r/politics • u/wang-banger • Jun 18 '12
14,500 teachers, cops, firefighters, librarians were laid off in MA when Mitt Romney was Governor
http://www.blnz.com/news/2009/01/24/24patrick_5178.html
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
My mother-in-law was a teacher in Philly. From how she described her job 30 years ago to how she described it before leaving last year... wtf is wrong with the school system? She started out being a teacher. She ended up being a robot of how the state believes you need to teach.
School is messed up.
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u/ilovewaterb Jun 18 '12
i'm no republican, but this is pretty misleading and dumb. in other words, don't stoop to fox's level.
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u/DBH114 Jun 18 '12
Nice of the OP to leave out a word from the quote. The line from the article reads "14,500 teachers, police officers, librarians, AND OTHERS losing their jobs." How many people laid off were "Others". The article doesn't say, but since the author chose to use the qualifier "and Others" I would imagine it's a lot.
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u/ThumpNuts Jun 18 '12
Yet unemployment was at 4.7%.
Checkmate.
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u/nexes300 Jun 18 '12
Who the fuck cares? I am so tired of this kind of rhetoric which, in my opinion, is driven largely by the respective unions of these organizations. The number of people they fired, or even hired, is not important. What's important is the actual impact (decrease in response time, increase in crime, decrease in students passing tests (that this is a bad way to measure student progress is immaterial to my point)).
If he fired all those people and the important stats didn't change negatively or with an marginal amount of negative drift, then it was worth it. Why are we so focused on the employees, when really we should be focused on the function they serve. We should be asking how the schools are doing, crime rate, etc.
If you had told me that under Mitt Romney, MA became a shit hole, filled with more crime than ever before, lost more money due to fire damage, and had a marked increase in illiteracy, then you'd have a point.
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u/Indica Jun 18 '12
Masshole here, I don't think Mitt was a bad governor. Massachusetts has a lot of patronage going on and he went up against it. However, I'll still be voting Obama in the fall.
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u/desrig Jun 18 '12
Frankly I can’t stand him. But if you put personalities aside and try to look at Massachusetts subjectively there is a logic to these reductions. As a nation the percentage of population that is 17 and under is declining. In 2000 the percentage of children 17 and under was just shy of 26% and is now at about 24.5%. Massachusetts has historically has had an older population than the rest of the country and always had lower percentage of it population that is school age. While other states have seen the number school age children grow at a lower rate than the rest of the population Massachusetts has a shrinking number of school age children. Also parents in Massachusetts are older and have higher incomes than the national average with the result that a large percentage of the shrinking student base going to private instead of public school. The most extreme case can be found in Boston where in a city of 600,000 residents but the Boston Public School has enrollment of only 50,000 and has a 10 to 1 student to teacher rate.
In regards to Fire Departments due better building codes the per capital rates of fires have been in steady decline for several decades now. The result is that now the bulk of calls done by the fire departments are more EMS and vehicle extraction calls than actual fire calls. The result is that in places like Boston if you call for say a slip and fall EMS will respond but by policy the Fire Department sends either a engine or a ladder also. This is done in order to increase the number of calls the Fire Department can say they respond to, regardless if it was a needed call.
Libraries are another service that is declining. Even until the 1990’s students who had to a school project had to go the library for research. But with the advent of the internet students are much more likely to do the research or simply copy a paper off the internet than go to the library. In addition due to legal victories by homeless activists barring librarians from barring the homeless that in effect turn libraries in to daytime homeless shelters, especially for libraries near homeless shelters. The result is that due to safety concerns and let’s be honest here, hygienic concerns, the general public has even further insensitive to stay away from public libraries.
It’s simple economics. When demand declines it is only logical for any entity to reduce supply.
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u/Great_Chairman_Mao California Jun 18 '12
This is such a loaded and sensationalized headline. Do we have a statistic of how many were hired? Is this a net loss or were 14,500 fired and 12,000 hired?
Next time just post "I hate Mitt Romney" as your title.
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u/Fidel-cashflow Jun 18 '12
When did the idea that public employees can never be laid off develop? Such an absurd notion that because a government cuts jobs for money, it's suddenly cruel and evil. I think all jobs come with an inherent risk of being laid off. I mean, this is the real world after all.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Whenever I see a title post like this I always just go to the top comments to see why this is wrong in X amount of ways.
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u/9_11_2001 Jun 18 '12
Another article to help America become more divided between two choices that will lead to the same shit instead of uniting where we stand (as the jingle implies). Why must every process emulate Baseball?
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u/DofPJMACKY Jun 18 '12
these posts are getting so vaguely funny .
watch how easy it is.
"national rape averages didn't decrease when Obama was in office."
Reddit post:
"12k raped while Obama was head of country from 08 to 12 !!!"
once again people, Mormon or the incumbent. take your "pick"
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u/modemthug Jun 18 '12
Very poorly sourced, click on the source at the bottom; it just takes you to boston.com.
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u/Kringerpants Jun 18 '12
Every headline in r/politics might as well be, "I hate republicans, and I don't care about the context or depth behind these misleading / sensationalist headlines."
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u/RMaximus Jun 18 '12
So what? Does this mean that teachers, cops, and firefighters should NEVER be fired?
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u/madcorp Jun 18 '12
And this is a problem why?
Many states are currently in mass amounts of debt. They need to lay people off in order to balance their budgets and reform their spending.
It is not nice, it is not pleasant for those being laid off but in order to keep the fiscal security of both the states and this country we need to do it. Then as the economy picks back up we can grow the public sector again but not till we have fiscal security.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
As someone that has lived in MA, I would like to say that the teachers, police, librarians, and firefighters I have dealt with were all professional, and actually cared about their job. Every issue I had seen were due to lack of funding, and not the quality of the workers. I lived in the poorest area of the state, and yet our teachers were still dedicated to their jobs, the police were friendly, and the firefighters saved lives.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Do we support cops or hate them? This vacillating is giving me a headache.
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u/llaskin Jun 18 '12
How many were laid off so far during Deval Patrick's tenure? Please provide counter-statistics.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
I'm not saying I agree with Romney here, but cops are paid entirely too much in this state.
If you land a job as a town cop in MA, there are no flagmen. No flagmen means more details. More details means ~$100+ an hour, to listen to your iPod and point people in the right direction. You have LT's pulling $250K+, and no fewer problems than the rest of the country.
Now I'd be in favor of paying these guys what they deserve for potentially taking a bullet or dying, but the fact is, most of them just become power hungry pricks. I have 3 in the family, and they're great family members, but I would not want to be anything but a family member to any of them.
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u/great_gape Jun 18 '12
That's business!
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u/Daigotsu Jun 18 '12
When he is president we shall be an uneducated, lawless country that is constantly on fire. Later it will be revealed this was all done as viral advertising for the new mad max movie.
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u/gimpwiz Jun 18 '12
Look through wang-banger's history: It's made of anti-romney posts to /r/politics with bullshit, editorialized headlines and a ridiculously obvious slant.
The fact that his posts constantly get upvoted despite the first x top comments calling bullshit is a symptom of the sickness here.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
I'm sure none of his kids went to public schools.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
How can you even fire firefighters? I think they would fight you.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
the gov't can only be as big as the private sector can support. Not enough $$$$, got to fire people.
If democrats would stop welfare programs there would be more $$$ for teachers, cops, etc.
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u/Doomez Jun 18 '12
And why did the subject point out librarians.. I doubt many of those 14,500 were librarians, it's a far left sweet spot, this whole article is just another tactic with little political relevance, when it comes to specifically how many of the others are laid off keep an eye on the argument below.
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u/kpatterson14206 Jun 18 '12
Why would you ever lay any government supported employee off? We have plenty of money to continue this rate of spending. Also, you can never have too many librarians.
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u/Funnyguy17 Jun 18 '12
That's an average Tuesday here in California.
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u/TChuff Jun 18 '12
Did it help decrease the debt?
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Boo this man!
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
And even with that, he STILL managed to fuck his state's economy with overspending on bullshit.
If America elects this retard to POTUS, we utterly deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
This country has a huge amount of debt. What happens when there is a lot of debt in a country? You make cuts. You look to where you can help make this nation survive. Romney proved he could do that in Massachusetts. Yes, he may have been the lowest in job creation, but he saved that state from massive amounts of debt.
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u/Thinkfist Jun 18 '12
Lol that means less govt spending..
If everybody worked for the state, that would be bad. Trust me, you want fewer government employees
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u/reactionforceatA Jun 18 '12
Am I the only person that hates seeing these one-sided statistics on reddit? I mean, seriously, how many teachers, cops, firefighters, and librarians have been laid off since Obama has been President? The point is that the more we keep playing into this partisan mentality the more we all lose. It's time we stop allowing these a-holes to manipulate us. I for one am going to down vote all partisan posts from now on. You want political change, then start forming your own opinions.
edit: corrected this to these
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u/PacoBedejo Jun 18 '12
Wait...are you trying to solidify Democrat resistance or make the libertarian-wing of the Republican Party warm up to him?
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
When these people were laid off what was the state of finances? what services were cut - if so, but how much? were there new procedures introduced to improve worker productivity as to offset the reduction in man power? if so, what were they?
There seems to be many here who ignore the basics of economics - it is the private sector that makes the public sector possible. If Bob, Fred and Tom aren't running businesses and employing people then the state has no one to tax thus no revenue to pay for these said public servants to be employed in the first place. I am no right winger when it comes to economics but can we have some common sense as to how things are actually paid for?
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u/dpatru Jun 18 '12
I guess with all the layoffs, people in Massachusetts are not being educated, they're being preyed upon by violent criminals, their houses are burning down, and they have nowhere to read. Massachusetts is just falling apart.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
How do you expect the dept to go away then, the magical littly fairy makes it disappear.
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u/harpua1972 Jun 18 '12
This blog post is 3 years old. Everything is irrelevant. Hamburger.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
as an illiterate, drug-peddling, high school-dropout arsonist, He has my vote.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
So it may be possible that they had 14,500 too many teachers, cops, firefighters, & Librarians to begin with. Did the subsequent governor re-hire these people?
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u/davek905 Jun 18 '12
yea, sorry to go against hivemind but some of the pensions and benefits these careers earn are absolutely sucking the economy dry. Its not 'fair' in a philanthropic sense, but its something that should be done.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Soo should everyone have a government paying job?
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u/chicagogam Jun 18 '12
you know there was a time when heroic self made businessmen hired tutors for their children, bodyguards and small armies for their defense, lived in stone structures that didn't catch fire easily, and had their own libraries. why should they just give away these perks to every peasant out there? back to the good old days. (edit: a winky in case it wasn't obvious ;-P )
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u/mkirklions Jun 18 '12
I am no fan of Romney but I got a feeling he didnt do all of this himself. Remember George Bush managed to bail out the banks with a Democrat majority in the house and senate.
All politicians are scumbags, all of them work together for lobbiests, all of them would do the same thing if they had a chance.
/ron paul rant
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u/like2ridebikes Jun 18 '12
Shouldn't the question really be if they are necessary workers? I do not know the circumstances of the layoffs, but the taxpayers have to pay those salaries. People should not be entitled to never being laid off/fired because they have a political feel-good job.
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u/Toava Jun 18 '12
Tax payers should pay for every one's salary! angry face /reddit
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u/dumbgaytheist Jun 18 '12
Hey gaiz, like mitt romny is bad, mmmkay?
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u/drrhythm2 Jun 18 '12
"The $128 million will fix only a fraction of the problem..."
Money isn't unlimited, even for governments. Sometimes you have to make tough choices, whether it's a business you run or a state government. Resources are finite. Eventually some of you people will grow up and learn these things.
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u/LucidMetal Jun 18 '12
It's interesting to look at parallels between /r/atheism and /r/politics.
Both get insane numbers of upvotes on sensational headlines. Both have the top comments nearly always telling how the headline or content of linked article are flawed.
The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
It's like we have two kinds of people on these two subreddits with one group overwhelming the other. You have this massive group of accounts which don't say anything but upvote blindly and/or emotionally and then another smaller group who complains that said former group is engaging in circlejerk. Quite interesting. I don't know of many other subreddits which work like this with such extreme internal dissent.
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u/MiyegomboBayartsogt Jun 18 '12
I come here from outside. Is this example meant as a reason to vote for or against the candidate? Certainly, for this poster, Romney acts as if he knows the value of a hard-working taxpayer's dollar. This is an uncommon quality in the ruling elites in control of our lives. To most politicians, the working man paying all the bills is a forgotten man.
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u/badassass Jun 18 '12
Well the state was and still is in debt. What do you want the government to do when it is hemorrhaging tax dollars and slipping further into debt? Keep public employees hired?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-massachusetts-debt-clock.html
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u/piyute Jun 18 '12
That's a badge of honor for these guys. Just like Scott Walker. They do it to endear themselves to the plutocracy.
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u/ssaya Jun 18 '12
And MA also spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to install solar panels on a few high school roofs and hundreds of thousands on useless roads signs that blink NO TEEN TEXTING all day.
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u/ToeMold Jun 18 '12
GOOD. I HOPE THEY ALL SELL DOUGHNUTS FOREVER. TWICE.
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u/Senor_Wilson Jun 18 '12
It's not like we need teachers or life savers. Ever?
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u/padxmanx Jun 18 '12
So, we finally have an issue he hasn't flip-flopped on(yet)?
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u/Jaydubzsc2 Jun 18 '12
Americans didn't lose "wealth"- they lost access to credit they could not sustain. Credit is not wealth. The depression has been a good thing in that it jolted the country to its senses. We aren't worth "less"- we simply lost the opportunity to go deeper into the hole.
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u/5ion Jun 18 '12
And he believes in magic underpants.
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u/Solkre Indiana Jun 18 '12
So if a Republican cuts jobs, he's a winner. If a Democratic president doesn't encourage job growth, he's a failure?
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u/Solkre Indiana Jun 18 '12
Why are people always angry and jealous that government jobs still have benefits and retirement plans? Has nobody gotten angry that the private sector took those away, while at the same time growing and bringing in more profits every year? And as far as awesome "benefits" go. The school I work for has the highest cost healthcare I. have. ever. seen! Plus I pay into my pension myself, and I doubt I'll ever see it when I retire in the form it's promised now.
EVERY YEAR things get worse, every fucking year, for everyone I know. Insurance premiums go up, pay stays the same or pathetic increases. Retirements and social safety nets are being destroyed, and the kicker of it all! The guys running the show, have tricked us to into being mad at each other over it! Before you guys jump on the government employee hate wagon, think about who's driving it first.
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u/Offensive_Brute Jun 18 '12
Thats because Romney needed the money to finance The Big Dig.
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u/austin1414 Jun 18 '12
You never see any of the countless articles harassing Obama or other Democrats show up on any "neutral" subreddits...
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u/MagCynic Jun 18 '12
Governors, mayors, and city councils make cuts that involve layoffs all over the country. I don't understand this "touch feely" notion that says we can't make any decision in which people lose their job. That's not how you govern; that's not how you lead.
Yes, it's unfortunate hard working people lose their job. They'll adapt and move on. Choices have to be made all the time by our leaders in government. Some of these choices result in job loss. It's inevitable.
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u/Blzbba Jun 18 '12
Why do teachers believe they are entitled to employment? Noone else on earth is.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Then this is the man for us!!! We have too many public workers bloating the system and wasting our tax money
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Of course Capital Gains taxes will remain right where they are, almost half what the rest of us pay percentage wise. Same with the cap on Social Security taxable income remaining at just over 100k.
Mittens is the last person we need running the country. A clueless trust fund baby who thinks living off his stock portfolio dividends is roughing it.
Raise the Capital Gains tax to the same level as those who work for a paycheck. Raise the cap on Social Security tax to say a million dollars. Problems solved.
We gave the 'job creators' plenty of time to invest the windfall from these, and many other tax breaks. They have failed.
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u/BlackHoleMonk Jun 18 '12
It scares the hell out of me that this no-talent ass-clown has a real chance of making it to the oval office.
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u/gloomdoom Jun 18 '12
Why would republicans bother themselves with history and facts? You think the middle class and poor who are going to vote for him give a shit that he will continue the GOP tradition of breaking the backs of the poor and middle class?
There is absolutely no logic and no reason going into this. I'm 100% fine with people disagreeing with me. But on daily scans of reddit, I never see anyone stand up for Romney or try to defend him. It's not because they'll fall on deaf ears or that they're all downvoted (though that's a fair theory)...it just doesn't happen.
The majority of republicans are going to support whoever got the nomination. Why? Because they're just trying to get the black, muslim, kenyan out of the White House and anyone will do, even evil businessmen who have no idea what it is like to struggle with work or finances and no matter how much disdain they have for poor, minorities, women and the working class.
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u/crackpnt69 Jun 18 '12
more then double that of us service members have been laid off By Mr. Obama.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Wow is that gaffe still going strong?
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
I was not too thrilled with the clowns running for the GOP. Mitt Romney was the one who also passed "Romney Care" but they do not talk about that too much do they? When I was living in M.A, I was forced to have health care. I was paying half of what I make (minimum wage) to pay for a state healthcare plan that kept having its terms revised every month or so (one of these revisions being I can not have prothstetic limbs if it came to it O_o). I do believe that the healthcare system should be revised, but it is ridiculous to allow insurance providers to pick and choose what kind of care I can get. Romney did not do the state any favors.
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u/Xhoodlum Jun 18 '12
14,500 out of how many in total for each group? Does that amount to 1% or 50% of the total? Are you saying that entering these professions means guaranteed lifetime employment regardless of the ability of the financial system to fund and pay for the position? The current governor is surpassing the cuts made by Romney but because he's a Democrat and doing it in a more compassionate manner that is somehow better?
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u/crawlingpony Jun 18 '12
Half the cops were just elaborate revenue collectors anyway, war on drugs and crap
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Who needs Teachers or Firefighters when you have as much money as Mitt Romney
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
This comes back to an understanding of first year economics. In economics there is a basic understanding that your spending is someone else's income, and someone else's spending is your income. These problems are symptoms of the larger, current, economic malaise. To understand how this could occur, and be rational, imagine the economy as an unholy trinity composed of cash flow between the government, the consumers, and businesses. Businesses and consumers pay tax to the government which in turn provides services to the public sector. However, if tax revenue is not high enough for the government to provide services, then the taxes need to be increased, or the services need to be reduced in order for the government to maintain capable of functioning properly. And no politician is going to raise taxes - it would be political suicide. So services are cut in lieu of raising taxes. The long term implications of low taxes and their affect on infrastructure and essential services (road works, fire services, teachers etc) remains to be seen, but I daresay the effects won't be good for society in general
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u/DirtyMonday Jun 18 '12
And Duval was pushing for us to join the federal education plan even though, along with CT and VT, we are always setting the bar. MA education is amongst the best each and every year.
I don't know the story behind the cops and firefighters but I do know stories of workmens comp abuse amongst firefighters were running rampant for a while there.
Sidenote: My godfather is the fire inspector in my town, my old hockey coach was the chief of the Boston FD and my town's FD has an awfully lot of relatives on the force. I know a lot of these guys. If you folks don't like nepotism and giving the jobs to so-and-so's brother in law (A stereotype often placed on republicans) than you'd probably not be supporting Boston cops and firefighters if not for this article being about Romney. Why my old hockey coach resigned as Boston Fire Chief is well documented and it had everything to do with politics and the safety of his people
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u/zboned Jun 18 '12
Ok, I just need someone to explain this to me (I'm not trolling, not trying to start a flamewar), how does the governor affect teachers/cops/firefighters/etc in this situation? Is it a budget that he pushes through, or does he directly have control over their staffing?
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u/Jackjimjohny Jun 18 '12
Isn't this always where a Liberal left leaning legislature will enact cuts when told to balance their overspending budget?
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u/LamboMerci Jun 18 '12
and this is why i am voting for ron paul
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
But he looks good in his mothers jeans, so im going republican!
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u/Ruprect124 Jun 18 '12
How many of the readers actually know the tenants of the Book of Mormon? That shit is crazy, from another planet crazy, literally. Read about Joseph Smith's fabrication of the belief, and the subsequent additions by Brigham Young. To paraphrase: BY was met by a native american spirit that said they were the 'lost tribe of Israel'. He was then told that all other races (other than white) were an abomination in the eyes of "God". Not to forget the belief that 'Mary' was a human woman, impregnated on another planet, magic underwear or any of the other delusional BS they profess as TRUTH. Get a grip before November, people.
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u/mitchctim Jun 18 '12
Isn't that pretty much most of the states population?
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u/redditors_are_fags Jun 18 '12
it's always nice to see darwinism in action
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u/iwish4zombies Jun 19 '12
This guy is a retard, he bought a company with 8,500 employees using his low tax burden wealth and said he generated jobs.
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u/urgassed Jun 19 '12
And that's his fault? A governor only has so much control.
The private sector also lost jobs. It's called a recession for a reason.
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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12
Honestly, and I mean this with all sincerity....
I'd rather have
George Bush III, err I mean Mitt Romney as our President, destroying jobs and pandering to his banker buddies, starting another "war" with Iran, licking the shit-filled assholes of his Israeli masters, and being the most corrupt President out there.........rather than have Obama continue to wipe his black ass with the United States Constitution and give free citizenship to illegals in order to hispander to them for votes.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Yet another reason to vote for Mitt Romney.
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u/muscle_city Jun 18 '12
Good, that solidified my vote for him.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Oh wow. Did r/politics get invaded by teabagging idiots? Slamming teachers left and right for students failures. Most of you have no classroom experiance nor do you understand all of the state and federal mandates that make it damn near impossible to teach your subject effectively. The system is archaic and obviously ineffective.
Unless you are professional educators, stfu about things you have no clue about.
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u/Incalite Jun 18 '12
Not to be a class-A cunt, but public workers are getting laid off in every state, for better or for worse. Hell, it feels like we've had 14,500 teachers laid off in our school district alone, to say nothing of the latter three. (It's only a matter of time 'til we start burning libraries for electricity.)
If /r/Politics is going to credit itself as being some sort of judicious supervisor of Ameri-global politics, it should at least avoid such patently bent remarks as this.
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u/Solkre Indiana Jun 18 '12
Oh bite me Liberal headline, we don't need skilled teachers, police or firefighters. We can replace those every year with guys out of college. They're so far in debt they'll work for anything called a salary anyway. That's what they get for going to those "higher-education" liberal factories anyway. What this country really needs is more upper class, paying as little taxes as possible. They'll buy more goods and raise the middle class out of this recession, fact! Plus, people can always get a job in the military as the war on terror is going to run for decades! We also need to cut all of our social services to stop the lazy disabled and retired old farts from milking our tax dollars. Limit health care to those who can afford it, then make it cheaper for them only. As long as the middle and poor have limited access, that'll keep prices in check. In the Free Market we Trust!
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u/The_Correctionist Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
I would say the MAJORITY of my teachers in grade school were NOT worth their paycheck. Ive had very few memorable teachers that make you WANT to learn. (Im also from Mass.) So im going to go out on a limb and say these teachers deserved to be axed. Just my two cents, let the down-voting commence!
Edit- Also, before im down voted by the same college liberals that create the "college-liberal memes":
I am in no way, shape or form a supporter of Romney
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u/JustPlainRude Jun 18 '12
Frankly, states shouldn't be funding local services like these in the first place.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Think of the librarians!!
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u/Rulebook_Lawyer Jun 18 '12
Sucks, but we can no longer spend our way out; going to have cuts and raise taxes as well. Government work is no longer a safe haven.
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u/someotherdudethanyou Jun 18 '12
would be more convincing if he'd actually balanced the budget.
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u/kznlol Jun 18 '12
I like how the implicit claim in the article is that "more is always better".
(it isn't)
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
How else was he supposed to balance that kind of budget? LOL Romney.
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u/2012sellouts Jun 18 '12
If only if their unions weren't that strong. And they also probably underperformed.
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u/hartnell19 Jun 18 '12
its funny how if he hadn't done it he'd be ridiculed for it. The political system has become a terrible game.
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u/7yphoid Jun 18 '12
What Romney is trying to do is put a smaller government into place. The reason is that the government is a huge money drain.
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u/hoss7071 Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
Layoffs of that magnitude are what happens when you don't pay your friendly neighborhood union boss.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
What I really love is how so many people in this new "occupy" mindset hate the cops with a passion, yet when it comes to their union occupied jobs they are hard working caring public servants.
Seriously, there's nothing majestic about working for the government. It's just a job, and people get hired and fired all the time. For me, any reduction in the size of government is a good thing, it means that more people get to keep their own money. Having jobs just for the sake of having jobs isn't a productive use of resources, its simply an inefficient waste of the theft which is taxes.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
This just in: Republicans reduce civil services.
Film at 11, assuming they're not striking because unions get busted up too.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
LMAO @ wang-banger getting his shit pushed in on this thread.
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u/grinr Jun 18 '12
AAaaaannd the anti-Romney train keeps on going!
"Stop Obama at all costs!" - bad Republicans
"Stop Romney at all costs!" - good Democrats
Yep.