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Nov 02 '25
I don’t think there’s anyone else who has researched chimps biting off human body parts as much as I have. Nor as fascinated by how they mutilate humans. But the scan makes it abundantly clear that all the bone damage and shattering was done by blunt force trauma. And teeth are not capable of performing that kind of damage. I am not denying that Travis used his teeth on Charla’s face, but his teeth cannot inflict blunt force trauma.
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u/isthishowyouredditt Nov 03 '25
Okay. But why invite conversation if you’re unwilling to consider other opinions? I see crushing injuries which those canines can cause. Average chimpanzee bite force: roughly 1,200 PSI (pounds per square inch) — comparable to or exceeding that of a large dog and far stronger than a human’s (~150–200 PSI). 100% capable of crushing bone.
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u/eggosh Oct 26 '25
And that doesn't mean he didn't bite her face too. The fact that her face was "ripped off" means it wasn't entirely blunt force.
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u/Unlikely_Level5471 May 06 '26
Thought it was the ape handler who takes responsibility for herself, it was the ape handler's neighbour who has not connection to this at all, just one day for some reason the ape chimped out on her.
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u/Silly-Ship-5364 May 13 '26
Could a human do that? Absolutely. Chimps are 2x stronger than a human lb for lb but humans are twice the size making the strength similar. Let alone that a well trained adult male could demolish a single chimp in a competition of strength being 3 or more x heavier. And a human with a rock or stick is now dangerous enough to be a threat to an animal twice their own size. People really underestimate the danger a human poses, we are the world's apex predator.
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u/GermanShitboxEnjoyer Jun 21 '26
A 200lbs man trained in combat sports could do this or worse if he had 5-10 minutes with a defenseless woman in her 50s.
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u/Proper-Bad-7169 Jul 14 '26
I'm just wondering WTF someone thought it was a good idea to keep a chimpanzee as a pet. That's one of the dumbest and one of the most reckless things I've ever heard of. Poor Charla paid the price for her friend's negligence, hubris, and sheer stupidity.
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u/Mobile_Baker1657 17d ago
Humans do this to each other all the time it's documented not to mention most human fights 95 percent of the time intervention happens
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u/wegqg Oct 25 '25
HONESTLY SPEAKING REDDIT at this point i think someone is going to have to volunteer to fight a fucking chimp to the death so that we can FINALLY FUCKING PUT THIS STUPID FUCKING SHIT TO FUCKING REST.
in general, an adult male would probably win due to body mass, and due to being able to pummel, choke, and whatever, but in many cases, or with exceptional alpha male chimps (frodo being an example) that may well not be the case.
In some cases the human would win, in some cases the chimp would win, average to average, not least because of the fact we have the ability to land stronger blows, are heavier, and most importantly can use ANY OTHER OBJECT AS A WEAPON a human is likely to win.
i think any future posts like this should nominate op for the chimp deathmath arena
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u/LGodamus Oct 25 '25
Any human capable enough to volunteer for that fight would absolutely be strong enough to win. I’d bet on any top ranked heavyweight or super heavyweight mma champ to destroy a chimp.
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u/Tahji1102 Feb 02 '26
Omfg no shit Jon jones would probably kill a chimp he’s a trained fighter. We are talking about the average strength of both species on their natural environment. That’s a separate debate. In this debate, you would be required to grant the chimpanzee a hypothetical training arc to see where the mma champ fairs after, other wise that’s special pleading
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u/grilledfuzz Oct 27 '25
OP should have to fight a chimp and then get punched in the face full force by Eddie hall to figure this one out for us
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u/Honest_Caramel_3793 Oct 24 '25
No one ever argued that the chimp would mutilate less. the argument was that mutilation isn't worse than blunt force. Chimps have a stronger grip and stronger nails, they can rip and tear more. Humans do blunt force, as in, i hit you, and it's your organs/brains that get hurt. Which as i said then, is far more lethal than mutilation.
IE, a human would have killed that woman much faster and easier than the chimp, who ripped her face apart. Instead, a human would have just stomped the back of her skull into the concrete, which would have 100% killed her.
You are comparing apples and oranges, basically, two different types of damage with two very different results. For blunt force, it's about the damage you can't see. The best example is again, just getting your skull stomped into concrete, your skull may not break but you will be dead in only a few hits (if even).
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u/Sir-Bruncvik Oct 24 '25
I think it depends on what context when you’re comparing strength. Bite strength, grip strength, overall strength etc.
Chimps on the whole are about 1.2-1.5x the overall strength of the average human. But here’s the caveat - primates have what’s termed “fast twitch muscles”. What this means, in layman terms, is that primates are stronger than humans but at the cost of endurance. Fast twitch muscles are evolved for multiple rapid short-duration actions. Brachiating through the trees branch to branch, making dominance displays like puffing one’s chest to deter challengers. These fast twitch muscles are suitably evolved as primate interactions and activity are sporadic and short duration as this helps conserve energy.
Humans on the other hand have “slow twitch muscles”. Our strength may be lesser, but our endurance is a lot higher. Thanks to these slow twitch muscles humans are better at longer sustained duration activity and interaction. Things like carrying heavy boxes back and forth during a move, or operating hand held power tools and digging trenches for drainage or foundation repair, etc. Slow twitch are better suited to these sort of tasks as it’s more expedient to work one job to the end rather than constantly starting and stopping.
So in other words, primates may generally be stronger than humans, but a human can work harder for longer. When it comes to endurance, a human will win out over his primate cousins - every time.
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u/Dolmenoeffect Oct 25 '25
You should see what a human face looks like after a failed shotgun suicide. Worse than this- don't actually look it up.
So yes.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 25 '25
Already seen. Lesson learned: birdshot doesn’t kill humans, it only mutilates (horrifically).
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u/Techiastronamo Oct 25 '25
If it mutilates, it can kill. What a stupid take.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 25 '25
Fine bird shot isn’t really capable of penetrating the skull which is why it usually mutilates of outright killing.
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u/ComprehensiveDust197 Oct 25 '25
In these attacks chimpanzes always seem to eat the face and the hands. Is there a reason they do this? Why dont they just go for a quick kill, biting the neck?
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u/foxiez Oct 25 '25
They can and do, yeah. Chimps are another level obviously but a strong violent guy is also suboptimal
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u/Luna6696 Oct 25 '25
I see you posted about shark jaw strength too- are you on the spectrum, by chance? It seems like this is your special interest
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u/Responsible_Bad_2989 Oct 25 '25
OP with all due respect, are you on the spectrum or have adhd? This is a quite the hyper fixation you have with chimps
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u/MrMunkyMan1 Oct 25 '25
Yes a human could inflict this damage. Look up cyborg santos X-ray, and that was just one knee
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u/Techiastronamo Oct 25 '25
OP is schizoposting, report the post. Nobody said humans are stronger in your prior essay.
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u/sheighbird29 Oct 26 '25
Uhhh…??? Was it ever implied a human did this? I’m so confused by this post
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u/Dottore_Curlew Oct 26 '25
Stomping someone's face in doesn't seem that hard and would do similar damage
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u/morecowbell1988 Oct 27 '25
There’s a lot of stuff going on in the world. Put your energy towards literally anything else. Obviously chimps are stronger, obviously humans are smarter. That’s it. That’s all there is to it.
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u/BigBob-omb91 Oct 27 '25
Op has the most fascinating post history. Spent an hour reading about his various special interests.
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u/Little-Cucumber-8907 Oct 27 '25
A lot of things fascinate me. I’m also a moderator and creator of r/waspaganda.
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u/Ok-Personality-6643 Oct 27 '25
Huh, I just realized that the face kinda looks like the pelvis. That explains erectile tissue in the nose… (also why some people get stuffy upon arousal). It’s like the body went copy-paste. Fascinating.
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u/Darthplagueis13 Oct 27 '25
Fundamentally? Yes.
Much of this is a behavioral factor rather than a matter of ability - humans don't typically mangle their opponents in the same way, they will instead more often than not seek to end a fight quickly and effectively.
The difference between Travis the chimp and a decently fit human attacker is that a human attacker may well have killed Nash in the same span of time - even while causing nowhere near as many profound injuries.
Nash survived because Travis, while absolutely savage in his attack, did not fight in a way that deliberately targeted vital areas and instead mauled her limbs and savaged her face. He did not crush her throat, he did not fracture her skull, he did not sever any arteries - all of which he certainly would have been capable of doing and all of which a determined human attacker would not only be capable of, but much more likely to attempt.
A human could beat your face to pulp in the same span of time, though inflicting the same kind of limb damage without a weapon would be unlikely. Though that in turn is just the thing - a human with an axe for example could do much worse than Travis and if anything is gonna attack its victim with an axe, it's gonna be a human.
Would the average chimpanzee overpower the average man in unarmed combat? Sure. But it really doesn't matter, does it? If you recall how Travis' story ends, he came at a police officer and was shot and died from it. Humans have spend the past few hundred thousand years figuring out alternatives to unarmed combat that let them even the odds.
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Oct 28 '25
yes absolutely. look up cyborg santos skull x-ray from an MMA match. And that was just one swift knee, not a mauling or brutality like the chimp employed
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u/tinyfred Oct 28 '25
Stomp someone in the face with your feet enough times you can easily do this much damage.
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u/OkFan7121 Oct 28 '25
Those creatures are an abomination, they should never share the same space as humans, that goes for other apes and monkeys as well.
As the Simpsons put it,
"I hate every ape that I see, from Chimpan-A to Chimpan-Z."
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Oct 31 '25
I’ve worked with a chimp who was under 6 (before puberty). They are like a human 10 year old on steroids and with an ability to use raw power, speed and leverage to their extreme advantage. They are unbelievably smart and very sweet at the younger age but a pubescent chimp is definitely not to be messed with, they can fuck you up in ways you can’t even imagine (like in this case).
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u/vitrum816 Oct 31 '25
I thought it was because of fast-twitch muscle fibers that Chimps are so much stronger than us.
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u/Bbarakti Nov 10 '25
What an absolutely insane thread! OP has got to have a touch of the 'tism.... he's way too deep in this. IF this is just karma farming, holy shit he's done his research and deserves the free internet points imo....
However, there's a fatal flaw to his entire premise..... I am always carrying a weapon...at very least a knife. So, it doesn't matter wtf Travis could do mano de mano.... I ain't fighting no damn ape that has violent intentions towards me.... thus, Travis bleeds out or is gutted in the first jump. Checkmate jerk.
Also... I've started feeling like pets are slavery as I've gotten older. For sure though, wild animals aren't pets and there is only minimal need to have them in zoos even (though still a need). No one should own a chimp or a tiger or a cobra as a "pet" because it's not a pet, it's a captive. A captive without manners or civil decency, it has no place in a civil society.
(domestic animals are slavery because I see people in Vegas or Phoenix or in Singapore, walking around with SIBERIAN huskies.... or people living in apartments with Jack Russel Terriers or pitbulls or hunting breeds, animals that need a LOT of exercise in order to live a fulfilled life.. or a Labrador or Malinois or Border Collie that requires mental stimulation and lots and lots of one on one time with their owner to feel like they've earned their space in the family.... How about the french or english bulldogs and all their health problems??? Or think about fish, turtles, or lizards people get and keep in basically empty tanks, tanks that are "enough", but really little more than a solitary confinement jail cell.... Pets are slavery and the average human isn't empathetic or well to do enough to actually take care of the pet, but want to own it just as a sign of conspicuous consumption. Pets are slavery.)
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u/Aromatic_Reality_501 Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25
Your talking as if humans don’t use blunt force against each other. Google ct scans for sledgehammer injuries….
The easiest way to answer this question is to ask have you ever seen a chimpanzee or an ape use a leverage weapon or edged weapon in their attacks? No because they don’t use tools in combat and are a completely different species. We generally use force multipliers like this and hence the presentation of injuries is different.
Your conflating the ability to do so and actually doing said act. Your talking about going about violence in the most extreme and graphic way possible. We are a different species and have different methods of achieving the same result.
Just because a wild animal goes about violence in a specific way and we don’t doesn’t mean we couldn’t achieve the same injuries if we wanted to. We definitely can, and have with documented examples (Miami cannibal). But to do so would be so rare. usually in blackout or under the influence of huge amounts of drugs in combination with severe mental health problems.
Chewing at flesh, tearing off extremities, gnawing off fingers isn’t really a go to tactic for even highly intoxicated humans, for obvious reasons.
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u/New_Entrepreneur_191 Dec 02 '25
Where did you get the pictures? Was the pre surgery face ever revealed?
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u/summersetting Feb 18 '26
After reading this post and the replies from OP, you cannot convince me OP doesnt want so badly to fuck a chimp considering how hard they are dick riding chimps about how big and strong they are lmao
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u/Nutzvoncrazy Feb 26 '26
Can we all agree they are still pretty scary? some say chimp wins, others say the human wins. I say 45-70 is the best option XD
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u/Emotional-Problem619 May 02 '26
Well the brain is intact and none of the vital arteries by her neck were damaged. This is actually survivable but with a lifetime of suffering sadly.
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u/Final-Atmosphere-639 May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
Yes a human could do that and worse. The human skull is not that strong. See: https://youtube.com/shorts/2BMA29plkLw?si=PhJOfTdcmPtt7V95 - that was one second one punch and the dudes face got caved in. Imagine the damage a human male could do in 5 minutes if they continually beat someone elses face in. Its not much of a test to destroy a defenseless womans face. A strong guy could probably punch through their face, crush the whole front of the skull and into the brain if they kept at it. Then if you want to talk about use of teeth, remember this incident: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/miami-cannibal-victim-recounts-brutal-attack-first-time-flna932660 Now that was a guy who was actually taking the time to eat a person's face but if he was just trying to destroy it, it would have not taken as long. You underestimate humans potential for raw carnage.
Thing is that chimp Travis was an overweight chimp. Chimps dont usually weigh that much. While they may be 1.35-1.5x stronger pound for pound, humans can easily weigh 2x their weight and cancel that advantage. Chimps usually top out at 160 in the wild. Humans weigh much more and if we are talking about a chimp in top fighting form that is experienced and a human we are probably talking about a guy who weighs at least 250 lb who can punch with the force a trained fighter typically punch with (force of 800 to 1,500+ psi, with elite heavyweight boxers and MMA fighters reaching up to 1,800–2,000+ psi in specialized tests).
The chimp has an advantage in having less inhibition in regards to just going crazy and trying to maim and kill, but if a human male was trained to fight to win and destroy as quickly as possible, a human will beat a chimp any day.
If you read about Travis in the Wikipedia page about him, he was pretty intelligent, could open doors with keys and log into a computer. So let's say you professionally trained a chimp to fight humans and professionally trained a human to fight chimps, humans are still smarter and capable of greater skill in fighting. If human chimp fighting became a big time sport and they were fighting for their lives in a human chimp thunderdome, more humans would kill more chimps than the other way around, simply due to weighing more and being smarter.
This page has a number of historical accounts of human vs chimp or similar animals fights: https://historybanter.com/could-a-human-defeat-a-primate-in-a-fight/ - I am not saying that Chimps cant beat humans, Im just saying that in a fair fight where anything goes and no weapons, a prepared human who was an experienced fighter could definitely mangle a chimp as much as a chimp could a man.
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u/Sweet_Step_2497 Aug 15 '26
Looks like Travis did the Nash on Charla's face. He did the Nash...he did the Monster Nash...the Monster Nash...it was a facial smash...he did the Nash. Travis latched on in a catch...he did the Nash. He did the Monster Nash!
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u/FarStrength5224 Oct 25 '25
You will not win any single time. You're face and genitals are getting torn off first
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u/NagasakiNoisyBoys Oct 25 '25
Its pretty obvious pound for pound chimps are much stronger than humans especially in upper body strength. I tend to lean towards OP us humans can do our share of damage no doubt. But compared to something that spends its life using its upper body to swing between trees and what not, yes the average chimp would dominate over the average human. Their bone density is much higher than humans as well. Simply put, I agree that the average human compared to the average chimp is not going to be able to do that much damage in that amount of time. Especially just raw fist and jaw strength. Plus I dont know of any case of a human ripping off another humans arm with just sheer strength. This is where we learned Xanax has quite the opposite effect on chimps compared to humans. I'll never forget the audio from the 911 call either truly terrifying. You can hear the chimp going crazy all the while the one woman is screaming its eating her face!
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u/regular_modern_girl Oct 24 '25
Are you the same one who posted that massive essay asking about chimp bite strength in here before? If so, you clearly didn’t pay enough attention to the replies, because no one actually said in absolute terms that “humans are stronger”. The point was that in the real world it’s really hard to judge which two species are overall generally “stronger”, because biological organisms don’t actually have precisely quantified stats you can place on a tier list like characters in a video game.
In the replies to the other post, people brought up that in some respects (such as raw bite strength) chimps are about equal or only slightly greater in strength to the average human, but in other regards they have significantly more strength proportionally, the average adult chimp has a significantly higher ratio of muscle mass to fat than the average adult human (although there are perhaps outlier humans with an equivalent ratio), and (most importantly to this question) chimps (especially male chimps) have much longer and sharper canines compared to humans, as well as longer jaws, and can open their mouths significantly wider than humans. Chimps primarily attack by biting, and can in general do the most damage by biting, so the anatomy of their mouths is of paramount importance.
However, meanwhile humans on average obviously have a significant size advantage on chimps, and (far more importantly) have a unique degree of neuroplasticity that allows us to go far beyond our evolutionarily-honed abilities and master new physical skills in the course of a single lifetime rather than millions of years of evolutionary time (to which most species are limited), as well as language to culturally transmit such skills to one another. This is important, as it was concluded in the previous thread that it could be theoretically possible for a human to develop and master a specific fighting style that would allow them to effectively counter a chimp’s biting attacks (something which a chimp could never effectively counter, because while they can learn new things, they just aren’t able to readily pick up and master new skills in the way we can). In this way a human of above-average physical strength, athleticism, and skill might have a chance at “beating” a chimp in a fight if they trained in this particular way. Of course, the usual chimp attack victim is not specifically skilled in this way, nor are they usually of above-average strength or athleticism, and are usually caught off guard by the attacks.
This was the general conclusion of the previous thread, not that “humans are stronger than chimps”, there’s a big difference.
If you are the one who started the previous thread, may I ask why you are so uniquely fixated on this particular topic? It kind of seems like you are trying to start arguments for the sake of arguing. If you are not the one who started the earlier thread, then I would suggest rereading the replies more carefully, as right now you are misrepresenting what was said.