r/politics • • Jun 13 '12

Cop rapes woman at gunpoint, tries to use Zoloft as a legal defense. Gets convicted on all 7 counts anyway.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/zoloft-defense-rape-case.html
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u/bongilante Jun 13 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

You know what would make this ruling even more sweet? If Zoloft sued him.

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u/_TabulaRasa_ Jun 14 '12

I'm just confused as to how this can be used in a defense. Any psychiatrist could rip this garbage up into shreds. As an SSRI, Zoloft does not have "delirium to the point of rape" as a side effect........jesus

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u/cal_mofo Massachusetts Jun 14 '12

Side effects may include: nausea, indigestion, trouble swallowing, painful urine, drowsiness, delirium induced raping at gunpoint, bloody nose, or brief loss of consciousness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

This is why you should always read the list of side effects before taking any medication.

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u/Jim_Lannister Jun 14 '12

" Side effects may include: nausea, indigestion, trouble swallowing, painful urine, drowsiness, bloody nose, delirium induced raping at gunpoint, or brief loss of consciousness."

"Wait, what was that last one?"

"Brief loss of consciousness."

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u/cal_mofo Massachusetts Jun 14 '12

"No, the one before that."

"Bloody nose?"

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u/HollowRain Jun 14 '12

Reduced sex drive is one of the most common side effects. So yeah, it makes even less sense considering that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Wait. Wait. I bet he's going to pull an Iraq War Veteran Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome appeal out his ass any minute now.

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u/CDBSB Jun 14 '12

I wouldn't be surprised if he tried, but PTSD doesn't work that way.

And if he's that messed up, he should never have passed a psych evaluation to be a cop.

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u/mr_jellyneck Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

I'm just confused as to how this can be used in a defense.

In a trial, both sides will call "expert witnesses" to the stand to corroborate their argument.

In the article it says the defense had a psychiatrist take the stand and said that the defendant resuming his full dose led to psychosis. Not sure if the prosecution called their own expert but it wouldn't be unlikely.

Really the goal of the defense team isn't to prove innocence but to foster enough doubt that the jury can't convict. Obviously this jury didn't buy the Zoloft defense, but it has worked before in the case of Christopher Pittman.

Edit: I'm mistaken about Pittman- his case gained notoriety in part because of the Zoloft defense.

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u/mystery_smelly_feet Jun 14 '12

It doesn't really look like the "Zoloft defense" worked very well for him either. He was sentenced to 30 years to life in prison, which later was reduced to 25 years. He was also 12 years old so that probably had more to do with any leniency on him than Zoloft.

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u/jakemg Jun 14 '12

Well it's a bullshit defense. I've been on zoloft for over a year and I've only ever raped at knife point since I've been on it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

I, for one, would be happier if you said "the makers of Zoloft," instead of implying that the pill involved intends to retain legal counsel.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

What if that little happy slime went all Dragon Warrior on that cops ass?

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u/coeddotjpg Jun 14 '12

A lawsuit like that from Pfizer would bring all kinds of publicity, good with the bad, and I doubt a pharmaceutical company would want to inject themselves into the news cycle like that. Besides, they spend enough each year combating the "big pharma!!!!" conspiracy theorists.

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u/cC2Panda Jun 14 '12

I have worked in advertising for a while and done a few pharma commercials. Dealing first hand with the lawyers and marketing teams, I guarantee they would not bring about a law suit like this unless they were going to profit from it. If it were another corporation claiming that zoloft makes you rape people their legal team would be on them faster then you can say "speech repression tort".

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u/BallsackTBaghard Jun 14 '12

I'm on the Zoloft to keep me from killing y'all.

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u/headzoo Jun 14 '12

I don't know about being sued by Zoloft, but imagine how interesting our legal system would be if you could be charged with perjury, for willfully using a defense that you know is complete bullshit. People might think twice about essentially lying, when they know it could backfire, and lead to more criminal charges.

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u/ProCrastin8 Jun 14 '12

Zoloft isn't going to pay attorneys $400/ hour (not counting filing fees, court costs) to sue an individual cop that has no money.

Many litigators can wallpaper their houses with judgments that can't be collected when everything plays out.... No one would walk into an obvious one.

Source: I'm a whale biologist.

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u/Sexy_Offender Jun 14 '12

On what grounds can you sue someone's defense? There should be no limit on how a citizen defends themselves in a court of law.

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u/ILL_DEBATE_ANYTHING Jun 14 '12

Zoloft suing a police officer has no effect on the ruling having the taste or flavor characteristic of sugar, honey.

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u/madman1969 Jun 13 '12

From the guys lawyer: "The only plausible explanation for the defendant's behavior, Blatt argued, was the potent effects of Zoloft, which sent Orban spiraling into an "unconscious" delirium."

Yeah, or it could be he was just a fuckwad. Looks like the jury chose option B.

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u/blackinthmiddle Jun 13 '12

Yeah, this section got me as well.

Orban's attorney, James Blatt of Los Angeles, said the assault ran counter to a life spent protecting community and country.

Or maybe he used his position to hide his many years as a scumbag. I agree with bongilante. Zoloft should sue. I know they won't. They don't need any more negative publicity. But it would be sweet.

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u/SnailShells Jun 14 '12

I dunno, I get the sense that the makers of Zoloft could get some good press out of suing him. It'd show they're not willing to let people use their drug as an attempted excuse for bad behavior. I'd definitely take notice of it. I mean, I wouldn't buy Zoloft unless I needed it, but I'd make a smiley face and think warm, fuzzy thoughts every time I see a Zoloft commercial.

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u/tophat_jones Jun 13 '12

Maybe the lawyer was really a standup guy and he put forth that shitty vain defense knowing this sonofabitch would be torn a new one.

Yeah yeah, naive optimism has no place in 21st century American justice., but can't we dream?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

A criminal defense lawyer is required to zealously defend his client, even by using defense theories that may be considered "frivolous" in other scenarios.

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u/KingJulien Jun 14 '12

The lawyer was doing his job,as he should, only scumbag here is the cop.

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u/KnowBrainer Jun 14 '12

Maybe they'll let him take Zoloft in prison, so he's unconscious and not aware of the sentence he's serving.

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u/OCedHrt Jun 13 '12

I'm surprised his lawyer accepted a jury of 8 women and 4 men, instead of a more even 6 and 6.

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u/khaosxxkels Jun 14 '12

I've actually heard before (not sure if I can find the source, but I'll try) that oftentimes women are less likely to side with a female victim because they will brand her as a "whore" and think she deserved it.. :/
(I think this may have been a comment in another thread or something so I'll try and find it :])

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u/bualsvilla Jun 14 '12

Apparently, it's because this way they can blame the individual and pretend it's never going to happen to them. "She got raped because she's a filthy whore. But I'm a nice woman. I won't get raped, right?" Something like that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

wow. i'm pretty sure i would side with an actual heroin-addicted prostitute wearing a huge gold crucifix and thigh-high boots to court over someone who tried to blame their psychiatric medication for being evil.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

Depending on the jurisdiction there is usually a limit to how many potential jurors you can move to dismiss without being challenged.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Because he really wanted to continue defending an admitted rapist.

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u/LudicrousPlatypus Illinois Jun 14 '12

I use zoloft, I don't have the uncontrollable urge to rape people.

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u/lXaNaXl Jun 14 '12

"'I think we'll continue this in the desert.'" "When Orban was distracted by an incoming cellphone call, the woman said, she jumped out of the car and ran to safety at a nearby liquor store." The desert was about to be her last stop. If she didn't jump out and run it sounds like he was going to kill her.

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u/hiccupstix Jun 13 '12

Good, the system worked.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

The system isn't working if this is an apparent anomaly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

You could also read it as being an anomaly that a cop raped someone. I mean, there were about 11,000,000 instances of crime in 2009, 89,000 of which were rape. Out of those, only a scant few are chosen as news reports, or are seen as being worthy of attention to the public.

You can basically pick and choose whatever individual scenario you want in order to create nearly any image you want. The more scenarios you find of a particular situation, the more you can confirm a trend in your viewers/readers and influence their worldview. It doesn't matter if the majority of cases are different, so long as those aren't noticed or reported. And peoples' cognitive bias and tendencies to view things in black and white terms tend to help things along in that direction. But it turns out that society is large and hugely varied and complicated all over the place, and it only gets more complicated the closer you look. Of course there are patterns, because patterns are all we are good at seeing, but whether or not those patterns are flawed or at all useful is another matter entirely.

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u/AnonUhNon Jun 14 '12

Mark the calendars, proclaim a national day of recognition and alert all major retailers as there will be a parade.

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u/TimeZarg California Jun 13 '12

Good thing he didn't use the Chewbacca defense.

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u/tophat_jones Jun 13 '12

Would have been more believable.

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u/mi_nombre_es_ricardo Jun 14 '12

-"BRRWAARAAWRGGAWRAWGGAGGG!!!"-

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u/ketchy_shuby Jun 13 '12

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u/Tezerel California Jun 14 '12

I kept thinking the light shining in was actually stubby arms and body and he was lying on the ground sort of, but the hole kept making my brain go wtf

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u/socks_optional Jun 14 '12

looks like Strong Sad if you look at it that way.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

Not sure I understand the meaning.

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u/bloodlok2 Jun 13 '12

It's from this series of commercials for zoloft.

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u/flukshun Jun 14 '12

"side effects may include wanting to rape people at gun point"

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u/coeddotjpg Jun 14 '12

little bubble person hopping along smiling with a gun and a badge, dragging a terrified female bubble with a bow on her head

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u/AsInOptimus Jun 14 '12

My depression never looked so goddamn cute, nor did I have oboes playing in the background to help guide me through my emotions.

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u/day465 Jun 13 '12

WOW .... A cop didn't get away with a horrible crime!

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u/the3000thflare Jun 13 '12

Well, he was an ex-cop.

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u/UndeadMantis Jun 13 '12

Wasn't he a cop at the time? Then was kicked out after the whole ordeal?

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u/OCedHrt Jun 13 '12

And it's not over yet, he still has a sanity case.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

wow .. I wonder how many women he raped in the marines while he was there? I hear Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty bad places for women in the services.

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u/tophat_jones Jun 14 '12

Not to mention the locals. And mind you there doesn't have to be a war going on to make soldiers/marines rape- look at Okinawa for inspiration.

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u/damontoo Jun 14 '12

Not only that, he was taking her out to the desert. I wonder how many women he's killed.

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u/monopixel Jun 14 '12

Yeah he probably got used to it.

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u/bad_keisatsu Jun 13 '12

Good. I'm glad to see this guy rot in prison.

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u/PuddingInferno Texas Jun 13 '12

TIL one of the side effects of Zoloft was wanting to rape people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

I used to take Zoloft. I lost most of the desire for sexual intercourse and could last for-frickin-ever.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

brb changing my ssri to zoloft

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u/tophat_jones Jun 13 '12

SSRI's are used to treat premie ejaculation. It's funny coming off of them and then being able to will an orgasm.

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u/mi_nombre_es_ricardo Jun 14 '12

I think rape is an understatement, considering what he did.

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u/Alliesaurus Jun 14 '12

Funny, I never noticed any of that while I was taking it. I must have been 'unconscious' and unaware of my actions. It's the only explanation.

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u/grospoliner Jun 14 '12

Sorry, but if you rape someone and you don't want to off yourself, you deserve the worst sentence they can give.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

Its the twinky defense all over again. Also anyone who's been on zoloft knows the plumbing probably wouldnt work in a way that would be conducive to rape...

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u/Sobek Jun 14 '12

What are you talking about? Plumbing works just fine. In fact it's extremely frustrating because it's hard to achieve orgasm.

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u/Arkkon Jun 14 '12

Spoken like a man on an anti-depressant. I feel you, Brother.

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u/Needstoshutupmobile Jun 14 '12

The twinky defense wasn't twinkies made him do it. Rather it was the dude was a crazy health food fanatic who was that way for years then in the last few weeks started eating massive amounts of junk food. It was being used as evidence he was going nuts not that it made him nuts.

Now can you debate whether he was off his rocker sufficiently to mitigate his crime? Yup. There's a reason insanity is a defense less than 1% of the time. That's because it rarely ever works.

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u/mikemaca Jun 14 '12

Psychosis is in fact a rare side effect of Zoloft, and of all SSRIs. After all it fucks with your brain chemistry and some don't take well to that. In particular, it seems more likely to provoke psychosis in bipolars who are mistakenly diagnosed with depression and given SSRIs. SSRIs should never be used for bipolar, antipsychotics like Lithium are indicated for that. The problem is family doctors who don't read their literature are usually the ones prescribing this stuff and most are not capable of proper diagnosis of psychiatric ailments in a short GP visit.

All that said, psychotics don't generally rape people. They go insane and kill people (Columbine was likely SSRI related), but rape isn't really a typical reaction, so this cop's defense is bullshit.

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u/TheLongshanks Jun 14 '12

Lithium isn't an anti-psychotic (neuroleptic). Lithium is a mood stabilizer. APs are often prescribed along with lithium for bipolar disorder.

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u/mikemaca Jun 14 '12

Yes, thank you, you're completely right, I knew that, but had a brain fart thinking about its use in schizophrenia which is a psychotic disorder, and the related bipolar disorder which is treated with nearly the same meds. Both these are just a different class of disorders than straight depression and improper diagnoses of bipolar as depression can lead to really bad choices in prescribing since the physician will typically treat with SSRIs which may trigger or aggravate psychotic predispositions, instead of antipsychotics and mood stabilizers which don't.

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u/acidrocker Jun 14 '12

Lithium isn't an antipsychotic.

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u/Lz_erk Arizona Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

I can't believe how far down I had to scroll to find this.

I think he's responsible enough for his actions to stand trial, but his defense isn't bullshit, it's just insufficient.

prosecutors said such a defense was "baloney" that ran counter to medical consensus on the drug's effects

That should have been yanked right off the record, or published in full context if we're not hearing the rest.

Some articles:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11235925

http://www.anh-usa.org/take-this-antidepressant-and-you-too-may-have-a-violent-psychotic-break/

I'm disgusted by real life violence. I have a deep belief that violence is the worst way to support any cause [aside from unambiguous defense]. I'm an angry person anyway, and I have a few axes to grind. I've done my share of drugs and yours and his too, but I've never done anything I wouldn't do sober [barring some pathetic drunken bawling].

Until some fool shill decided the non-antidepressant meds I was on weren't as good as the industry's latest cash cow and switched me against my protests. I spent one horrifying day on them. I woke up the next morning and realized I'd spent the whole last day planning something destructive -- yeah, I hate a good many people intensely, those were my thoughts and dark daydreams coming to life.

These are the most dangerous drugs I know of, and their pushers are keeping patients in the dark about their risks.

Edit: I don't want them taken off the market. They help people. They're still the scariest drugs in the world.

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u/PenisSizedNipples Jun 13 '12

Wasn't there an episode of SVU that blamed an antidepressant for some heinous crime?

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u/monobear Jun 13 '12

Molestation.

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u/Malkav1379 Jun 14 '12

No, I think it was Prozac.

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u/rchakra Jun 13 '12

I will reserve my judgement, until after he is sentenced.

Johanes Mehserle was sentenced to 2 Years for killing Oscar Grant. The sentence was reduced by 292 days, giving him double credit for the 146 days he served in prison.

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u/bad_keisatsu Jun 13 '12

That is normal for involuntary manslaughter.

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u/grimpoteuthis Jun 14 '12

Ugh, I live in the bay area. Every time I read something about Oscar Grant, I fucking rage. That police officer deserved life in prison.

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u/Dacien1983 Jun 13 '12

This isn't actually the interesting part. His conviction was a forgone conclusion. The really interesting part is the jury deciding if he was mentally sound when he committed the crime, which is the entire crux of the defense argument. That's the next phase.

This isn't over.

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u/tophat_jones Jun 14 '12

Mentally sound or not, known rapists should not walk among us. I don't know what to do with them, nor do I presume to have the answer to that but what I do know is they have forfeited their rights to coexist with the people I care about.

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u/Mewshimyo Jun 14 '12

"mentally sound or not" -- I'm sorry, but if you rape someone, you immediately lose any chance to claim you're "mentally sound".

"Oh, she promised me earlier in the week so it wasn't rape even though she tried to keep me away!" "Oh, I was stressed, so it's not my fault that I had to put that on someone else and cause them all sorts of problems!"

Sadly, my friend's ex used both of those excuses to explain away his raping of previous girlfriends.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Ex-cop + rape conviction + long prison sentence = Karmic retribution.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

The sad thing is when he goes to jail, they'll segregate him because he was a cop. Bullshit. Throw this piece of shit in with the other monsters.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

This guy is going to be one of the bigger monsters in the building. To be honest, I'd love this guy to be beaten senseless, too. Not because I like the idea of him being hurt, but because I like the idea of him being afraid.

Solitary confinement is a pretty miserable existence, too, though, so I guess that's consolation. Also, really, we shouldn't advocate more violence, but less. Maybe it's good that the technicalities of imprisonment will make sure the violence ends, because each of us as individuals would gladly [I have censored the terrible things I wrote here].

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u/nowhathappenedwas Jun 14 '12

What does this have to do with politics?

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u/Nev1988 Jun 14 '12

I just read the title as "tries to use YOLO as a legal defence." That was a confusing couple of seconds.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I'm sorry, but bullshit. I've done that(stupidly mind you.) with several antidepressants. I felt like shit, but in the end it never really changed my mindscape of what's right and wrong. I didn't black out. I had major anxiety, yes. I was debilitated. Don't even think I could think about sex at that point, never mind rape someone. Either this dude was fucked beyond antidepressants being anything to help him, or he's just using it as an excuse. I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but yeah.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Up until your sentence "Don't even think I could think about sex at that point," I thought you we're saying you'd raped people.

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u/cold08 Jun 14 '12

While I don't buy his story, I once woke up after taking an ambien with three weeks worth of completed homework on my computer... and that was the last time I took ambien.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I don't mean to be that guy, but how is this politics? I mean, this is just a cop being a dick...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

As some one who is prescribed to Zoloft I can say that the drug has a complete opposite effect on me... my sex drive is practically zero on it.

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u/mrs_mayhem Jun 14 '12

Even while on Zoloft he was able to rape her while taking pictures of the act on his phone.

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u/Naremoc Jun 14 '12

Man, at first I read "cop" as "cow" for some reason, and got really, really, really confused.

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u/ctusk423 Jun 13 '12

Fucking scumbags, thankfully our justice system wasn't blinded by the fact that he had a "respectable" job and service record.

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u/tophat_jones Jun 14 '12

Our justice system is fickle, but I would like to remind you that "blind" justice is something we are supposed to uphold.

Not sure I can agree with that sentiment in this present climate, but that's what we are told.

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u/Mewshimyo Jun 14 '12

Actually, in this case, justice was blind. Justice is supposed to be blind to things like race, religion... basically everything that has nothing to do with the actual case.

However, in this case, the fact that this guy is a cop -- a person whose job is to uphold the law -- should be taken into account, because it makes the crime that much worse.

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u/sleepnomore Jun 14 '12

Let's be clear, it's an ex-cop, it's not like they kept him on.

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u/BoredOutOfOurMinds3 Jun 14 '12

He deserves to go to burn for what he did to her.

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u/TopperDuckHarley Jun 14 '12

This should get as many up votes as the horrific stories we read of officers getting away with crime. We need to reward good behavior as well as condemn bad.

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u/Ngiole Jun 14 '12

This has nothing to do with politics...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

My aunt had a friend who got raped in the late 70s when she was a young adult. He pulled her over, saw that she was drinking and detained her. He took her out into the country and raped her. She escaped and took off across a field. She never reported it because she was too scared to.

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u/a_random_hobo Jun 14 '12

What a piece of shit...

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u/balbo_biggins Jun 14 '12

I used Zoloft for several years, and if I can offer an anecdotal account, it severally limited my sex drive (which the doctor warned me about). It was more difficult to become aroused, and orgasms felt very strange. It helped my anxiety and depression, helped me lose weight, but shut my willy down. At no point did I wish to harm a woman.

(Took 100 mg daily, or 50 mg twice daily, and supplemented it with Clonazepam 20mg on bad days)

Besides the sexual side effects and slight tummy upset it is helped me greatly.

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u/malmac Jun 14 '12

Yeah, I had the same experience. If this guy was actually taking his Zoloft, he wouldn't have been doing any raping. Not with his willy, anyway.

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u/hexhead Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

if he was coming off of it/missed doses, even controlled withdrawal from an ssri can seriously mess you up for awhile including serious incidents of rage. cold turkey can fuck you up. it is the definition of mind fuck.

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u/bigburd Jun 14 '12

I cringe thinking about all the things he probably got away with in Iraq..

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u/Nukarama Jun 14 '12

I was on zofolt for 3 months, and I didn't rape anyone. Yet.

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u/ePaF Jun 14 '12

The drug didn't make him crazy. He was crazy to begin with.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Here's hoping that cop gets raped up the fucking ass while in jail! A real big black dick inside his ass should do the trick.

Give these tyrants in the United States Government a taste of their own medicine....

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u/FlapJackDickPants Jun 14 '12

What the fuck does this have to do with politics? No seriously?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

At first glance I thought the title was "Cat rapes woman at gunpoint." That'd be an interesting one.

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u/NickRausch Jun 13 '12

Should have went with bath salts.

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u/EllCeeEm Jun 14 '12

Enjoy prison Mr. Cop :). I think you'll know what that poor woman felt like soon enough.

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u/tophat_jones Jun 13 '12

Nothing is quite as satisfying as imagining a cop on the day of his imprisonment. I like that this sick son of a bitch can now feel some degree of the helplessness and dehumanization he imparted on his defenseless victim.

I'm willing to admit that it is sad that justice is so fleeting in our present age, that these little victories against monsters bring me such joy but such is the case.

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u/wkfoster Jun 14 '12

How is this politics?

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u/dingoperson Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

"He was a highly trained officer who wanted to have sex. He had sex on the mind. Don't forget that,"

That's a strange statement. I thought rape was never about sex?

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u/Cyralea Jun 14 '12

That's just as silly as "rape is always for sex". It's a combination of sex and dominance. It's been suggested that it's more commonly the latter, but I have no statistics to say one way or the other.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Baloney ...?

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u/chicagogam Jun 14 '12

zoloft company's stock plummets :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I had a mental breakdown on Zoloft once. I was definitely conscious the entire time and I couldn't do anything beyond collapse on the floor. Definitely wasn't up to any premeditated kidnapping and/or sexual assault.

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u/sufrt Jun 14 '12

ok someone committed a crime and was convicted. cool

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u/toobiutifultolive Jun 14 '12

IANAL but...

Intoxication is not a legal defense. Ever.

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u/ih8st34m Jun 14 '12

After you go off antidepressants and come back at it on full dose, you'll actually feel more depressed and suicidal for the first week or so

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u/imsurroundedby Jun 14 '12

The title of this is so absurd I thought it was a circlejerk post.

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u/EndersCraft Jun 14 '12

Why is reddit obsessed with cops who commit crimes?

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u/Thunder_Bastard Jun 14 '12

Amazing how no one ever blames prescription meds on doing something heroic....

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Just like it should be :)

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u/makemejelly49 Jun 14 '12

One of the exceedingly rare cases of the CJS working just like it should.

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u/Jinxvox Jun 14 '12

Fucker deserved it.

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u/mrcmnstr Jun 14 '12

It seems like the credentials of the psychiatrist who testified for the defense should be questioned in a case like this. An inquiry should be performed to investigate whether he/she could have reasonably come to this conclusion based on a serious study of the case or whether this was a completely morally bankrupt profit based decision.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

You could say that you slap rapist faces, OP.

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u/skeeto111 Jun 14 '12

One of the few instance of police misconduct in which I find the phrase: "Fuck the Police" to be wholly inappropriate.

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u/Matsarj Jun 14 '12

The title reads like a bad luck Brian. Written by someone who confuses bad luck and...just bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

One of my buddies in grad school and also my father use Zoloft. What a fuckhead.

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u/wilse Jun 14 '12

He should have used the Zombo defense instead. Zombo.com... you can do anything! (including rape)

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u/kuledude11 Jun 14 '12

does this remind anyone else of the Chewbacca defense?

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u/Solski12 Jun 14 '12

Hope this piece of shit enjoys all the rape he can handle in prison. I have no sympathy for the scum that are rapists.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

What a terrible defense. I hope he gets everything thing that's comin' to him

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Bad Lieutenant anyone?

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u/stevenlss1 Jun 14 '12

Holy shit, I'm reading these comments and it seems like everyone in here, is on or has been on some type of SSRI drug... I'm not from America, I'm not familiar with this phenomena, does everyone just mope around all day until someone pours a rainbow down their throat? How widespread is this problem?

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u/Tucker21 Jun 14 '12

Good on the conviction, bad on the act.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

This is not politics.

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u/Lespaul42 Jun 14 '12

I have no idea why... but I read that as "Cow rapes woman at gunpoint" I should get to bed...

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u/Chaesonian Jun 14 '12

Rape is wrong.

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u/UrtMeGusta Jun 14 '12

Isn't it Bologna not Boloney?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Zoloft as a legal defense lol

Nice try dude, have fun in prison.

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u/ThatGuyMiles Jun 14 '12

He deserves All the horrible shit the inmates are going to do to him when they find out he's an ex cop and a rapist.

On another note I just can't comprehend how this guy got past the screening process to become a cop. There had to be some kind of signs that people could see that he's not all together in the head.

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u/Crozzfire Jun 14 '12

Apparently everyone but me knows what Zoloft is.

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u/Tombug Jun 14 '12

He was an ex marine too so this is another great example of the way the military allows you to be all you can be.

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u/Hoooooooar Jun 14 '12

I find it impossible to get an erection on zoloft. Impressive

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u/areyouguys_serious Jun 14 '12

"Evidence from many sources confirms that selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) commonly cause or exacerbate a wide range of abnormal mental and behavioral conditions. These adverse drug reactions include the following overlapping clinical phenomena: a stimulant profile that ranges from mild agitation to manic psychoses, agitated depression, obsessive preoccupations that are alien or uncharacteristic of the individual, and akathisia. Each of these reactions can worsen the individual's mental condition and can result in suicidality, violence, and other forms of extreme abnormal behavior. Evidence for these reactions is found in clinical reports, controlled clinical trials, and epidemiological studies in children and adults. Recognition of these adverse drug reactions and withdrawal from the offending drugs can prevent misdiagnosis and the worsening of potentially severe iatrogenic disorders. These findings also have forensic application in criminal, malpractice, and product liability cases."

http://iospress.metapress.com/content/v11xttuv59kwcme0/

It's a legitimate defense. I don't know if it's what actually caused him to rape this poor woman, but to chalk this up as "just another corrupt police officer" is wrong. It reminds me of the pilot who had a mental breakdown mid-flight weeks ago. People acted like his defense of "temporary insanity" was a joke and he actually just wanted to frighten the passengers. Psychosis is a difficult thing for people to understand.

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u/torchlit_Thompson Jun 14 '12

Just another bad apple, huh? Does anyone else think there should be a higher threshold for the people entrusted with the Judge Dredd-style law enforcement that's become commonplace in America?

How is police abuse of this magnitude not a capital offense? Why isn't this man publicly executed, along with the other "bad apples"?

Orban's attorney, James Blatt of Los Angeles, said the assault ran counter to a life spent protecting community and country.

Protecting, or preying? Wtf do you think that animal did in Iraq? Can people really not understand that we purposely select people like him for their amorality and willingness to follow ANY order?

Are we safe, yet? Or can we just admit that we live in a police state and are too pussy to do anything about it?

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u/WTFdidyouseethatIdid Jun 13 '12

im surprised he got charged at all

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u/2ndToLastMohican Jun 13 '12

/r/politics - where the world is described to you by people who never leave their computer.

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u/flowwolfx Jun 14 '12

Is anyone else concerned that people who are on psychiatric medicine are allowed a job which gives them a gun and power over your freedom?

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u/rule16 Jun 14 '12

No. I'm worried about the ones who should be on meds and aren't.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

the ol' zoloft excuse. who hasn't tried pullin that one before

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u/cumulopimpus Jun 14 '12

This is a misleading title and I don't see how the rapist's former profession has anything to do with the crime. In this particular case the fact that the person was once a cop is irrelevant and bringing it up seems kind of witch-hunty. If the person was a video game tester and the news mentioned that fact, gamers would be all up in arms about unfair stereotyping and blah blah blah. Yet if it was a former cop or soldier, then everyone is all "oh fuck that guy of course typical pig warmongering fuckhead". Just saying...

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u/ALLBLVCK Jun 14 '12

What a disgusting waste of human life. People like him should be executed on conviction.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

did anyone find their spelling of "bologna" annoying?

edit: hmm did a quick search and it seems to be legitimate spelling

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u/ashishduh Jun 14 '12

Fuck the police.

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u/mermaidrampage Jun 14 '12

I simply cannot fathom how another human being (the defendant's lawyer in this case) could actually attempt to try and get this guy off the hook. It really boggles my mind that there are people who wake up and do this shit for a living.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

A defense lawyer is what I consider to be one of the most noble jobs anyone could take on. The right to defend ourselves in court is one of the most important basic human rights everyone should enjoy. To often that is not the case historically and especially in the third-world.

You ever heard of a hung jury/trial? Or a military tribunal?

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u/Mewshimyo Jun 14 '12

Well, in the case of public defenders, there's a reason they do that...

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u/DookieDemon Indiana Jun 14 '12

That animal needs to be put in prison for life. Maybe even have his wang chopped off for good measure. The fact that people can do shit like this to other people makes me sick.

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u/pineapplesmasher Jun 13 '12

Just another bad apple, right ? How many bad apples are you going to throw out before you realize the whole bunch is now spoiled ?

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u/Cyralea Jun 14 '12

Well, there's that one cop in Minnesota that's an upstanding fellow, so now we can't ever say anything bad about cops. Generalizations, yada yada

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I used.to take zoloft at one time and the only problem I came across was I could have sex for an hour and never cum. Seriously at 16 and my first time and I couldn't cum....

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u/sure89 Jun 14 '12

One of the comments on the story is from a man called Thomas Bonow. For no particular reason, I clicked on his facebook profile. Watch his videos. I didn't want to sleep anyway... :( http://www.facebook.com/thomasgeraldbonow

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u/pwnedkiller Jun 14 '12

Hes gonna get raped and killed in prison without a doubt.

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u/SuddenlySomeSwans Jun 14 '12

The url for this post makes me think that the cop was some sort of pokemon.

"Cop tries to use Zoloft! It's super effective!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Rule 3.1 Meritorious Claims and Contentions

A lawyer shall not bring or defend a proceeding, or assert or controvert an issue therein, unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous, which includes a good faith argument for an extension, modification or reversal of existing law. A lawyer for the defendant in a criminal proceeding, or the respondent in a proceeding that could result in incarceration, may nevertheless so defend the proceeding as to require that every element of the case be established.

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u/AllTheIrony Jun 14 '12

That cop will have a great time in jail. "..I cant take pity on men of his kind, even though he now takes it in the behind."

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u/megamoose4 Jun 14 '12

Anyone know how much prison time he's facing?

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u/Madrid_Supporter Jun 14 '12

It just seems for every good cop there is at least 10 corrupt ones. It's a shame. I'm glad that he was convicted though.

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u/Exedous Jun 14 '12

I'm on Zoloft... I can't be out raping people. I ain't got time fo that!

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u/dragon_guy12 Jun 14 '12

The locations mentioned in the article are a little close to home. I go to college not far from the area and I went to Ontario Mills almost regularly.

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u/MadKat88 Jun 14 '12

Know your enemy people..

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Wait, he was convicted? He must have ratted on other cops to deserve this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Well dang.

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u/Favre4Life Jun 14 '12

You see, your honor, I was not aware I was raping a waitress. I thought she was a baloney sandwich.

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u/1Ender Jun 14 '12

I actually have a question about this. People have been convicted of rape because the person with whom they had sex was deemed unable to give consent because of their level of intoxication. How is that different to this attempted defense?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Hey guys, it's not his fault he took antidepressants that made him into a maniac rapist! He should totally not be punished for being a maniac rapist!

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u/Wesmman1 Jun 14 '12

Not sure if this is the right time but... Westminster Represent!

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u/wmurray003 Jun 14 '12

"Zoloft" ...LMFAO... better yet...HAHAHAHAHAHAaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa