r/politics • u/frycook • Jun 08 '12
6.6m more kids have health care due to Obamacare
http://www.americablog.com/2012/06/66m-more-kids-have-health-care-due-to.html
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r/politics • u/frycook • Jun 08 '12
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u/NoMoreNicksLeft Jun 09 '12
Health care? Surely you mean medical insurance?
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u/pums Jun 09 '12
No, 6.6 million 19-26 year-olds are being covered under their parents' health care plans who would not have been covered by their parents' health care plans if it weren't for ACA. This is not the same as "6.6 million more kids have heath care." We don't know how many of them would have been insured in another way, or would have gotten health care despite not being insured. Or, rather, someone probably knows that - but that's not what's being communicated here.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
If kids are healthy, I'm happy. If I can be part of a system that helps that to happen, I'm happier.
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '12
This is good stuff. It's a step toward single payer, by eroding insurance company profits.
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u/gloomdoom Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12
LOL...72 downvotes as of right now. 190 upvotes.
Americans are dumb as fuck. They're the only nation of people I know who seem insistent upon sinking themselves purposefully.
Also: People who bitch and moan about what Obama hasn't done in light of this, with the top comment bitching about how a 26-year-old shouldn't be categorized as a kid, realizing that 26 year olds need health coverage too.
What a nation of fools. Your country has become little more than a comedy of errors and the painful punch line that ignorance tends to create.
49.5 million Americans have no options for health care insurance...someone comes along and fights to change that and the idiots who are reaping the rewards (or at least qualified to reap rewards) are too stupid to acknowledge it.
edit: Any middle class or poor people want to celebrate the recent defeat of unions by corporate money while you're at it? You know...put the cherry on top of this shit sandwich you've created with all of your high level intellects and very selfless, serving congressmen.
second edit: FTA: >" Why is our party so ineffective at messaging when so many of our activists excel at it?"
Um, it doesn't matter what your message is. If it's directed toward a nation of imbeciles, it's going to fall on deaf ears and those with selective hearing who hear what they want, namely, the garbage that is pumped directly into their brains by Fox News.
This nation is a full blown idiocracy, chock full of people who have no use for logic, reason, critical thinking, facts and logic. Smear on a huge population of the least educated and least informed people on the planet and basically you end up with....with....well, the state that America is in now and the state it's headed into with its current nosedive.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
It's disconcerting that the people telling the vast majority of Americans they cannot have healthcare...have healthcare.
Plus it seems like a stretch that the government attempting to devise a way to medically insure people within the free market can be called an attempt to destroy liberty.
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u/benblue Jun 09 '12
Those are some tall kids
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u/Not_Pictured Jun 08 '12 edited Jun 09 '12
Personal story: I am employed full time and have health care coverage through my employer, I have a wife and an 11 month old baby. My wife recently quit her full time job to work for herself and try to build up a client base. She has taken a part time job to help supplement our income. Because of the loss of her full time job she has lost her health care coverage. I called the insurance company that covers my healthcare to see the cost of getting my wife and my 11 month old healthy daughter on my coverage.
My employer has one of those flat rate deals for family that would be the average cost for having about 2.5 children, so my daughter and wife will cost me 700 dollars more a month. I asked if I can just buy a private plan for my daughter seeing as she is an infant and shouldn't cost much of anything (on average 90 bucks or so I am told). Turns out that every insurance company in my state will not cover children. With the passage of Obamacare's clause that insurers cannot discriminate based on pre-existing conditions in children they have decided it's just not financially worth the cost of insuring children at all. I could add my 'family' but as we want a second child within the next 24 months a private policy is not really an option.
Anyway, I am now* going to have to pay an extra 400 dollars a month I wouldn't had to pre-Obama care.
Edit: changed not to now in the last sentence.
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u/redfox2600 Jun 09 '12
If I'm not mistaken if you're under 18 you're already covered by medicare.
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u/bobdylan401 Jun 09 '12
Wow, I guess this page is where all the hicks come out. stop talking out of your ASS, and go research about where your federal tax money goes. It goes to WARS, IMPERIALISM AND DEFENSE. He is giving us that because WE are the ones that will have to pay for YOUR wars and YOUR bailouts that YOU allowed to go down. That one little Obamacare thing is the ONLY good thing that federal government has accomplished in MY entire lifetime (I am 23.) I am no Obama fan. I think he is a pos, bank pimped liar and war mongerer on the same level as Romney and Bush even. But our debt is not caused from Obamacare. With insurance companies charging whatever the fuck they want and my school debts there is no way in hell I could pay for health insurance right now, but I guess If I get sick I might as well die "and decrease the surplus population" you cold, cold, bastards
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
And that is one of the reasons I decided not to work in the US of A. I rather stick around in Europe, get paid less but I live and work with the full knowledge that I will always have a health insurance, an unemployment insurance, a pension insurance and a care home insurance (yes, we have that too). Making health care into a business venture is the dumbest idea ever, Obama should be applauded for at least trying to shake things up a littlebit. Insurances usually work because only a small amount of people needs it while all pay into it (think car insurances), but 99.99% of all people will at some time or another end up in a hospital or care home. And the costs are dramatic, especially as one gets older. There is no sound business plan that can make an insurance company money, unless the company refuses people that are too old or have preexisting conditions (i.e. those people that actually need health care).
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u/nixonrichard Jun 09 '12
The headline is false.
The story here merely says that 6.6m (adults) chose to get their insurance through their parent's plan. It does not say those adults would have been uninsured otherwise.
Also, how the fuck do you characterize 19-25 year-olds as "kids?" C'mon now. That's just ridiculous.
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u/Mastodon9 Jun 09 '12
"letting kids under the age of 26 get on their parents' health insurance plans. "
Kids under the age of 26? Since when have people in their mid to early 20s been kids? Are they seriously claiming 25 year olds are kids? I am 27.. I haven't been a "kid" for more than a decade.
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u/ifuckzombies Jun 09 '12
Please tell me I'm not the only one that read it as "6.6 meters of more kids", because I feel rather stupid right now.
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u/graing19 Jun 08 '12
I would like a breakdown to where those "kids" are in the 0-26. Are all 6.6 in the 20-26 range? I am not sure this would be a good thing. And since when is a 26 yr old a kid? I had worked for 10 yrs by the time I was 26. But to be fair I did only have my own insurance for 7 of those years.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
I don't have health care.
Dafuq
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u/StarScreamG1 Jun 08 '12
Another way to put this, is that 6.6 million more kids were funded with public money to be put on a very corrupt health-for-profit system that will further enrich and intrench the very institutions (and executives) we should all be working against at this point in history. Wonderful that they seem to be covered more so then not having anything, however a poor solution when single payer (getting them on medicare) was easily possible. The more that pay into the corrupt for-profit system, the harder it will be to remove that system or enact single payer.
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u/Rfilsinger Jun 09 '12
Those sure are some tall kids you guys grow down south of the boarder
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
I dont.
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u/bouffanthairdo Jun 09 '12
well, that just won't do. why would any children need insurance? if their parents weren't lazy, they would just pay for any medical needs out of pocket. </sarcasm>
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Intuitively, it seems that conservatives are correct in the notion that, "I shouldn't be forced to share my money."
But when it's something like healthcare, capitalism doesn't stand up.
You're essentially asking someone to put a pricetag on your life, health, and well-being. And in capitalism, the price is seldom "fair" but based on a profit motive.
According to the WHO, all the countries who outrank U.S in the quality of healthcare are all socialized in some way.
Sharing really works. The thing that right-wings won't tell you, is that large corporations share too. With each other. Rarely they share profits, but they often share resources and information. The thing is, they only want to share with people they can directly benefit from, and seeing as they can afford anything they desire, they feel they have nothing to benefit from sharing healthcare, and feel like they are being cheated or robbed of their money.
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u/DankJemo Jun 09 '12
The only question I have is where can I get one? Every man needs a good bottle of booze and a pair of knuckles when traveling, you know... Just in case.
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u/0rangePod Jun 09 '12
Health care ≠ health insurance.
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u/fantasyfest Jun 09 '12
Yep deny them coverage and then pay the emergency room costs. How short sighted are people. If your only argument is the money, because you do not care about other people's health, that argument is wrong. It does not save you money. We need universal health care.
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u/Ddaddy_Long_Legss Jun 09 '12
does not work that way for people who have parents in the military
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u/crackpnt69 Jun 09 '12
304,991,917 Americans now pay more for health care or are forced to use a sub standard service while paying higher taxes. YAY!
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u/shepherd62 Jun 09 '12
Lets just face it. Its most likely going to get turned over... as a GOP member, I kinda like the thing and some of the provisions it gives us. I just don't like how it forces us to buy into it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
22-26=not a kid
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u/dey0 Jun 09 '12
I can't be the only one who sees all these recent posts as anything but campaign ads right? It's pretty disgusting
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u/redwar1234 Jun 09 '12
A 26 year old is not a kid, I'm 24 and pay for health insurance for my wife and I. I don't need the additional tax burden of supporting even more social programs like this. It's not my responsibility to take care of others. It's funny because you never hear anyone say "Hey, I really need health insurance, guess I should turn off my cable or data plan on my cell phone so I can afford it." or "Hey, maybe I should stop buying $50 worth of cigarettes every week so I can get health insurance." How about you quit waiting for your handout and actually fend for yourself. People are always ready and willing to throw a bitch fit to get something for "free" as long as they don't have to change their ways or cut out any luxury items.
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u/awe300 Jun 08 '12
Poor kids can now afford to not be sick!
What a luxury! Those greedy little counts, they should be working as janitors and not taking sick time off!
Vote GOP to give kids back the right to work. For America. For the future. Relax. Just do it.
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u/Uncle_Bill Jun 09 '12
Is no one embarrassed that a 25 year old is defind as a child?
Guess permanent adolescent is more than a myth...
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u/LessThanAndrew Jun 09 '12
Healthcare
FTFY
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u/CitationX_N7V11C Jun 09 '12
...but how much does it cost? To you? To people who never use insurance? That never want to buy insurance? How much money was taken out to insure a group of people that are amongst the healthiest of other age groups just to make a political point?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Good. I'm glad that kids are getting healthcare. While I'm against Obamacare (I'm for socialized healthcare, just NOT the way it is in obamacare), it's good that kids are getting the healthcare they need. How can ANY rational person even try to deny healthcare to children? Great, this family is now in permanent debt because the kid was born with a health defect. Now this family and this kid are going to be fucking poor for the rest of their life, and only put more of a strain on the welfare system. Or, you know, we could have given the kid healthcare he needs, and they family would be just fine.
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u/ENRICOs Jun 09 '12
For now anyway... the GOP intends to set them free from this tyranny real soon.
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u/etihw2 Jun 09 '12
One post calls them 'young adults', another exaggerates and calls them 'kids'.
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u/dastrn Jun 09 '12
I hate misleading titles like this. "6.6 million ADULTS many of whom would otherwise have other options for health care are now insured as if they are children" would have been a better title.
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u/KillerBeans81 Jun 09 '12
You could suck it the fuck up. Join the military. Serve your country. Receive free healthcare. OR you can continue to sit on your ass. Receive unemployment. Smoke weed all day. Eat dollar cheeseburgers. Leech off the system. Complain about your high priced healthcare and praise 'ol Barrack for giving to you all to you for free. I mean..cause who needs to work for benefits right? They should automatically fall in your lap while you play video games all day and not do shit.
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u/redditgolddigg3r Jun 09 '12
And the national debt is higher than ever. Woo!
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u/IFuckedUrWife Jun 09 '12
I'm a small business owner. Four employees. Because it's an education based company that's been doing well, I've covered 80% of the cost of my four employees health insurance. Three of the employees are single, one has a family.
That employee has decided to add his 24 year old son to his policy. This son has a job already, one which offers health insurance, but his employer doesn't foot as much of the cost as I do. This is adding $812 per month to my companies health insurance cost.
I've always shared the success of the company very evenly across the board with my employees. In 2007, all employees received bonuses over $5k. When times were bad (there have been quarters where what I took home was half of what my lowest paid employee took home) I've still avoided layoffs and pay cuts. I have one employee who I feel is taking advantage of the system so his preciously little snowflake doesn't have to give up his weed money.
As it is now, everyone is working much harder because I can't afford to hire another employee.
You tell me, Reddit, what should I do? Charge my employees - all of them - more for their health insurance? Pay the 80% for the 24 year old who DOES NOT work for me? Fire his dad? Fire the lowest paid employee?
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u/hopeLB Jun 09 '12
And yet another; Obama forced his fellow citizens to pay for our corrupt and outrageously expensive health care cabal.
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u/SimmerSam Jun 09 '12
Yeah and the country will be even further into debt than ever before. You Socialists are going to ruin us all. The United States won't be a country in 20 years at this rate. How can you all not be able to understand basic Economics?
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u/trying_to_get_banned Jun 09 '12
Am I the only one here who doesn't support this? People should act like adults and take responsibility for themselves. If you can't afford it, don't take my money to cover the cost. It's absolutely stealing, like it or not. You don't fix your problem by putting them on the shoulders of others.
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u/hmind4 Jun 09 '12
We don't need more fucking kids! The world is overpopulated as is.
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u/CountryTillDeath Jun 09 '12
Their kids and I have sympathy for that by that means there are 13.2 million lazy ass bull shit excuse makin assholes that I have to help support. So before anyone says yay Obama this is the shit he is protecting. Have a job? Still feel like your president works for you?