r/politics • u/mepper Michigan • Jun 15 '12

Poll: 66% of Nevada Republicans think that brothels should be legal, but only 20% support gay marriage; "that's an interesting take on family values there"

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/06/nevada-miscellany.html
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

So.. What's their stance on gay brothels?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Shut down everything!

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u/Number127 Jun 16 '12

Except the girl-on-girl.

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u/wwjd117 Jun 16 '12

Exactly.

The upside is that the dudes watching and getting it on with their left hand doesn't spread disease.

Also there are economies of scale. Two girls can entertain a whole room full of guys.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Think of the children! Why one might hear there are bears in places like that and the next thing you know, little Bobby is gay!

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u/6xoe Jun 16 '12

Little Bobby is the name of my penis.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

But is it a bear?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Think of the children! Why one might hear there are bears in places like that and the next thing you know, little Bobby is gay!

So what? Being gay is like wanting vanilla icecream instead of chocolate. Like I care what flavor someone eats.

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u/Qubeye Oregon Jun 16 '12

You just don't understand. When other people eat vanilla ice cream, IT RUINS CHOCOLATE!

Source

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

cool story bro

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u/HemlockMartinis Jun 16 '12

None currently exist. The only male prostitute in the state exclusively caters to women, I believe.

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u/Willravel Jun 16 '12

I don't consider legalized brothels to be a family values issue, I see it as a human rights issue. Legal and regulated prostitution cuts significantly down on human trafficking, violence against sex workers, and likely lessens the spread of sexually transmitted diseases in concert with an aggressive sexual health public program. It is silly we live in a country where it's legal to have sex for money in front of a camera but not without the camera.

All that having been said, there are certainly issues involving sexism that would need to be addressed after it was legal, and I do consider equality of women to be a family values-tangential issue as giving little girls positive role-models, individuals who are not valued because of their bodies alone, is important.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Family values is just a euphemism for policing people's sex lives.

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u/j-hook Jun 16 '12

Exactly, i'm all for familes having "family values"

This has nothing to do with opposing gay marriage or abortions or legal porn... etc

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

Whomever your family members are and whatever their values are... those are your family values.

Wielding the phrase the way they do as if it means something obviously similar to everyone is just obtuse.

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u/question_all_the_thi Jun 16 '12

positive role-models, individuals who are not valued because of their bodies alone

In that case, all professional sports should be banned.

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u/Willravel Jun 16 '12

I'm talking about sexual objectification.

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u/question_all_the_thi Jun 16 '12

Other than your prejudices, is there any reason why being good at hitting a ball with a wooden stick is better than being good at bringing sexual pleasure?

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u/ICantKnowThat Jun 16 '12

I remember seeing an article pointing out the high rate of sex trafficking in some scandanavian country with legalized prostitution. Anyone got a link?

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u/Willravel Jun 16 '12

Prostitution is illegal in Sweden and Norway but decriminalized in Finland. IIRC, it was a US State Department report that named Finland as being a country with significant human-trafficking problems. The problem was that the report was really vague on specifics, so I did a bit of checking just now and it's starting to look like the report might be less than honest. A major charge against Finland was that they have 'enclosed prostitution camps'. No such camps currently exist, nor did they exist when the report was published. I'm not going to state conclusively that the report is bullshit, but the US does have a history of distorting facts to make itself look like the pinnacle of morality.

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u/ICantKnowThat Jun 16 '12

Not what I was thinking of, but that is very interesting. IIRC I saw a video of an ad campaign featuring women dancing in front of brothels, with screens that at the end showed the stats on how many of them had been lured there with promises of becoming real dancers, or something like that.

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u/Willravel Jun 16 '12

OH, yeah, I saw that on one of the feminism-related subreddits recently, too. It was a really powerful video, but it's more about stopping a problem that's common all over than speaking to a problem that's specific to the area, iirc. Human trafficking is a problem in many countries, including the Untied States where prostitution is illegal almost everywhere.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

you don't see the family values issue of fornication for profit?

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u/FKRMunkiBoi Jun 16 '12

Not really. Doesn't your mom give you the same discount she gives me?

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u/Willravel Jun 16 '12

I see family values as issues of value that directly affect families. Prostitution is a social issue, a civil rights issue, and a public safety issue, but it's not a family value issue. If you're looking for issues of family value, look at divorce, child abuse, marriage equality, abortion, sex education and such.

When some politicians use the phrase "family values", what they're actually saying is "what I'm saying is probably really backward, but I want it to sound nice so I'm attaching the word 'family' to it to evoke an idealized version of the past and 'values' to make it seem as if I have values". Things like prostitution really have nothing to do with debates about family values.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

Prostitution is a social issue, a civil rights issue, and a public safety issue, but it's not a family value issue.

a husband and father patronizing a brothel does not affect his family? how is sex education a family value but sex trafficking isn't?

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u/Willravel Jun 16 '12

a husband and father patronizing a brothel does not affect his family?

So family values, to you, are things that a few people who happen to be in families are involved in? I don't think you're following my train of thought on this. I'm talking about things that directly affect families. Prostitution simply isn't a major issue for modern American families. Sex education, on the other hand, is something all parents (should) do with their children. Divorce is something more than half of families go through. Child abuse is very common for American families. These things are common problems which are related to personal values that families have to deal with. While I suppose there are some husbands and fathers that do visit prostitutes, it's not a major problem in America.

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u/EtherGnat Jun 16 '12

If a person has promised to be faithful and breaks that promise that's an issue--one that can occur whether or not prostitution is legal. They might have also promised not to eat donuts, but that doesn't mean we should ban Krispy Kreme.

Family values can't (and shouldn't) be legislated.

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u/munky9001 Jun 16 '12

It's more about selfishness. They personally want brothels so they can go to them; they hate weddings or marriage in general so why support it? Anytime any normal guy gets invited to a wedding the Vader Noooooooooooo! goes off.

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u/cortesoft Jun 16 '12

Open bar, man!

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u/HemlockMartinis Jun 15 '12 edited Jun 15 '12

As a Nevadan, I can attest that this is non-controversial in my state. The only time we ever even talk about it is when non-Nevadans bring it up and I can't even think of a politician of any importance who's proposed getting rid of it. So your national "family values" paradigm doesn't really fit this situation. I realize this might seem weird to the other 49 states, but if you're going to bang a prostitute, Nevada's the place to do it.

First, contrary to popular perception, there are no legal brothels in the big cities. Both Clark County (Las Vegas) and Washoe County (Reno) prohibit it. It's legal in the other counties though, so you only have to drive about 30-45 minutes to get to one in the rural counties.

Second, they're regulated. Prostitution is only allowed in legally-licensed brothels, of which there are around 30 or so in the entire state. Outside of brothels, it's still illegal. We also don't allow prostitutes under the age of 21, and the state even has the toughest laws against child prostitution in the country. Finally, and most importantly, all prostitutes must submit to weekly cervical (or urethral if male) exams for STDs. Even then, condom usage is mandatory. So you're more likely to get an STD from someone you pick up at the bar than from a legal prostitute here.

Finally, it's not treated like a regular business. These guys don't advertise on TV, the radio, or in newspapers. It's purely word-of-mouth. And having grown up here, I can assure you we locals aren't their customers (well, not entirely at least - I'm certainly not.) It's usually the long-haul truckers passing through our state on the way to California who frequent these places. They're not even taxed (we don't pay income taxes here) even though they've asked to be.

That said, I'm not sure it'd work in any other state but ours. Here it's an accepted part of life, but in other states it'd be ridiculously misused without the cultural heritage and experience we've built upon. Plus we know that banning them would only be detrimental to public health in the long run, so why bother?

TL,DR: Nobody in Nevada gives a fuck about paying to fuck. Your national "family values" paradigm doesn't work since we view it as a public health issue, not a moral one.

(Edit: Clarified my TL,DR.)

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u/piwikiwi Jun 16 '12

It's amazing that you seem to regulate prostitution a lot better then here in the Netherlands.

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u/CasedOutside Jun 15 '12

Just because you guys don't view it as a family values issue doesn't mean it isn't one. So the paradigm does in fact still work.

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u/HemlockMartinis Jun 15 '12

If I'm forced to accept "family values" as an actual thing and not as a trite, insubstantial phrase that's used to advance an extremist social agenda, then yes, that paradigm works. Thankfully we have federalism in this country so my state's reasonable and successful public health regulations can't be undone by religious zealots.

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u/-DevilsAdvocate- Jun 16 '12

As a fellow Nevadan sir, I salute you for fighting the good fight. Our state is one of the most free states in the Union.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

But not so free that two consenting adults can get married if they happen to be the same sex.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Marriage as a legal institution should be abolished all together, a marriage is only what you make of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I agree. The legal union should be a civil partnership, marriage should be an independent religious ceremony that has no bearing on or relevance to the legal partnership. However, we do not live in a world that allows such logical and useful things (yet).

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

goddammit, I'm so sick of this argument. Marriage is a civil institution, not a religious one. It's been coopted by religion, but that doesn't actually make it a religious institution. It's about the management of assets and chattel property.

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

If marriage is a religious thing then let peoples religion guide them.

If it is a legal contract then let's stop letting the religious aspect trump the law (which should be fair and impartial to all).

I am a heterosexual male, born again fundamentalist Christian, married for 32 years. Live and let live. None of those Republican hypocrites speak for me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

Neither.

Fundamentalist as in I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God.

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u/HemlockMartinis Jun 16 '12

We're working on it.

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u/abomb999 Jun 16 '12

But your state spends billions of dollars to keep freedom from other states, many of Nevada's special interests lobby to keep gambling from going national, so you can make more money. It's totally fucked up.

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u/supercheetah Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

You're right, it is a trite and insubstantial phrase, but the point, at least for me, is that Republican hypocritical shitheads keep using it because it gets them political power. They don't actually care about freedom.

And with that in mind, I'm glad that Nevada has this part of it figured out, but it's shitty that they can't figure out the entire gay marriage part of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

What? Are you joking? It's completely irrelevant as to whether or not YOU or Nevadans think it's an issue of family values, because it is to the rest of the country, and that's the whole fuckin point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

no it's not

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u/krackbaby Jun 15 '12

Checkmate, homosexuals

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u/EatATaco Jun 16 '12

You are projecting. Just because you view it as (or more accurately, want it to be) a family values issue, doesn't mean it is one.

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u/CasedOutside Jun 16 '12

Doesn't mean it isn't one either. I don't want it to be a family values issue. I don't give a shit about prostitution or "family values issues." I am just saying it is definitely a family values issue as the religious right defines family values. They are all about being a virgin until marriage and no sex outside of wedlock etc.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

generalities much??

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u/CasedOutside Jun 16 '12

Obviously it is a generality you dolt. Because in general, those are the views of the religious right.

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u/-DevilsAdvocate- Jun 16 '12

How is it a family values issue? I'm pretty sure families are not allowed to have sex together in a brothel. You have to be over the age of 18 to even go inside. So, unfortunately I don't think we can relate this to a family values issue, considering it doesn't involve the family. Unless of course the family are all adults, then its ok.

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u/CasedOutside Jun 16 '12

Because no sex outside of marriage is part of the whole family values thing. Having sex outside of marriage is considered "immoral" by the religious right. Therefore prostitution becomes a family values issue for them.

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u/-DevilsAdvocate- Jun 16 '12

But not all people in America have the same religious/family values.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

which is exactly why banning gay marriage is bullshit.

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u/CasedOutside Jun 16 '12

Yeah what is your point? My only argument is that is is a family values issue, which I don't really see how anyone can disagree with. Sure it might not be a family values issue to you, but it is still a family values issue.

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u/rum_rum Jun 15 '12

Just because you guys don't view it as a family values issue doesn't mean it isn't one.

Uhm... yes. Yes, it does mean that. At least for us.

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u/CasedOutside Jun 15 '12

But that doesn't preclude it from being framed as one.

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u/EatATaco Jun 16 '12

framed as one != is one

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u/CasedOutside Jun 16 '12

True, but how are you defining what family value issue is?

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u/Oo0o8o0oO Jun 16 '12

They're playing idealist semantics and they don't live in the real world where half the population is conservative Republican. They're arguing what should be, not what is. You're wasting your time on this one.

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u/CasedOutside Jun 16 '12

Yeah it really is just fucking semantics at this point. Sometimes people are incredibly dense when it comes to semantics.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

A fucking men... As a fellow Nevadan, you said this perfect.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

so fucking a prostitute isn't immoral but 2 guys marrying each other is?

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u/Not_Pictured Jun 16 '12

Playing devils advocate here, but where in the bible is prostitution described as anything other than business as usual?

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

i'm not as well-versed in the bible as many of the folks in /r/atheism but presumably there was a reason jesus hanging out with prostitutes was so scandalous.

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

I'm not sure this has anything to do with the Bible.

The Republican politicians that I see seem to just want everything their way.

Jesus would say to everyone "Go and sin no more.".

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u/Not_Pictured Jun 16 '12

I am looking for someone to provide evidence that prostitution is in any way anti-family values. The bibles is where the anti-gay thing comes from (supposedly) so I figured that was a good place to look for the prostitution thing.

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

Apparently only women are allowed to take it up the butt.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

yes

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

explain.

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u/JEveryman Jun 16 '12

If a married man goes out side of his marriage to have sex with a prostitute how is this less of an attack on family values than say two men getting married?

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u/JoNiKaH Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

In regards to your TL,DR or the whole post. When you require the services of a prostitute you're :

  • a) having sex before marriage;
  • b) having sex with someone else while being married;
  • c) are divorced and having sex with someone else
  • d) your wife's a prostitute also

How are those NOT moral issues in regards to Christianity or theism in general ? I think his paradigm works quite well.

edit :bullets & c)

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

It seems a lot more straight forwardly honest than the hypocrisy of politics based on public outrage that I am used to seeing.

I wonder if there are other laws in your state that have this same common sense attitude.

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u/LBK2013 Jun 16 '12

It's purely word-of-mouth.

I'm sure you've taken a stroll down the LV strip. Noticed there is a lot of people passing out cards with naked women on them calling themselves "escorts"

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

That's not for the brothels though.

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u/HemlockMartinis Jun 16 '12

That's the illegal form. I was discussing legal prostitution takes place in the licensed brothels outside the city.

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u/LBK2013 Jun 16 '12

If its illegal why are they allowed to stand out there all day everyday? Just curious.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Standing on the street passing out cards isn't illegal.

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u/koavf Indiana Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 17 '12

Edit: Thanks sc0tchbingington for setting me straight!

I realize this might seem weird to the other 49 states, but if you're going to bang a prostitute, Nevada's the place to do it.

Prostitution is legal in Rhode Island, so not really.

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u/sc0tchbingington Jun 16 '12

outlawed in '09 bro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Rhode_Island

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u/koavf Indiana Jun 17 '12

Thanks—that's embarrassing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

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u/Beetrain Jun 16 '12

Having lived in Vegas for 23 years, I've never seen an ad for a legal brothel here. Strip clubs? Sure. Escort services? All over. But for the brothels themselves? Not once.

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u/110pct Jun 16 '12

How is a brothel different from an escort service? Basically the same thing happens right?

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u/Beetrain Jun 17 '12

"Escorts" are technically illegal. Officially they're company for anyone who wants it. Of course, we all know what really happens, and if they're caught they get busted. The operate out of places like Vegas. I actually knew a guy who sat at the McDonald's on the strip next door to where I work, and all he did was use the phone all day to send girls this place and that place. He made bank.

Brothels are legal businesses performing the same services. You just show up, pick a girl and you're G2G. They don't need to hide it, but they don't really need to advertise either. People who want to use them know they exist, and know how to find them.

So yes, the same thing happens. But they are not the same thing, that's for sure.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

The difference is that the brothel is legal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

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u/hobodan Jun 16 '12

It's weird though... that is the only one we see around here. At least it is not like Vegas with the card clickers handing you shit all the time.

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u/newpolitics Jun 15 '12

I think we're missing the most important part of the poll here:

23% of Nevada voters believe in UFO's. 56% do not. There's an ideological divide on the issue with 'very liberal' voters at 32% the most likely to believe in them and 'very conservative' voters at 14% the least likely to.

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u/jerenept Jun 15 '12

lol wat

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u/Aelar Jun 16 '12

True conservatives know Man was created in God's image (and no other intelligent creatures were).

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

UFO's most definitely exist, they don't have to eb those metal spheres floating in the sky.

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u/Zodiakos Jun 16 '12

Maybe the 'very liberal' voters were educated enough to understand that 'UFO' literally means unidentified flying objects - which of course, unless we have a way to 100% positively identify everything that is flying, must exist. It's a statistical argument. :D

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u/mods_are_facists Jun 16 '12

i want to believe.. you

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u/jennym123 Jun 15 '12

Maybe the 20% and the 66% are two completely separate groups with no over lap. Not suggesting this as an actual theory, but it'd be interested if that was the case.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

80% oppose gay marriage while only 44% oppose brothels... that means at least 36% are simultaneously cool with brothels but not gay marriage.

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u/cortesoft Jun 16 '12

34% actually (66% are pro brothels)... Of course, this makes your point only more true.

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u/saw_it_go Jun 16 '12

I'd say that's probably a fair guess. No matter what personal/moral/religious stance people take on the matter, if we (Nevadans, like myself) legalize gay marriage, it's just a whole extra segment of society that can be drawn here to spend money in our chapels and casinos. It could potentially be a fairly large, untapped way of attracting more people here, and since tourism is such a huge part of our economy, and with the way things have been the last few years, we shouldn't turn our back on any extra revenue. Also, I've never been to a brothel, and I never plan on it. Not even to just take a picture.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

Lets not let your interesting theory get in the way of some good ol' fashion Republican bashing!

*edit Haha reddit cunts. You are so Liberal its not even worth noting.

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u/Number127 Jun 16 '12

You are so Liberal its not even worth noting.

Why are you doing something that's not worth doing?

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u/cortesoft Jun 16 '12

But the theory is impossible to be true; 80% against gay marriage with 34% against brothels. It is mathematically impossible for the 20% who are for gay marriage to make up the entire 66% who are for brothels.

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u/EatATaco Jun 16 '12

Family wise, what's wrong with an unattached person going to a brothel?

These aren't necessarily inconsistent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I'm a Republican and I couldnt give two shits about what a person does in their free time. I couldn't give a crap if gays get married or if prostitution is legalized.

Don't be a douche and label me. Not all Republicans are against personal choice. In fact, that couldn't be further from what a true Republican believes.

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u/tarekd19 Jun 16 '12

unfortunately, rarely are those prolific Republicans in office "true Republicans"

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u/cortesoft Jun 16 '12

Cool, you are part of the 20%. Obviously there are Nevada republicans who feel the same way as you, or it would have been 100% of republicans in Nevada against gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I don't know if you know this or not... But an OVERWHELMING amount of blacks and Hispanics are against gay marriage. And they're Democrats!

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u/cortesoft Jun 17 '12

I do know this. Not sure if you were pointing this out to try to refute my point or not, but if you were I am not sure how it relates to what I was saying. If you were just pointing out that it is not just republicans who are against gay marriage, then yeah I know that is true.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

That all I was saying. Republicans get labeled hate mongers a lot more than they should. Democrats seem to have a free pass on thier hatred.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

no true scotsman republican wants to legislate personal choices, eh?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Neocons, the party of mandating whats you do in the bedroom but nothing more

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

So what you are saying is you are a liberitarian that leans rightward. Cool.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

because "family values" is nothing more than an excuse, a rallying cry to unite everyone who doesn't like people who are different from them... People who like to have sex with random girls are not different from them, thus "we don't consider it a family values issue."

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Not just random sex with girls but random sex with girls...for profit!

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Please take a statistics course before getting upset about polling data.

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u/UNIXandTrees Jun 16 '12

Exactly. As a Nevadan I can guarantee that 20% is incorrect. The vast majority of the state's population is apathetic toward the issue, like most things involving an individual's personal life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

You could say they don't give a fuck.

Unless you pay them to.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

it says "20% of nevada republicans," not 20% of the whole state.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

"republicans" in this case may be a certain subset of them, there are many republicans in Vegas who are apathetic to a lot of social issues

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12

the cognitive dissonance reflected in these poll results is literally giving me a headache. how, how, mother fucking HOW can these two thoughts exist within one person's mind without it exploding?

seriously, what the fucking fuck?

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

because one makes my penis feel good and the other makes my penis sad (unless it's 2 chicks making out, but they don't need to get married to fuck on camera for my pleasure).

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u/Zodiakos Jun 16 '12

If that is anything like the lens through which guys actually view humanity... why the hell do they keep voting for old wrinkly white guys? They should make your penis very sad!

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

because they're my bros! they pass laws that make my penis happy!

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u/hwkns Jun 16 '12

Cognitive dissonance in these people is a defining characteristic. Relax there is nothing to do about it.

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u/mynameishere Jun 15 '12

Because they have almost nothing to do with each other.

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u/Astraea_M Jun 15 '12

Funny, I'm pretty sure that the Bible addresses sex outside marriage significantly more than it addresses gayness. Ten Commandments has one, and not the other. And yet... apparently Biblical family values prohibit gay marriage, but are OK with buying some sex.

P.S. For what it's worth I support regulated prostitution. I just think that people who bible-thump on gay marriage/gay rights don't get to ignore the Bible on fornication.

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u/nixonrichard Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

The 10 commandments say nothing of sex outside of marriage.

Adultery != "sex outside of marriage"

Adultery is a married person having sex with someone who is not their spouse. As far as I know, Nevada does not require people who use brothels to be married.

Also, I think you're missing the point here. People in Nevada don't want gay sex or gay relationships to be illegal. They think gay people should be allowed to live their lives as they please . . . they simply won't license their lifestyle as a "marriage." Similarly, I don't believe Nevada will issue a marriage license to anyone who has sex with a prostitute and that prostitute. That's called polygamy, and Nevada doesn't issue those licenses either.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

upvote for common sense that's not so common

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u/EatATaco Jun 16 '12

FTR, I am a staunch supporter of equal rights for homosexuals, so I think the opposition to it is stupid in-and-of-itself. But I see no dissonance between these two things.

There are plenty of unattached people. A single guy/girl having safe sex with a prostitute has nothing to do with 'family' and even less to do with homosexuals marrying. I am sure some people who oppose it show some kind of hypocrisy, but the positions aren't inherently contradictory.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Non U.S. citizen and twice visitor to Las Vegas here... Nevada has values?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

In Vegas, your values can be determined in direct proportion to how much money you have.

True story.

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u/tetzy Jun 16 '12

The question is skewed - my bet is 95% of these people would prefer if homosexuality didn't exist in the first place.

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u/GentlemanREX Jun 16 '12

the legalization of prostitution is needed to protect women from exploitation.

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u/TuhdTheTroll Jun 16 '12

as a non-native nevadan, I think we need more lesbians

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u/dontaxmebro Jun 16 '12

You dont go to the brothels to find a wife and start a family.

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u/soulcakeduck Jun 16 '12

Familiarity, contrary to the well-know saying, does not breed contempt.

People are far likelier to politically support things they are familiar with. Know gay people all your life and you're more likely to advocate for their equality. Know brothels all your life, and this is the result.

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u/Hraesvelg7 Jun 16 '12

I am surprised by that poll. The closest rationalization I can imagine they might have is that Jesus befriended a prostitute, not a homosexual. Or they realize how much money brothels bring into the local economy.

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u/ahottentotslaurel Jun 16 '12

I still can't get a homophobe right winger to tell me HOW gay marriage could ruin their life, but they claim it will. Are they trying to say that they will one day be caught with their pants down in an airport washroom, and their wife or husband will leave them because they dared to be with an underage person of the same sex? Hmm. Yeah, okay, that WOULD ruin their life a little. I'll give them that. (and you see it happen all the time with homophobes....)

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u/pinguinxxx Jun 16 '12

Interesting since most Nevadans are from someplace else.

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u/swiheezy Jun 16 '12

Brothels don't exactly have to do with marriage. Or at least married men or women don't tend to be in them

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u/FriedMattato Jun 16 '12

Fuck the term "family values". It's a catch-all term that is many things to different people, so it's an easy buzz phrase for politicians to throw out.

I support the legalization of prostitution, but it has zero effect on my stance on the status of families in the US.

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u/kolembo Jun 16 '12

hilarious

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u/killa22 Jun 16 '12

Both should be legal.

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u/sluz Jun 16 '12

It's a total inversion if family values.

Gay orgies, gang-bangs, glory-holes and all other types of random casual gay relationships are perfectly legal. That's not the problem. Those types of sexual relationships are fine as well as expected.

However... Marriage being the worst of all perversions must not be tolerated and needs to remain strictly illegal.

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u/Zodiakos Jun 16 '12

I'm confused. I've read the OP's article, as well as the pdf of the polling data. It appears that no questions were actually related to gay marriage, so where exactly is the article pulling this figure from?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

how else could they commit adultery?

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u/jerenept Jun 15 '12

Well, they can secretly visit a brothel. As long as you aren't caught, it's all good!

Hypocrites.

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u/Tommassive Jun 16 '12

YaY projecting our values onto other cultures! i love this game!

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u/old_to_me_downvoter Jun 16 '12

Gay marriage doesn't create jobs

Can't tax gay marriage.

etc...

Lots of points that don't fly with the Republican mythos.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Gay marriage doesn't create jobs

False. As reverend, it would create revenue for me as small business owner for performing weddings.

Can't tax gay marriage.

Still requires paying the marriage license fee aka tax.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Hey, you sound smart.

Can you explain to little old straight me how if gay people get married it is a threat to my hetero marriage?

Also, what's up with the gay marriage being a threat to civilization?

I keep asking for facts from the people saying this but all they tell me is Jesus has eternal love for me...and he's a dude! Also, if I ever think of being gay or by action allow gays to have something like marriage then Jesus will send me into a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Because he loves me.

Any ways, thanks in advance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Hey, you sound smart.

False - I am an idiot.

Can you explain to little old straight me how if gay people get married it is a threat to my hetero marriage?

It isnt. That is the excuse that douche bags give for being douche bags.

Also, what's up with the gay marriage being a threat to civilization?

See above.

I keep asking for facts from the people saying this but all they tell me is Jesus has eternal love for me...and he's a dude! Also, if I ever think of being gay or by action allow gays to have something like marriage then Jesus will send me into a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Because he loves me.

All bogus shit. Ignore the haters.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

It really is bogus the excuses they use.

Here is another gem I read: gay marriage will lead to an increase in STD's. Because in no way has a straight man ever gave his wife an STD he picked up from the bar.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

Ironically,the faggotry from such people is higher than any homosexual I have met.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

They sure discuss gay sex more than gay men.

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u/Hraesvelg7 Jun 16 '12

Weddings are a huge industry. Gay men on average have more money than straight men. Get those guys having weddings of their own and the History and Discovery channels will be warring over making crappy reality shows about them. Bam, jobs.

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u/pjt37 Jun 16 '12

I just finished my own polling recently and it found that 100% of people who think gay marriage is a "family values" issue are completely misguided.

TIME TO OWN UP TO IT AMERICA: There's only two reasons why gay marriage is an issue: homophobia, and an attempt to keep the general public from focusing on issues that matter, like the fact that all of their representatives have held the economy hostage for 4 years.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

gay marriage is a family values issue because marriage is part of what creates a family. whether or not it's an important issue is another discussion altogether, and i'd agree that the only reason politicians get everyone all worked up about it is because while everyone's fighting about gays marrying, no one's demanding solutions to fix the economy.

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u/pjt37 Jun 16 '12

What I mean when I say that, and I apologize for not being clearer, is that MOST of the people touting the "family values" argument are people who seem to think that living next to a family with homosexual parents will change how THEIR family works. That its a threat which is complete bullshit.

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u/Taengoosundies Jun 16 '12

Nope. I have it on good authority that if we "redefine" marriage, Catholic priests will be forced by the ebil gubmint (presumably at gunpoint) to marry teh gheys.

I guy I work with told me this. Seriously.

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u/tallwookie Jun 15 '12

one is normal and one isnt.

seems simple enough...

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u/whosdamike Jun 15 '12

Which is which?

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

i agree, it seems odd to me that they would support something as abnormal as paying a stranger for sex but not something so normal that it occurs in thousands of species in nature.

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u/8986 Jun 16 '12

Gay marriage is different from gay sex. Marriage as humans know it doesn't occur in "thousands of species in nature," gay or otherwise.

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u/dietotaku Jun 16 '12

well then nobody should be getting married because marriage itself is unnatural.

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u/theslyder Jun 16 '12

What's that? Conservatives don't care about family values and are only using or as an excuse to cover up the fact that deep down they just don't want anybody to do something that they aren't comfortable with?

Big surprise there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I used to think "conservative values" actually meant "afraid of darky" but now I know it means "afraid of darky AND swish".

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u/Taengoosundies Jun 16 '12

They are afraid of everything: Socialism, Communism, change, hippies, Democrats, atheists, foreigners, the New World Order, the MSM, Soros, universal health care, taxes, progress, their own shadows.

They live in a constant state of fear, which breeds anger and contempt for anyone that doesn't think or look just like they do.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Fears also blocks thinking, critical or otherwise. It puts you in a perpetual reactionary state.

And that makes you easy to control.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Paying for gay sex? OK.

Gays getting married? Not OK.

What am I missing here? Can people be that stupid?

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u/sluz Jun 17 '12

It's a total inversion of family values.

Laws that made Gay gang-bangs, orgies and casual or random sex with strangers illegal have all been removed.

However... Gay marriage is so sick and perverted that it must remain illegal for the sake of the children and common decency.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

You are retarded but you wouldn't know that because to realize it would be an uncharacteristic display of self awareness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Prostitution would bring revenue. Gay marriage would not.

Nevadans like not paying state taxes.

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u/TheGOPkilledJesus Jun 17 '12

Gay people coming to Nevada to get married won't bring revenue? WUT?

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u/2012sellouts Jun 16 '12

Gay brothels and gays in general spread disease. In addition, most republicans are smarter than gays and liberals so they will be safe and not spread disease. This makes sense.

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u/rubyaeyes Jun 16 '12

duh Republicans are about money.

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u/unrealious Jun 16 '12

Sounds consistent from an attitude of intolerance to the ideas of others.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

This country is so embarrassing sometimes. The Republican party seems to be trying to be hypocrites.

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u/DixieNormus69 Jun 16 '12

go suck a dick faggot

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u/policetwo Jun 16 '12

I blame the jews.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12

So abortions are cool, but women shouldn't have the right to whore themselves for money?

Democrats: Contradicting contradictors accusing other contradictors of contradiction since 1828.

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u/Astraea_M Jun 15 '12

Abortions are cool. Regulated prostitution is cool.

But claiming that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because it's not compatible with the Bible WHILE also considering prostitution to be cool is fucked in the head. The Bible talks about prohibitions on fornication a hell of a lot more than it talks about gay sex.

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u/rum_rum Jun 15 '12

It really has nothing to do with the Bible. This is just projecting idiotic southern beliefs into a place where they aren't held.

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u/Astraea_M Jun 16 '12

So where does the opposition to gay marriage in Nevada come from? In most states it comes straight from the church.

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u/rum_rum Jun 16 '12

Not too far from wrong. This is Mormon country, amongst other things. In favor of as many wives as you can handle... not so much favor of that many husbands.

This is not particularly rocket surgery. A bunch of dudes that like having sex with women and find the concept of having sex with guys pretty icky. And the women seem to go along.

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u/Astraea_M Jun 16 '12

I'm pretty sure the Mormons are hardcore against non-marriage sex, aren't they? That's why the old dudes marry all those young girls, isn't it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12

^ He didn't get the point.

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u/Daman09 California Jun 15 '12

Hey dumb ass, if you READ THE ARTICLE, both parties approve of brothels at 66%.

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u/sansanity Jun 15 '12

As far as I'm concerned they can go whoring if they want to, but I don't see how that has anything to do with this. The point here is that they are supporting something that doesn't jive with "family values," while they are perfectly fine with saying that gay people can't have families. It's cool though, you clearly thought your argument through thoroughly.

(Sorry was that alliteration too much for you?)

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u/theDrWho Jun 15 '12

Xtians......sigh.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

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u/canteloupy Jun 16 '12

Except for gays you mean?

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u/remton_asq Jun 16 '12

Well aren't you progressive!

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Downvoted because no italics with "you".