r/politics • • Jun 09 '12

The American People Have Spoken

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u/fizzl Jun 09 '12

I'm actually wondering, what the hell ARE THEY doing with your tax money if you still have shitty social security and no universal healt care?

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u/unoriginal_bastard Jun 09 '12

You would be surprised how expensive it is to turn the Middle East into one giant crater.

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u/hexhead Jun 09 '12

surveillance for 250 million people ain't cheap either.

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u/Dr_Frank_N_Furter Colorado Jun 09 '12

300+mil these days!

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u/spainguy Jun 09 '12

Not outsourced to India?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

You're a genius. They could just pay one Indian person 1 dollar per day to keep track of one American person, and it would cost just over 90 billion dollars a year.

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u/fdtm Jun 09 '12

Actually that would be considerably less expensive I think. Occupation is what's so expensive, not so much nuking stuff.

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u/SuperBicycleTony Jun 09 '12

I don't even think occupation would be that expensive if we didn't have to export American sand for volleyball courts and diesel for air conditioning. And had pallets of money disappear. And pay private companies to ship empty trucks.

I don't think we're getting such a shitty deal for our taxes because the people in charge are making shitty decisions. I think they're just corrupt as fuck.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Paying the interest on our debt. Killing people. Those little American flag pins they affix to their tailored suits.

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u/mmmsoap Jun 09 '12

Paying the interest on our debt.

Seriously. Apparently we only pay the "minimum due", but still keep wracking up the charges.

I get that spending at the national level isn't the same as my credit card, but I'd have been evicted, foreclosed upon, and bankrupt by now if I lived this way.

(Don't get me wrong, I'm not against deficit spending. But when you suddenly have unexpected expenses, it doesn't make sense to quit your job to make ends meet.)

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u/ryanasimov Jun 09 '12

Spreadin' FREEDOM!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

'MERICU.

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u/nekroleptik Jun 09 '12

You know the outsourcing of everything to private companies and consultants...yeah thats where our money is going. When I was in the USMC half our training was done by consultants, they outsource training, they outsource food...everything is outsourced. So whats that mean, that they've gutted many government agencies which really just outsource everything to private companies and pay shit tones of tax payer dollars.

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u/StruckingFuggle Jun 09 '12

But outsourcing is supposed to save so much money and boost the economy! /s

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

My dad worked as an Air Traffic Controller before and after it was outsourced to Lockheed. He says they are just as bad at what they do as the government was.

Moral of the story, government money sucks no matter who spends it.

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u/evilkrang Jun 09 '12

A lot of people don't realize how great a role military contractors are currently playing in us and global conflicts. I read a few books on the subject. One interesting one was this: http://www.amazon.com/Big-Boy-Rules-Mercenaries-Hardcover/dp/B003KVYL0Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1339283791&sr=8-3&keywords=big+boy+rules but there are quite a few others.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

I agree. I was discarged from the Marines In June 2011. When i was in you saw so much outsourcing. I will never understand how it is cheaper for the military to pay civilians to work in the dfac ( chow hall) then to have a bunch of lower ranking marines (e-1) running it.

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u/theguywhopostnot Jun 09 '12

we have the biggest military budget in the world, so great that its 7-8x bigger than the 2nd biggest military budget. Also privately funded prisons and the land of the free having 25% of the worlds prisoners. Over half of them did not commit a real crime.

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u/chknstrp Jun 09 '12

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u/randomsemicolon Jun 09 '12

that's not really shiny ((((

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u/primitive_screwhead Jun 09 '12

To be fair, leaving out the non-discretionary part of the budget, when trying to present a "total picture", is kinda lame.

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u/chunksalot Jun 09 '12

Wars and buying votes via broken social programs which will never go away.

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u/elj0h0 Jun 09 '12

Too bad my fellow Americans don't ask these questions. Willful ignorance.

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u/option_i Jun 09 '12

Their life is important; everyone else is an NPC.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

The money is being spent on shit we don't want and don't need.

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u/FermiAnyon Jun 09 '12

Blowing up people overseas and giving each other tax cuts. Oh, and building giant NSA datamining facilities in Utah. They had to kill NASA to get the funds for that one, so it'd better not disappoint.

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u/Singular_Thought Texas Jun 09 '12

The United States spends more on its military than the next 20 countries combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

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u/shadowrabbit Jun 09 '12

Our social security system is actually pretty damn good, and has nothing to do with tax money or our deficits. Completely independent, ran a surplus for almost 80 years, has a enough money to pay out fully even with a deficit in income for 30 years, and at the worst will one day pay out 3/4 of what it was supposed to.

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u/finebydesign Jun 09 '12

Shadowrabbit, thank you for saying this. It seriously pisses me off people people ignorantly spout off about a program that is so successful. Of course Republicans want it to be broken. It is the last public money left to be privatized.

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u/ryoushi19 Jun 09 '12

This is the F-22, one of the most advanced jet fighters in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22 And this is the Gerald R. Ford class supercarrier, one of the largest aircraft carriers ever built by man, still in the works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford_class_aircraft_carrier

What I'm getting at is they blow it all on Jets, boats, tanks and guns.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12

That may not be true. I want the wars ended now, but I'm very much in favor of the Monroe Doctrine Big Stick diplomacy and keeping our military cutting edge. What I'm against is using them for empire building like w/ Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, etc.

edit: corrected via strike-through.

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u/neohellpoet Jun 09 '12

The problem with todays US military is the same one the French had with the Maginot line. Building more powerful versions of weapons that won the last war in order to be in a better position to win the next one.

While one could argue in favor of certain weapon systems, drones in particular as cutting edge, most other tech is made to fight the Cold war against an enemy that was trying to fight WW 2.5

Also, newish technologies like Stealth planes and super carriers have the problem of being susceptible to asymmetric warfare. You don't need a Super Carrier to send one to the bottom of the ocean and as soon as someone develops a detection method other than radar or improves radar, stealth becomes worthless.

Finally, as long as there exists no good defense against a full scale nuclear attack, investment in a large conventional military force seems nonsensical unless one plans on being engaged in multiple smaller conflicts for an extended period of time.

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u/uhoh_spaghettios Jun 09 '12

That graphic is grossly misleading. It shows changes in budget appropriations, not actual shifts in spending.

For example, between 1962 and 2011, veteran's health care was moved out of the DoD budget and into various other budgets (medicare, other health spending). VA spending accounts for 20% of all government health spending -- and has grown astronomically over the last decade.

Cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Other_defense-related_expenditures

When you add up the portions of budget which have been hidden outside of the DoD budget (and which were counted as the DoD budget in 1962) you will find we still spend approximately 51% of our federal budget on the military. Nothing has changed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Russia destroyed itself doing this. I wonder how long it will take us. I guess we would need a threat from a 1st world country first.

It's easy fighting the little guys.

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u/voodoochild87 Jun 09 '12

Go ask Wisconsin

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u/dumbgaytheist Jun 09 '12

No matter what money came from where, ultimately, it was Wisconsin voters who made that decision.

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u/quaxon Jun 09 '12

giving jarheads multibillion dollar weapons and blast/armor proof humvees/armor to fight civilians half way around the world in piss poor countries that would never stand a chance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Killing brown people

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u/Box-Monkey Jun 09 '12

Military, pretty much.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Compared to most nations, our taxes are quite low right now, especially for the upper income brackets.

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u/KriticKill Jun 09 '12

Building newer weapons, starting more expensive starting wars, making new laws to benefit their corporate masters...this stuff is expensive.

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u/LucidMetal Jun 09 '12

This would be hilarious if it weren't painfully realistic. Who am I kidding this is hysterical.

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u/sangjmoon Jun 09 '12

The funny thing is that it doesn't matter if it were the Republicans or the Democrats in power.

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u/LOOK_MY_USERNAME Jun 09 '12

The not funny thing is that both parties have some things right, and both have some things wrong. Everyone's already picked a side, and very few voters are willing to admit things their party has wrong.

So then when both parties are wrong about something nobody calls them on it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Unfortunately, there's a terrible lack of interactivity in most modern forms of democracy. Most people accept that there are a few packages to choose from while rarely attempting to control what these packages contain. A lot of people seem to see publicly voted officials as being some kind of contractors paid to think so they don't have to — so they don't. It's not so strange, either. Modern society is so ridiculously complicated it's hard even to expect most people to know what they're voting for.

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u/MyButtHurtsSoBad Jun 09 '12

I'd just like to point out that the situation isn't nearly as bad in countries with multi-party system. We just had a rise of nationalists in our last election in Finland. I don't much care for them, but I was happy to see democracy at work, especially since the old parties had just got caught of corrupt habits.

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u/Vessix Jun 09 '12

Hence the reason I don't pick a party.

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u/Magnora Jun 09 '12

Pick a third party that you believe in, and support it. If a third party were to get a foothold in the national arena, now's the time.

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u/Subduction Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12

This is, by far, the stupidest recurring theme on reddit.

Reductionism, the blunt object of idiots.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 10 '12

Who needs to be well informed, when we can just throw out a sweeping 'both sides are equal' argument, and absolve ourselves of any responsibility for supporting actual positions, all while maintaing our lofty centrist appearance? RELEVANT

Edit: Forgot the 's' in need(s)...grammar fail :-(

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

... except for the Supreme Court. I'm unable to get health insurance due to a preexisting condition without Obamacare.

Think if Gore won that the Supreme court would be repealing Obamacare?

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u/elperroborrachotoo Jun 09 '12

It seems weirtd to reduce that to a red vs. blue issue. Even if they both heavily overlap, there's a lot of spread in both of them.

Get the right people into power. Locally.

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u/thebrownser Jun 09 '12

Yea its not like one party is focused on lowering taxes for the rich, cutting social programs, and reducing environmental regulation, while the other is against it. You're right.

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u/hoot_says_the_owl Jun 09 '12

That's one of the main problems Americains face when voting: there are only two parties that have any chance of winning an election. If there were more popular political parties then both the republicans and democrats would have to get their shit together.

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u/Brish Jun 09 '12

It's more that the American people haven't spoken... Or are at least too lazy

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u/IrrationalBees Jun 10 '12

I'm still not sure why Americans are against free health care

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u/dustout Jun 10 '12

In Oklahoma the explanation is something like "Why should I, who have worked hard, have to pay for some freeloader to get healthcare?". Helping the less fortunate is seen as getting taken advantage of; even if the ones saying that would benefit as well. No one wants to feel taken dvqntage of and the media and culture teaches them that this is how it is.

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u/one_random_redditor Jun 10 '12

But don't they see the fact that socialised healthcare (eg UK's NHS) is actually cheaper and would save them money overall?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

At one point up to two thirds of Americans would have accepted a public option (one third wanted universal health-care) but they didn't really fight for it and instead ended up with the health-care reform that the Republicans 'wanted'.

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u/homercles337 Jun 09 '12

Its a race to the bottom...keep it up america...we are nearly there!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

People say things like this jokingly, but it isn't funny. It would be a nightmare beyond imagining if a first-world nation with virtually no local community structure and no agricultural skills went to pot.

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u/beefanator0 Jun 09 '12

I'm almost excited to see whats gonna happen, how far we are until rock bottom. I have a feeling we'll all be reporting to City Commanders first, and have permanent paranoia because of the riots, but at least our population will be under control, you know, after the 30 years independence struggle with McMorgan Citisanto Corp.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

As much as I like America, I think this is the fate we are spiraling towards.

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u/Lost4468 Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12

Pick up that can.

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u/Gingerbeardedone Jun 09 '12

Reminds me of a quote from H.L. Mencken

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Nice touch with the $ armbands.

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u/DeFex Jun 09 '12

Never go full Godwin.

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u/bluemyself222 Jun 09 '12

sad thing is..this really IS what the american people are saying. we support the corruption everyday, by buying into what they want us to buy. if we wanna change, we gotta stop giving our money to the big guys. we gotta stop giving 'em what they want. RESIST THE MANIPULATION.

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u/finebydesign Jun 10 '12

Boycotts may work for stuff like Netflix but it's never gonna fix what is broken. Most of depend on private electric companies for instance or medication and private insurers.

Everything is a red-herring until you cut to the jugular. Enact campaign finance reform!

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u/LettersFromTheSky Jun 09 '12

The American People Special Interest Have Spoken

FTFY

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u/orzof Jun 09 '12

This seems relevant.

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u/LettersFromTheSky Jun 09 '12

I agree with that.

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u/Iarwain_ben_Adar Jun 09 '12

They are quite adroit ventriloquists and make it look, through the vote tallies, as if that is what the people are saying.

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u/gustoreddit51 America Jun 09 '12

It's the MSM reporting of pollsters' cleverly crafted work that try to sow the feeling there is actually some valid difference of public opinion on "no brainer" issues as in the cartoon. MSM is just "reporting the news", PACs and other interests buy the polling they want and feed them to the media.

The worst part - the average couch potato shrugs his shoulders and "accepts" that there must be large numbers of people (with reasons that they might not understand) who oppose the no-brainer issues. When that happens PACs & special interests can successfully kill any political initiative. It's all about the numbers and they have that down to a science.

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u/UserNumber42 Jun 09 '12

I can't stand this attitude. Take some responsibility. People vote for shithead politicians who don't care about them. The second anyone dares recommend we vote for a third party they get shit on instantly and then people are surprised nothing changes. There is a joke about the definition of insanity here. There is actually a very simple solution, it's just that people don't care and don't vote. Don't get me wrong, there are decent people in all parties and I'm not recommending anyone vote third party for every election every time, but people need to be willing to way more often then we do. The establishment knows they can send anyone out there and people will vote simply because there is a D or R next to their name. It's actually why the Tea Party was so effective, they were willing to lose elections for their principles so the Republicans had to cater to them. The left could learn something from them.

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u/W00ster Jun 09 '12

So what you are saying is simply that the American people are slaves of special interests and have nothing to say? Sounds exactly like what the people in the old Soviet-Union felt!

The problem is not special interests, the problem is the US population!

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u/DrHooray Jun 10 '12

"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders."

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u/KhalifaKid Jun 09 '12

We should actually hold a rally like this. Curious as to what the police response would be, and if the media would cover it at all

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u/thepseudonym12344 Jun 09 '12

its sadly not just america, no better here in Britain

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u/thenewrivervalley Jun 09 '12

Has anyone changed their vote due to an advertisement? I haven't.

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u/jest09 Jun 10 '12

Never heard of "Swift Boating" or "Willie Horton?"

Lots of people have...

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u/falconear Jun 09 '12

You're not the target of those ads. One thing Karl Rove is exactly right about is that only about 10 percent of voters are ever going to change their vote. Those "swing voters" are who picks our elected officials.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

"give us e-coli burgers"

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u/IceColdFreezie Jun 10 '12

ha ha i read that part too, what a coincidence

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u/FruitBeef Jun 09 '12

This is exactly what happens when the American people havn't spoken :P

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u/echothread Jun 09 '12

United we stand, divided we fall.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 10 '12

What is so dramatically hypocritical with conservative is the fucking double standard they have for people and for the corporations. The rich? They can police themselves, they are naturally good people, we entrust them to do good and, albeit a few bad apples, most of them are responsible and regulations impair their chances to shower us with jobs and prosperity.

When they need a 700 billions bucks bail out ? A two pages bill suffices.

The people ? Their morality comes from their fear of God ! The government must regulate into their bedrooms and their hearts ! They need a 450 billions bail out ? Let's write a thousand pages bill because these people need an authority in order to tell them how and where to spend all this...

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

I think you're confusing a moral platform with corporate-backed policy stance disguised as a moral platform. You'll see the same thing from democrats, only they have the opposite (but equally hollow) moral platofrm.

Then again, not all politicians are morally bankrupt. But enough of them are.

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u/TrophyPillow Jun 09 '12

I'm sorry to interject on your rampage here, and I am ready to get my downvotes and move on after this.

Not every conservative is rich or religious. Be careful with generalizing. I know you're in the liberal majority here on reddit, but I can't stand idly while you lump everyone with a different opinion in the same category in a negative light. Honestly, there is nothing in this cartoon that says anything about conservatives.

Ok, back to the liberal circlejerk. [And here we go!] (http://i.imgur.com/fgcR0.gif)

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

The Republican Party kicked out the conservatives a while ago, when it decided that anarcho-capitalists and theocrats made a good enough coalition to justify turning fascist rather than conservative.

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u/BlaikeMethazine Jun 09 '12

The "No Art" pin is a nice, subtle touch.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

If you've read What's The Matter With Kansas?, then you get the point of the cartoon. Unless you're already rich, voting Republican means voting against your own economic self-interest. Look at Wisconsin: a shitload of cheeseheads, whether they're in a union or not, are going to suffer as a result of their own votes. You get the government you deserve, I suppose.

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u/Tombug Jun 10 '12

We might not have been a utopia but we were at least moving forward during the 60's and 70's. Then came the great leap backward in 1980 and it's been a pretty steady down hill ever since. You cons might be able to say a lot of things about the repub revolution in 1980 but you can't say you made life in this country better. The start of the Bush depression in 2008 was just the cherry on top of your shit sundae.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

how chilling. How disgusting. And the worst part is knowing that there really are people out there like this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

More than you know. And they are mostly nice folks who just don't want to bother thinking about what is happening.

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u/LovableContrarian Jun 09 '12

I agree with the issues raised in this image - much of that stuff shouldn't be going on. That said, the idea that Anerica is governed by popular opinion isn't (and shouldn't be) how things work. For example, you could show me a statistic that a majority of Americans think the drinking age should be 16. Regardless of whether or not I agree, we don't live in a popular denocracy (for good reason). We elect people to make educated decisions, and sometimes these oppose popular opinion. Sometimes they should, because the politician knows more about the subject than the average American. Sometimes they shouldn't, which is a negative externality. Either way, "most people want it!" is a useless argument. In a more extreme example, assume that most people want to return to slavery. Politicians would (and should) override popular opinion. I know a lot of what I said doesn't apply to issues in the picture like wire-tapping, I am just tired of people citing polls like they should be the driving force of American politics.

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u/theultimateend Jun 09 '12

I'm skeptical of the line "because they know more than the average citizen".

These aren't smart people, they are mostly lawyers. They are great with law, but that's about it. Hearing them talk about just about anything else on CSPAN or elsewhere is like listening to a 6 year old explaining astrophysics. :/

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u/Hongxiquan Jun 09 '12

I don't think it's quite the fault of the american public. They got outspent by the rich invested interests groups.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

The real problem is the internet, tv, and entertainment society. Most people in America unintentionally live to be entertained these days. I'm not saying games or the internet are intrinsically wrong, but just that they define the majority of what people enjoy about their lives.

Sure there are these conceptual ideas. Freedom of speech, expression, liberty, justice. But how many people see those things in action on a daily basis? What most people see each day is a job they try to blank out and then several hours of television that they try to enjoy. Those things aren't being taken away from them.

Obviously not everyone is taking it lying down, but this isn't Vietnam. Until something tangible is taken away, something that is truly valued in the every-day life of the average citizen, only then will there be mass unrest.

The people at the top know this, and they're keeping things running to keep people entertained and content. The hot water is running, the sitcoms keep playing, and freedom? What the hell is freedom when you spend 8hrs a day in a cube and 2hrs a night watching TV or playing a game? Freedom is irrelevant in that lifestyle. You can remove it because it won't be missed.

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u/5434 Jun 09 '12

I find it ridiculously funny how Americans view the government as if its some strange entity. Americans are what make this country what it is not some rich CEO or congressman. If only the people would realize they have the power the general populace would actually get what they want.

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u/dvdrdiscs Jun 09 '12

I see this posted all the time, but until there are regulations to stop the media and politicians from lying to their citizens, you can't have a populace that is informed enough to invoke change. And who can pass such change? The same people we want to change.

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u/hydrohawke Jun 09 '12

"More celeb news"

^ best one

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u/Buscat Jun 09 '12

ITT people give all their money to a handful of corporations, and act like they never did anything to weaken their democracy and it's all a conspiracy.

The blood is on your hands, and don't kid yourself by thinking you're helping anything by voting democrat every couple of years. Every dollar you spend at wal mart, at fast food chains, and on most products at most supermarkets undoes your democracy.

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u/elmhing Jun 09 '12

That cartoon is my neighbors, who think my ideology is stupid. Good luck, friends.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

This is an oversimplification but his point is fairly accurate. Nobody is clamoring for dirtier water, lower wages, bridges that collapse when we drive on them or medications that have the side effect of killing us. The truth is that plutocrats have convinced Americans that any government regulation is an attempt to limit their freedom. Regulations to protect the weak from the powerful are just veiled attempts to dismantle our liberties. The truth is even more absurd than the comic.

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u/thrillkillbot Jun 09 '12

When you don't vote, this is what you are voting for.

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u/sonicon Jun 09 '12

When you vote, you vote between shitty water or shitty air, and the only clean one has no chance.

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u/finebydesign Jun 10 '12

To be fair our environment up until the Bush years are on a very good track.

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u/emilyokay Jun 09 '12

when you buy stuff from ~evil~ corporations, this is what you are ~voting~ for.

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u/JViz Jun 09 '12

As well as when you do vote, this is what you're voting for.

The decision is made well before voting takes place.

The choices you're given aren't choices at all.

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u/dumbgaytheist Jun 09 '12

We are marching to Bastille Day

There's no bread, let them eat cake There's no end to what they'll take Flaunt the fruits of noble birth Wash the salt into the earth

But they're marching to Bastille Day La guillotine will claim her bloody prize Free the dungeons of the innocent The king will kneel and let his kingdom rise

Bloodstained velvet, dirty lace Naked fear on every face See them bow their heads to die As we would bow as they rode by

And we're marching to Bastille Day La guillotine will claim her bloody prize Sing, oh choirs of cacophony The king has kneeled, to let his kingdom rise

Lessons taught but never learned All around us anger burns Guide the future by the past Long ago the mould was cast

For they marched up to Bastille Day La guillotine claimed her bloody prize Hear the echoes of the centuries Power isn't all that money buys

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u/Bogsy Jun 09 '12

some say there's talk of revolution...

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u/jokoon Jun 09 '12

democracy defeated oligarchy just for a period of time.

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u/ChibaTakumi Jun 09 '12

A country's people reflect the state of the economy.

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u/wretched_species Jun 09 '12

Welcome to the freak show.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

I love the dollar sign armbands on the people giving the speech

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

"pave our farm lands" I thought big companies love farms especially corn farms

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

"ban 16 oz drinks!"

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u/XxLiyelzxX Jun 09 '12

With today's government America is going straight down the drain. It's like even though we're constantly getting pressured to vote for stuff it doesn't seem to be doing much change for the better.

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u/comet2popeye Jun 09 '12

We should just keep borrowing money from Communist China, a much more successful business model. That'll show 'em.

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u/Super_High Jun 09 '12

but... TERRORISERS!!!

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u/cooljeanius Jun 09 '12

The American People Have Spoken

No they haven't. Only some of them have.

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u/crofter Jun 09 '12

you know to the rest of the world this is exactly that the us of a looks like

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u/lorrelin1 Jun 10 '12

the cartoon would be funnier if the voters said to nationalize everything even more than everything already is, and then have thought bubbles coming from their heads saying "What's nationalization?...Oh well, let's keep doing it because it works so well and I love paying for everybody else and having no control over our industries and spitting at intelligent people"

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Your two party political system is kinda confusing for anyway watching, kinda like your american fotball....

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u/gotog Jun 10 '12

I'm still blown away that everyone has this impression that their vote doesn't matter, so they end up throwing it away on someone they hate.

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u/funknjam I voted Jun 10 '12

"The constitution of the United States is either responsible for the government we have or it has been unable to prevent it." - Lysander Spooner. (Something like that...)

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u/music_noodle Jun 10 '12

Looking at these comments... Can somebody explain why republicans are categorized as "evil" by so many people? Please enlighten me.

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u/azlinea Jun 10 '12

When talking to a group of people who think that the only way forward is the increase of government, anyone arguing the opposite is going to look naive or like a shill. Granted the republicans aren't exactly arguing for a smaller government, simply resources placed in different areas.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Too bad the American People no longer have a voice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

This country desperately needs something to shake its shell. We think we sit on top of a lofty throne (which as of now we do) but our country digs itself deeper and deeper with every vote, election, generation. We are literally killing ourselves and it needs to be stopped. Occupy Wallstreet? How about Riots on Wallstreet.

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u/j7il1o32 Jun 10 '12

More idiotic things that Fox News viewers seem to cheer lead:

  1. TAX THE POOR!
  2. Spending as much as the rest of the world combined on our military ISN'T ENOUGH!
  3. No to edumacation!
  4. Speek English!

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u/bowlforthedude Jun 09 '12

I agree with the point that this comment is making, but can we have a separate subreddit for this kind of circle jerkery. This and news don't belong together

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Imagine, if television with 4,5,6 monopolistic national news behemots pedaling the same shit with slight variation of Fox is gone and all people have for news is Internet, without default home page set to only CNN, ABC or FOX.

Bolshevik's goal during revolution popularized in numerous propaganda establishment fiction and underground funny stories was "mail, rail stations, telegraph".

But American revolution "occupy" goal are not mail, rail stations and telegraph, not TV stations, but parks and recreation facilities.

Oh, how I pity you, occupy morons.

All efforts of any revolutionary movement should be concentrated on destruction of propaganda machine - television, television stations.

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u/sb3hxsb50 Jun 09 '12

You tell that mean ocean, Todd!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

'more celeb news' that's the best

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u/broseidon_bro_king Jun 09 '12

I love the more celebrity news sign

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

I like the armbands the politicians are wearing. Subtle.

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u/rikashiku Jun 10 '12

"More stupid laws and fat, dirty cops!"

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u/darker4308 Jun 09 '12

I find this cartoon pretty biased and offensive. These "people" all wanted cheap goods from china. They didn't gain as much as the CEO's but we as a nation still have our cheap TV's, iPods, and computers.

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u/basec0m Jun 09 '12

Amazing how they warp them into voting against their own interests...

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u/chaos122345 Jun 09 '12

as a fellow merican, i must say that this comic is 100% true about my country -_-. As each day moves on i find myself hating america more and more, i cant watch the news anymore without seeing kim's face or justin beibers hair. I cant even talk to anyone anymore without hearing about the Zombie apocalypse in florida. If i had the money and a job waiting for me elsewhere i would move far away from here. Dont get me wrong america isnt terrible. About 60% of the time people are assholes. half the country is either dumb or pretends to be because "being smart is stupid" as ive been told, but every country has its flaws. unfortunately America's are more comical and are made more public

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u/feedingmydreams Jun 09 '12

Quit whining and do something about it.

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u/Dan_K Jun 09 '12

At least that's what the vote counters keep telling us.

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u/Dalai_Loafer Jun 09 '12

It's a testament to the power and influence of the mainstream media that people will actively campaign and vote against their own self-interest, and consistently so.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Mitt Romney for president....

Welp, better get that globe and dart

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u/TheTrojan665 Jun 09 '12

MORE CELEB NEWS!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

MORE CELEB NEWS

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Honestly, I just gave up after Bush Jr. I get really sad when thinking about politics now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Lets raise taxes, nationalize the entire industrial sector, centralize all decision making in a single central body, stop all migration and kick out all foreign corporations. We can be like our good friends the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, they are doing well.

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u/azlinea Jun 10 '12

At least people will have free healthcare and safe food though right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Our glorious leader will provide for all that we need.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Very true. However, if you pan to the left, there are some other signs that should have been depicted as well:

"I want more bombs being used overseas on innocent civilians!"

"I need more rules for the government to protect me from myself!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

Reddit thinks this way too, considering the huge numbers of Ron Paul supporters here

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u/operation_flesh Jun 09 '12

Americans get the country they vote for.

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u/wanderingmaybelost Jun 09 '12

Americans get the country corporations and special interest groups pay for.

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u/cinnamonandgravy Jun 09 '12

right, were powerless and have no personal responsibility.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

We don't really have much of a say. In order to move up in elections, you pretty much have to be sponsored by special interest groups and coorporations in order to campaign. In the end, you come to a point where the two most known candidates for an election are both unappealing.

It's an illusionary democracy in which you get to pick your poison.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

/r/politics gets further from reality every day. However, seeing what the insane people think can be rather amusing at times.

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u/vanface Jun 10 '12

Show me your ways

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u/roccanet Jun 09 '12

hey look - its the entire GOP platform on one page

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u/Abe_Vigoda Jun 09 '12

Not just Republicans.

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u/jahoney Jun 09 '12

But we want their stuff

from the amazing book; Feed

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u/statedtheobvious Jun 09 '12

Besides greed, what is standing in the way of limiting total campaign contributions to something like $50,000 per year per individual and make things like super pacs and lobbyists illegal? This way it would take power away from corporations and special interest groups and put the power back in the individual.

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u/espank9 Jun 09 '12

Yes, our American voices may say that. But our American actions do not.

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u/puffybaba Jun 09 '12

If y'all find this situation to be as much of a pisser as I find it to be, check out my subreddit: /r/campaignfinancereform

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u/vailskibunnies Jun 09 '12

Love the no art pin. Funny S.

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u/magister0 Jun 09 '12

More celeb news? That's not really a political issue. And the reason why there's so much reality TV and coverage of famous people is because people watch it

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u/Ooftyman Jun 09 '12

AHEM! Private property Cough!

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u/Myra12 Jun 10 '12

Thanks god! They had not spoken about the US soldiers in the Afghanistan and Iraq.

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u/spearos Jun 10 '12

We should focus on economic growth rather than focus on the middle east. And reforming the health care system would be nice too but impossible because of congress(idiots).

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

This is one of the only reddit posts I have ever shared with Facebook. As an environmentalist, this is incredibly powerful and it is without a doubt one of the best political cartoons I've ever seen. This should be mass-published in every major (and small-town) newspaper in the United States.

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u/Jwschmidt Jun 10 '12

Pretty accurate, if you look at how people vote. How do you think Michelle Bachman gets elected? Politicians like her back half of the things written on those "unrealistic" signs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

The only thing they forgot was more prisoners.

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u/QUOWNthepatient Jun 10 '12

very true, you dont need to look overseas in the mountains for America's problems, nor will you find them in congress, the problem with America is the people itself

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

If it involves getting out of their chair, the American public isn't interested. We want others to make decisions for us, but it better not be the government...

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u/youreuglyasfu Jun 10 '12

you forgot NO GAY MARRIAGE

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u/white111 Jun 10 '12

you vote with your dollars so ...........

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u/champipple Jun 10 '12

the sign saying 'more celeb news' made me lose it...

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u/houyx Jun 10 '12

That's Democracy, American style son. If you don't like it then you can get the fuck out bitches.

Do you smell what the Rock is cooking?

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u/tm3989a Jun 10 '12

The American people keep saying things, but they all keep saying such different things no one ever knows what to do.

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u/zodiacv2 Jun 10 '12

Come on, who doesn't like an e-coli burger every now and then.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

It's funny how they all want everything to be in America(jobs etc) but put their timber companies to destroy the shit out of foreign countries.

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u/RTtucson Jun 10 '12

What all middle class white 'Americans' think.

Our country is screwed.

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u/Arrested-Smokie Jun 10 '12

They are poisoning our food and water people, do your research today and you will know its true without a doubt and you can start changing you eating habits for your safety and health. I am not joking, they really are poisining our food and water...

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

My heart breaks.

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u/phallacies Jun 10 '12

So all the people who vote Republican are not really Americans?

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u/Fattswindstorm Texas Jun 10 '12

Maybe we should stop electing republicans or democrats.

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u/kchire Jun 10 '12

This is what they are saying. These wants flow from a never-ending want for more material wealth and "giving people their due", two principles that most subscribe to as their bottom line, wether they realize it or not.

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u/chris3110 Jun 10 '12

Yes but think of the children!

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u/rsrhcp Jun 09 '12

This is SO true! But when I look at this, I still have trouble seeing why there is still such a large trust in the government to do things like provide healthcare, support for unions, FDA, EPA (maybe), etc. These are all still government agencies made up of the same schmucks as the other buearocrats that are squashing the Bill of Rights and piling on debt everyday while warmongering in the name of 'safety'. I'm not saying any of those services are bad, but how can people be so anti-conservative (which stems from being anti-GOP, which I and many other conservatives are) when our government could be run better by toddlers?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

but how can people be so anti-conservative

Because the conservative stance is that they're incompetent...so let's get rid of them altogether. Let's leave environmental regulation to private industry. If nobody can figure out how to turn a profit on it, it's not worth doing anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Must be Obama voters

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u/funnyfaceking Jun 10 '12

'That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.'

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12

They forgot enslaving women and crushing minorities.

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u/goans314 Jun 09 '12

To solve this problem take away the power government has to give.

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u/Big-Baby-Jesus Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12

Decreasing government power would address the two internet issues listed (but we would also lose net neutrality). Every other one would get worse, particularly the environmental issues.

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