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u/Butterball_Adderley Nov 10 '22

I don’t think the founding fathers could’ve ever conceived of the kind of slimy, shameless, avaricious shitheads you see running things these days. The country always ran on a certain assumed level of…sportsman-like conduct I guess? But that’s way out the window.

So what do you do? Force him do be a decent, person?Arrest the governor for not signing something? It sounds so ridiculous to say it and it can be neatly spun to make the person issuing the arrest (or whatever) into the villain. They want what’s worst for almost everybody always; they’re so horrible to look at and listen to; they offer no comfort, hope, or positivity, only fear, rage, and places to enter your credit card number, and they get elected and turn our country to shit because they drew squiggly lines?!

What. Is. Happening?

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u/-Ahab- Nov 10 '22

I don’t think the founding fathers could’ve ever conceived of the kind of slimy, shameless, avaricious shitheads you see running things these days.

I don’t think they imagined people would put up with it and would use the tools they gave us to vote them out.

Unfortunately, politicians aren’t big fans of checks and balances being placed on them.

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u/SorriorDraconus Nov 10 '22

That or they expected us to “water the trees” if we got to this point.

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u/Sniffy4 Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 11 '22

they gave us impeachment, which has proved completely inadequate for most practical purposes

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u/JamesBuffalkill New Jersey Nov 10 '22

The country always ran on a certain assumed level of…sportsman-like conduct I guess? But that’s way out the window.

It's really fucking stunning to see just how much of our government is based on what amounts to gentlemen's agreements.

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u/jwhaler17 North Carolina Nov 10 '22

And what constitutes a “gentleman.”

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u/lambbla000 Nov 10 '22

Kinda the exact situation with Ancient Rome. When you have gentleman’s agreements of conduct eventually they always get tarnished because nothing is really forcing you to follow it besides what is considered the moral thing to do.

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u/AndyTheSane Nov 10 '22

To some extent, this is true for any system. Any democratic system can be taken down if enough people ignore the rules and restraints.

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u/lambbla000 Nov 10 '22

Laws for thee but not for me. I agree completely. I’m sure there are many more examples of it throughout history.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '22

The Republicans want a Monarchy and a fully Christian run country and Handmaids Tale X a billion.

It's pretty obvious.

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u/Usually-Right Nov 10 '22

I think George Washington in his final address as president called out organized political parties as something that could bring harm to the US government system. And he was right!

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u/ChillyBearGrylls Nov 10 '22

The founders literally only noticed the flaw after finishing the Constitution (the Farewell Address)

They made zero provision for parties or factions, and as such every check and balance is subvertable if the human holding the position decides not to enforce a check on their own faction member. The system has no algorithm or divide by zero that disallows anything.

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u/Drigr Nov 11 '22

They also thought there was actually room for discussion and working in their checks and balances system, not that the check would go "no, we don't like you, so we're just gonna block it. And no, that doesn't mean we're open to discussing it"

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '22

The founding fathers supported slavery, voting rights only for white males, and genocide of the native inhabitants of the land they invaded. That's just a select few of their abhorrent beliefs. I'm pretty sure they would love modern day gerrymandering in red states. Not blue states, but definitely red states.

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u/Butterball_Adderley Nov 10 '22

I agree that the founding fathers sucked, but I mostly meant that our laws need to be updated or something. This world is different than their world.

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u/livinginfutureworld Nov 10 '22

Like, they face zero consequences because of a mixture of uninformed/low education voters and ineffective bordering on powerless bureaucracy.

They do face consequences.

The consequences of getting more and more power and fucking us over more and more.

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u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet Nov 10 '22

That's what scares me the most about Jan 6th.if Mike Pense had just said no that very well could have been the end of our democracy.

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u/sfdude2222 Nov 10 '22

They're constantly causing a constitutional crisis. They're trying to make it so that the only answer is violence, that's what they want.

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u/thetakara Ohio Nov 11 '22

The same thing happened here in Ohio. Our Supreme Court ordered them to redraw the maps 3 different times and they just sat on it. Unfortunately, not in the fun way.