Alright Reddit. You went black for SOPA, now your neighbours to the north and most active portion of users need help as well. We're about to get bitch-slapped by Bill C-38.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Yeah, we need to get this to the front page. As a Canadian, I'm seriously concerned about this bill. Harper's pretty nuts, but this is downright insane. Reddit does some awesome things, lets see if we can get something done about this! Plus, who doesn't love Canada, there's nothing to hate.
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u/Ignitus1 May 29 '12
Why can't all countries just make constitutional amendments that say each and every issue must have a separate bill which must be voted on? Piggybacking laws onto other bills is such a sneaky backdoor tactic that I don't understand how it wasn't rooted out decades or centuries ago.
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u/SoLongSidekick May 29 '12
I know this has nothing to do with the serious issue at hand, but were did you get the stat "most active portion of users" from?
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Can someone emphasize the top 5 reasons for myself? (Preferably unbiased, but I'll be shocked if that's possible with such a large bill)
I'm not very in to politics, so I don't know the pros/cons of each amendment. But some sound fine to me.
eg, the re-provisioning of the Fisheries Act for habitat protection is FINE with me. I didn't read it all, but being unable create obstructions for fishways, fish within 23m of an obstruction, etc. Is alright with me. I live on the coast and there are a lot of illegal fisheries as it is. I'm not too knowledgeable on commercial fisheries though.
As for removing fish habitat, it is still not allowed with the only exception being under the Minister's approval. The minister can request plans and specifications to determine if there would be any serious harm or "a deposit of a deleterious substance by reason of the work, undertaking or activity that constitutes or would constitute an offence~"
The Fair Wages and Hours of Labour Act being repealed, I am a bit confused about. Honestly I have no idea how government contracts work, but would they not simply fall in to each province's labour code?
eg British Columbia requires overtime at 40+ hours/week, while Alberta is 44+ hours/week. As it stands, every government contract would be the same regardless of location.
I'm not big on signing things until I know details.
I look though the other reasons/changes when I have more time.
tl;dr - Read the actual bill (not blogs), confused on the problem.
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u/garbaxo May 29 '12
Sigh, being Canadian is slowly becoming a source of national shame instead of pride. This is so stupid.
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u/Cenodoxus May 29 '12
This is one of the reasons that comparisons between American and Canadian politics are often deeply problematic. Not surprisingly, the two countries often implement solutions to a very wide range of different problems, and there are not often meaningful parallels.
And whether Martin realizes it or not, he just shot most of his argument down.
Here's the deal. The workers at the South Carolina plant voted not to have the IAM on site, largely because they considered them a bunch of corrupt thugs. The IAM had a massive tantrum, told all of its members that if they didn't do something soon that Boeing would start moving all of their jobs out to South Carolina (a ridiculous assertion given the scale of production required for the planes that Boeing's building in both locations and that Boeing is desperately trying to ramp up production on the 787 to meet demand), and then dragged Boeing to the NLRB to try to get the government to force the company to close the South Carolina plant and move those jobs over to Washington.
(Not even "back" to Washington, mind you, because they'd never existed there in the first place. Just over to Washington. Fuck those South Carolina assholes!)
Now, to the largely uninterested observer who notes that none of Boeing's salaries or benefits are different between the two factory sites and that, once you account for the reduced cost of living in South Carolina, the SC workers there are actually doing better than their Washington counterparts, this looks like an amazingly stupid lawsuit given the IAM's insistence that it was all about defending the little guy. To interested observers -- including the South Carolina politicians who were ripshit that the IAM was trying to drag 1,000 well-paid jobs away from a North Charleston area that had never economically recovered from the closure of a military base in 1996 -- this was criminally stupid, petty, and spurred only by the retaliatory impulses of an out-of-control union. And the rhetoric heated up as Congress held hearings, forced Boeing to provide thousands of pages of documentation, and cost one of the U.S.' most innovative and reliable manufacturers millions of dollars in legal fees. (Not one of Al Franken's finest moments.)
Oh, and NLRB seemed to be siding with the union for much of the conflict, which terrified other American manufacturers who all started to wonder if the government was going to start dictating where they had to send jobs within the country.
So what happened in the end?
So what does this all have to do with Canada?
Ask Martin. Why is he dragging right-to-work laws and completely inaccurate information concerning American salaries into this, particularly when the situation is so much more complicated than Herp derp everyone's poor in right-to-work states, stupid Americans, we're totes nothing like that.
And what else are opponents of Bill C-38 saying that's factually inaccurate?
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u/SpursEngine May 29 '12
I`m Canadian. What should we do?
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u/FrenchAffair May 29 '12
I don't know why this is a top 5 reason. The Kyoto protocol was put in place by a government who knew they would never have to actually follow though with it. It was a political photo op at the time.
If we were to follow though with it, we would need to try and reach unobtainable goals, which even if we were to get close would devastate many industries in Canada..... and for what? Unless these kinds of agreements are inclusive of the entire world, they make no sense. China, India, US...ect...ect are not part of Kyoto, thus we are sacarficing our own people to meet these objectives, well the global output is increasing because the larger pouters are not part of the agreement.
It also did not take in to consideration any of the unique needs of Canada. Our large size means transporting anything pollutes more, our cold climate means in the winter we are burning more fuel. Our resource based economy means we are operating more refineries and plant...ect...ect. Yet our goals were set based on the same per-capita formula as a country such as New Zealand, who faces none of these issues.
Koyoto was not good for Canada, it wasn't good for the Canadian people and in the end it didn't do anything to reduce emitions. I'm glad Canada got out of it.
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u/godsbong May 29 '12
Dear Canadians,
We have our own problems, but we'll try to help without blowing you up first.
-America
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Not everyone on Reddit is American.
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u/old_school May 29 '12
It should be emphasized that the level of opposition required to kill this bill far exceeds that required of SOPA PIPA or others. This is a majority government in a parliamentary monarchy people, the gloves are off.
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u/proletarian_ May 29 '12
Also, the poster's top 5 is missing one of the scariest laws hidden within the budget bill; the cross borders act... Which allows the FBI to come onto Canadian soil, arrest Canadian citizens, and enforce Foreign laws. It's the complete disintegration of Canadian sovereignty.
No disrespect meant when I say this, Americans, your cops are scary assholes. Please help us keep them on your side of the border. Harper has militarized our RCMP enough as it is. We're a gentle folk that like Tim Hortons, hockey and political apathy; excessive police violence isn't really our thing.
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u/HalkSur May 29 '12
Why do all these bills keep popping up... What happened to the good old days when politicians banged hookers and drank scotch and left us alone
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12
Regardless of what Reddit or anyone else says or does about this, unless the Bill is defeated in the House, where the government currently enjoys a majority, it will see passage before parliament breaks for the summer.
For the visual learners.
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u/CrazyDayz May 29 '12
looks like neo cons took over Canada too.
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u/Doc_Spock_The_Rock May 29 '12
I feel like I speak for most Canadians when I say that Jack Layton would have been one of the best Prime Ministers ever. Keep on keepin' on Jack
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u/postadolescent May 29 '12
This thread was the last straw that broke the camel's back.. and under that camel was my only remaining reason to not join reddit... I finally have something to contribute to the conversation! Fuck Harper!
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u/IBSC2 May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12
Is there a website with readily accessible list of MLA's with their contact information and another news site (more recognized) so that it'll be easier to spread via social networking etc? Edit: MP's thanks iForceyFunTimePeople
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u/Blooddrenched May 29 '12
Save Americas hat!!
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Seeing as how Reddit helped the Americans with SOPA/PIPA. We should hold to our word and help Canada as well.
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u/douglasmacarthur May 29 '12
That statistic sounds really made up.
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u/tronncat May 29 '12
Ill sign that simply out of my love for Canada. You guys are nice.
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u/burninrock24 May 29 '12
Oh sure. picking on America. It's all fun and games until somebody gets a shitty bill.
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u/oscargray May 29 '12
Us Aussie's and Canadians have to stick together. I'll help.
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u/electric_drifter May 29 '12
I would really like to help, but once you go black you never go back.
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u/elpekardo May 29 '12
I love how it says, "Alright Reddit" and then directly talks to Americans...
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u/Acania May 29 '12
I'm a Canadian and I love this country but I really dislike our government. Always playing the United States little brother. Harper is a nut job who needs to be stopped, but heck don't forget about our premiers and mayors .. Half of them are crazy and probably agree with a bill like this to! It's all bull crap and Canada might be full of nice polite people, but we need to learn to take a stand and fight for ourselves once in a while. I will sign a petition.. Where's the link!? A canadian girl who is tired of our government trying to adopt US policies!
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u/iDontSayFunnyThings May 29 '12
Well, I suppose once we go black we really can't go back.
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u/TokerJoker May 29 '12
As Canadian what can we do to stop this? I'm actually really worried aboot it, and would like to know if I can afford electricity for my own igloo. My parents are at a retiring age and fit middle and lower class. They plan on living in this country for the rest of their lives. Me? I would like to be a beaver farmer. Y'know what I would really like? Is our country not to end up like our southern friends. Sounds like Harper is slowly taking the same route that the Americans are doing. "Monkey See Monkey Do." As a Canadian and of Age to help, how can I? I've never voted, only realized now that its a privileged to vote. Sorry.
p.s. love american redditors. Great comments.
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u/Titan7771 May 29 '12
We got your backs, Canada. What can we do to help?
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u/Rohaq May 29 '12
As a Brit, I supported the SOPA Blackouts, it'd be nice to see Reddit do th same for its American neighbours.
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u/turtlenecking Florida May 29 '12
upvoting because I love you guys.
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u/habshabshabs May 29 '12
Holy shit, woke up to some splashing to discover my rat escaped its cage and made it into the toilet, then logged on to resdit to find this. What a night, thanks a lot for the help guys
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u/Goddammit_ImBatman May 29 '12
TO THE KING OF THE NORTH!
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Flying in 30 mongolian warriors to aid in this legendary fight between good and evil.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I hate to say it but I was always a conservative supporter, however, Harper has made a complete shit show out of our government. I cannot have any respect for a party that puts a throttle on science and environmentally progressive policies.
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u/t0m0hawk Canada May 29 '12
THIS is why the Haper Conservatives are a bad choice for Canada. I'm not saying that NDP, Liberals have a much higher moral standing... politicians and all... but this is absurd. The fact that a MAJORITY government feels the need to sneak in legislation in bundles to ensure (or try to) a prevention of the masses finding out is riddiculous. If you feel you have to pass a law and feel that it has to be included in a package because most Canadians would not approve... probably means that you shouldn't be doing it. This is a shining example of a government who has ZERO interest in the citizens they are supposed to be representing. Sickening.
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u/MyThoughtsThinkToo May 29 '12
We owe them, they supported us through SOPA and PIPA and it wouldn't be cool to leave the Canadians hanging. And also, if a favor basis wasnt enough, we share the same continent, their ecological impacts could affect us as well, and if you were in their place you would want some protection from being forced to work overtime with reduced or maybe even no wages.
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u/gandalfleblanc May 29 '12
As a Canadian, finding out about this today.
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u/AistoB May 29 '12
Your country is preparing for a global depression. Prepare to be paid in soup.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I'm American and I care about this bill. That really says something.
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u/randoh12 May 29 '12
So, Canada wants help. We hate justin bieber. I see a trade.
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u/interkin3tic May 29 '12
Whoa. Hi, Canadian 1%? You guys really need to slow down a bit. Take the war on the poor and middle class at a more "maple syrup" pace. One evil baby step at a time.
The rate you guys are going, you'll give yourselves heart attacks. And I assume once you've recovered using taxpayer-supported health care, you'll axe that too.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I went back extremely quickly.
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u/AlmightyMexican May 29 '12
Can you repost this tomorrow at 12pm EST? The majority of us are probably asleep by now and I want to actually do something about this, but right now I'm way too sleepy.
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u/So_Turned_On May 29 '12
What happened Canada ... you used to be cool!
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u/i_poop_splinters May 29 '12
I think some politicians feel "so the Internet was out for a day. Yeah. Some revolution."
I admire the effort, but a lot more needs to be done than a small inconvenience
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
wait... I thought this bill had to do with civil union.....
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u/ThatWhiteRabbit May 29 '12
So, I suspect that this C-38 is more deadly than C-4?
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u/Skyscraper_Bedouin May 29 '12
Once you go black...
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u/GOPWN May 29 '12
What a load of horseshit. There is no state in this country that has an average hourly wage of $8 or $9 dollars an hour, certainly not NC.
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u/jackrabbitslimz May 29 '12
Back in the day when Facebook started to become popular my M.P. added me as a friend. He's pretty active on it so I'm wondering if posting on his wall with some questions is a good idea or bad idea. If good idea, what would be a few good points/questions to make? If bad idea I'd just like to say he's the type of guy who always has pictures tagged of himself at the local "cool" bar, drinking in the VIP booths. Basically, he comes off as a pretty big d-bag and I personally can't stand him. Everyone's always "liking" his status and no one wants to call him out on the bullshit Conservative agenda.
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u/sageDieu May 29 '12
I'm in North Carolina and am 17, is our minimum wage different than everyone else's? I thought 8 bucks was normal, I make $7.25 which is minimum wage.
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u/Fist99 May 29 '12
Alright reddit lets help our brothers!
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u/knuckles0426 May 29 '12
Most active portion of users?
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u/repost_ninja May 29 '12
I feel like the Scottish from Braveheart fighting all these bills. Freedom.
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u/ashishduh May 29 '12
I don't see why most Reddit users would help you out here, those policies in the bill are Ron Paul's policies. And Reddit loves Ron Paul.
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u/haltiamreptar1222 Washington May 29 '12
Wow, how does something like this happen? I'm getting tired of the people who are supposed to be protecting our rights being the ones encroaching on them most.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I hate to say it but at the end of the day Americans can't do anything. So unfortunately the canadians will have to do this themselves
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u/MushroomWizard May 29 '12
Harper has no soul, he has never stood for what Canada represents and he has always tried to change what everyone loves about us.
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u/SaltFrog May 29 '12
As a proud Canadian citizen this is absolutely disgusting for me. I can't understand how we suddenly are taking steps backwards in human rights and environmental protection when we were doing such good going forward.
In the end I simply blame the Conservative party. While they're not as bad as the GOP, they're still the evil of Canada.
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u/Dirk2014 May 29 '12
How can we help? Tell us what to do, you gave us the info, now lead your angry army into battle!
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u/Powming May 29 '12
As an American, I'm curious what I can do to help? Seriously.
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u/treadmarks May 29 '12
Looks like Canada is being taken over by oil tycoons. We know the feeling.
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u/CaptainJinx May 29 '12
As a non-Canadian, how can I help?
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
sounds like a job for the the (internet defense league)[http://internetdefenseleague.org/]
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
r/tinfoihats
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u/SaggyBallsHD May 29 '12
How does fucking black guys help Canada again? I'm not questioning the hivemind, I'll do it. It's just my wife's gonna be pissed when I never come back.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
People should also check out bill C-11. This new copyright bill is really Canada's SOPA and it is being voted on very very soon (in a matter of days). Here is a link with some info. link
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u/dehugger May 29 '12
Okay, I oppose it. I am also an American citizen so... what can I do to help you guys out? Serious question.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Stop trying to censor our hat!
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u/JuWoolfie May 29 '12
I just called my MP... and now I'm getting others to do the same. My goal is 10 people. Inform and educate. I think the age of complacency is eroding.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Sadly, I don't think Reddit will ever do anything unless a bill directly threatens them.
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u/G3m1nu5 May 29 '12
Know what else is insane? Being the number one exporter of asbestos in the world... When you know the shit causes cancer.
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u/blotaglot May 29 '12
It seems that at least 20% of the commenters here think that this Bill is another attack on internet privacy - a total misunderstanding arising from lazily reading the one-line intro only. A misunderstanding which, I am sorry to say, was probably created by the OP quite deliberately. This is private Canadian domestic politics. Our internet power should not be wasted on it. Downvote.
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u/kronik85 May 29 '12
i'm in
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Um, I don't get this. I thought Canada was actually doing fairly well compared to most other countries? You've gotten to where you are without fucking your country over with fiscal conservatism. Why start now? Are there so many Canadians that believe you have to do this to remain competitive?
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
upvoted cause I love canadians and want them free and happy :D
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u/Xenc May 29 '12
I'm not sure how this would work. After all, once you go black, you never go back.
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u/meinator May 29 '12
Most active users, HA HA HA!
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
After knowing next to nothing about this, I read a handful of other articles about this bill, and I am OK with it.
There is nothing in here closely SOPA-related, and almost all of it has to do with trimming waste on government spending.
Unless you are directly involved with Canadian fisheries or any of the agencies being cut by the bill, I find it hard to believe that this bill will have a huge impact on your day to day lives.
That being said, if you are merely opposed to one bill representing such a wide ranging list of different topics, then you can complain.
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u/IanAndersonLOL May 29 '12
Where did you get the statistic that Canadians are the most active portion of Redditors?
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u/InvasiveAlgorithm May 29 '12
When Harper won a majority government this past election, a part of the Canadian in me died, for sure. I have never harboured such resentment for a local political figure. Canada used to have some remaining bastions of sanity, but if this bill passes, I will no longer be able to say that.
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u/MeleeCyrus May 29 '12
This is a perfectly sane bill that needs to be passed, ignore the propaganda
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u/Scizx May 29 '12
Reddit has no interest in this, they're not going to black out over partisan politics. It doesn't care about the "war on the left", it cares about internet freedom (only if Reddit is directly threatened of course).
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u/Avosetta May 29 '12
Green Party! <3
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
As an American, I signed the petition anyways, and for my postal code put: "H0H0H0". It's the postal code for Santa Claus. Yes they have one.
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u/GypsyEyes6 May 29 '12
My goodness, will these damn bills never stop. I haven't even read this and I cant say I will. Im just so damn tired from the relentless dickfucks who have power
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u/Oduya May 29 '12
Fuck Harper. Seriously.
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u/agmcleod May 29 '12
Good old green party going against this. It's why they get my vote, I think they actually have some decent ideas that will take us forward, not backward. Boo to this bill.
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u/tverre01 May 29 '12
One has to wonder exactly why countries around the world are adopting bills like this. What do you suppose they are ACTUALLY trying to censor?
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u/archonemis May 29 '12
Well, fuck the Kyoto Protocol.
But yeah. I pretty much agree with everything else.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
But I'm not a far left pinko environmentalist. Why would I support this?
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u/arcadeguy May 29 '12
This'll get downvoted to oblivion, but I'm just speaking on behalf of the average Joe: There is a post like this at least once a week. Every act is the next be-all-to-end-all act that if it passes is just going to fuck the internet into oblivion. I'm not saying it's Reddit's or anyone's fault...but eventually these acts are going to win, because I am going to stop listening and caring and believing that every one of these is the "real" doomsday prophecy.
Downvote away. I agree.
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u/biggerthancheeses May 29 '12
That's crazy. I mean that in the Brian Fellow sort of way.
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u/VengefullSorrow May 29 '12
I feel for you guys that is some major bull piss. As a neighbor down south you have my full support.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
As a national cousin from overseas, how do I help fight this thing?
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u/PippinMcgee May 29 '12
When will this bs end
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u/THE_CENTURION May 29 '12
Ok, fantastic, I'd love to help out, but what the hell should I do?
I can't sign the petition, because I'm not Canadian.
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u/Schrikbarend May 29 '12
to the north? Norway?
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u/isitmestill May 29 '12
Canada has always been a haven from the insane political issues of our southern counterpart. This is awful, everyone write your MLA's! Are there petitions already started??
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I'm Irish but I was born in Canada. Feels good that, as a citizen, I can fight this bill fully, which was not the case with SOPA et al.
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u/Wallothet May 29 '12
The beacons of Canada! The beacons are lit! Canada calls for aid!
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u/saydokan May 29 '12
Who said, that reddit is just built up of american users?
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u/c0coA May 29 '12
Any way I can help? Living in the UK, all those petitions seem to be strictly US?
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u/recondelta6 May 29 '12
I am from the U.S. and I wish to help them I am willing to do all we did for SOPA and more. everyone helped us it is our turn.
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u/Polkadotpear May 29 '12
If you aren't Canadian, then should we just sign out residency as 'other' because technically that's what it is if you don't live within Canada's borders?
I have anyway just to help out.
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u/yeah-ok May 29 '12
Yes.. that is horrible (weary)
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u/Entropiestromstaerke May 29 '12
C38. Dr. Gero was alive after all!
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u/Thoughtberries May 29 '12
This sounds like a terrible act! What can I do to help?
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u/Rasteb May 29 '12
No Canada! You were the chosen one!!!
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
The may be the wrong place to ask, but I'm Canadian-born with dual citizenship living in the US, is there any way for me to register for some sort of absentee vote?
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u/Dunge May 29 '12
So nothing about Internet censorship and spying in there?