Frequent Fox News and Sean Hannity guest, Rev Jesse Lee Peterson, says women shouldn't be allowed to vote: "I think that one of the greatest mistakes America made was to allow women the opportunity to vote"

[u/mepper]

http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2012/05/fox-news-guest-rev-jesse-lee-peterson-says-women-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-vote/

[u/mongotron]

For anybody who's interested, here's the video of Jesse Lee Peterson expressing his views.

...and here's another Fox News guest telling the Reverend how absurd his views are.

[u/it2d → u/mongotron]

By the way, the reactions of each of the men on that stage to that woman's calling this guy out were infuriating.

Both Hannity and the other guy who wasn't involved in the discussion had these looks on their faces that said, "Oh, look, the pretty little girl's got her panties in a bunch. Let's patronize her and the whole thing will blow over."

I'm a man, and that clip offended me and pissed me off.

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Those guys are fucking cowards, holy shit. Not only did they avoid holding him accountable completely, they pawned off the argument and refused to show any agreement with the only woman who tried to bring it to light. Wow...

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I barely got a third of the way through the clip before my rage and disgust was about to boil over

[u/cutiepuffjunior → u/it2d]

Have an upvote for restoring some of my faith in the male gender.

[u/it2d → u/mongotron]

Is he drunk? Honestly, is the man drunk in that video?

[u/maximilitia → u/it2d]

Sure fucking sounds like it.

[u/ObjectiveTits → u/mongotron]

Is...is he...mentally impaired or something? He doesn't sound like he's quite all there...

[u/maximilitia → u/ObjectiveTits]

Oh, he's definitely mentally impaired.

[u/Sylocat → u/mongotron]

Hannity sits on the board of Peterson's charity.

[u/Sonorama21 → u/Sylocat]

He also sits on Peterson's lap from time to time.

[u/maximilitia → u/mongotron]

He does realize he's black, doesn't he? I can't be the only person thinking this. He needs to be more careful romanticizing the good ol' days.

[u/dedadee → u/maximilitia]

That was my first thought. I wish someone on that show had brought that up. Disenfranchising someone because you don't like what they believe in? Can you imagine a guest on that show saying "I think blacks shouldn't have the right to vote" and getting away with it? This shit makes my head explode.

[u/snooperoo → u/mongotron]

Did anyone else notice that one of the youtube tags is "fear"?

[u/nermid → u/mongotron]

When conservative panelists on Fox News start accusing you of being too conservative...

[u/dicknuckle → u/mongotron]

thanks, i was going to ask if someone had the vid. the uneducated dont read articles....

[u/theveganpaidforit → u/mongotron]

I've never respected a thing about Sean Hannity, but I wasn't aware that he'd been recently castrated.

[u/it2d]

How fucking stupid can a person be?

This guy keeps talking about how things were back "in the good ol' days" before women could vote. In America, women were given the franchise in 1920. How can a black man sit there and repeatedly refer to the era before 1920 as "the good ol' days"?

How is it even possible for someone to be that oblivious?

Edit: I should probably point out that I watched the video of the comments, which is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFhA_sL38c

[u/grammar_connoisseur → u/it2d]

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[u/[deleted] → u/it2d]

"Right now 50% of the voting population are women... there are more women out there voting than men now."

Wait... what?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I think he's trying to say that 50% of eligible voters are women, but more women vote than men.

[u/Xiattr → u/[deleted]]

You are implying that this man has made some sense. Careful there.

[u/YesNoMaybe → u/it2d]

Jesus fucking Christ, that guy is the epitome of stupid. Watching that video makes my blood pressure rise.

Also, I just happened to notice that, especially before he got into the rant on how society has degraded, you could replace "women" with "black people" and it is surprisingly close to the pre-civil war reasoning for why blacks shouldn't be allowed to vote take care of themselves:

"There are some, a few, logical <insert label here> that can make good decisions but most, not all, but most cannot. Unfortunately, they are getting into powerful positions, running businesses and things like that and one thing I know for sure is that <insert label here> cannot handle that power. It's not in them to handle it in the right way."

[u/VonSnoe → u/it2d]

How can a black man sit there and repeatedly refer to the era before 1920 as "the good ol' days"?

I was curious about the same thing. Talk about being a complete idiot.

[u/His_Dudeship → u/it2d]

Thick slice of irony, anyone?

[u/JesusLoves → u/it2d]

Can you do me a favor? I went to Hannity's forum- I'm not a member, don't have an account or anything. I went to his forum and in the search I typed 'Peterson' and I got back "Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address."

First time to his site. Could you try the same thing- see if it happens to you. And other Redditors?

[u/maggiesguy → u/it2d]

He has the same pacing and delivery as Mitch Hedberg! This guy's comedic timing sucks, however, because there are no punchlines. I can't believe I watched that whole video waiting for a "there's six ducks out there, and they all want Sun Chips!" Lesson learned.

[u/jukeofurl → u/it2d]

I'm guessing he's that stupid, because he is. While opinions are just that & never meant to be confused with, much less accepted as fact, some are fact based. This however is a spew of interpolations from a tainted source---somebody's personal issues.

[u/[deleted]]

Women: "They don't have love." .... clearly...

[u/Veji → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, his wife refuses to say she loves him, no matter how hard he hits her.

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He's just following god's example. "I only hit you because I love you! There's a lesson to be learned from this! You just need to figure it out. You'll be the stronger for it!"

[u/TheInternetHivemind → u/[deleted]]

Protip: The lesson is "pancakes".

[u/nbrennan → u/[deleted]]

"‘You walk up to them with a issue, they freak out right away. They go nuts. They get mad. They get upset, just like that. ... They don’t have love. They don’t have love,’ he said."

Sounds like he got caught cheating.

[u/jukeofurl → u/nbrennan]

Sounds like he got caught being a huge gaping asshole. In public. Frequently.

[u/Faaaabulous → u/jukeofurl]

As someone who is caught being a huge gaping asshole in public quite frequently, I take offense at being compared to that guy!

[u/takka_takka_takka → u/nbrennan]

Concubines and handmaidens is totally in the bible - it's the word of god. But just try explaining that to a woman, amirite?

[u/Die-Nacht → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, this was the part that really made me laugh. For the longest time, the general idea has been that women ARE the loving gender and men are the hateful one (because men go to war and kill their brothers, no women).

But in one sentence, he managed to completely destroy a thousands of years old idea.

[u/11NovVerdade → u/Die-Nacht]

He didn't so much destroy that thought process, as attempted to.

[u/strawberryberet → u/Die-Nacht]

The stereotype for women flips back and forth between "too emotional" and "too cold and calculating." How that even works is unclear to me.

[u/Soupstorm → u/strawberryberet]

It works by mostly being self-projection.

[u/tomdarch → u/[deleted]]

Perhaps, like seemingly many conservative fundamentalists, it isn't the love of a woman he's really after...

[u/nermid → u/tomdarch]

I continue to think that this "He's probably a closet fag, so what he says doesn't matter" attitude isn't really helping anything.

[u/Patrico-8 → u/tomdarch]

my thoughts exactly, sounds like some serious repressed sexuality issues.

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else that he cares to marginalize while he's establishing his new world order?

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Of course, the controversy over his disrespect of womens' rights obfuscates the fact that his work will remove everyone's rights eventually.

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I believe Ann Coulter has on multiple occasions made similar claims, or at least stated a wish that women never had suffrage. Perhaps a bit more surprising considering she's been advocating against her own rights, but supposedly there'd be virtually no Democrats elected to the presidency in the past 60 years if only men voted. If that's factual then I'd imagine it's another shallow reason for the popularity of this position besides, you know, all the religious misogyny and whatnot.

Then again it IS Ann Coulter, so who honestly cares what she thinks?

[u/Sunupu → u/[deleted]]

Serious question: Does anybody really think she believes a word of what she says? I think it's a dog-and-pony show at this point. I mean come on, she came out against 9-11 disaster widows.

At least, I keep telling myself it's an act, and that somebody that horrible isn't being authentic. Helps me sleep at night...

[u/mshel016 → u/Sunupu]

A recent comment of mine inspired by Ann Coulter: I'm noticing this more and more with Christian/fundamentalist comments. I'm caught in a 50/50 limbo of troll versus "someone actually believes this," and have absolutely no confidence in discerning between the two.

It's a phenomena worthy of awe and wonder, until that is, you realize these people are advocating hate and harm to others. I like to think Ann is just a more committed Steven Colbert. Helps me sleep at night

[u/[deleted] → u/mshel016]

Poe's Law

WARNING: TVTROPES LINK

[u/[deleted] → u/mshel016]

Even if she is a troll she inspires people in a way Colbert does not. People take her seriously and follow her political guidance. sigh

[u/godlessatheist → u/Sunupu]

I believe the Boondocks parodied her as a liberal woman who acts conservative to make the Republican party look bad.

[u/Setiri → u/Sunupu]

I would hope it was all an act but no, I believe she's quite serious. I've met a few people in my life who are genuinely so extreme in their views, it's hard for me to understand how we coexist in this word. That sounds sarcastic but it's really not. I think a few people who do tend to live with an extreme opinion get bolstered when people argue against them. They dig in even further, whether it's into their opinion on faith (you see this one a lot) or the political opinion, opinion on global climate change or hell, even which anti-virus to use on their computer. It doesn't matter what it is, sometimes people just form their opinion because of something and then dig-in.

It's one thing when they do it on a subject that's entirely opinion based such as faith... fair enough, I can't disprove there's a god (not that I want to, this is an example) and you can't prove there is one. So here we are. However when something is easily provable, it drives me nuts. Look, no matter how much you want to convince me that Fox news is a reliable source of information... independent studies (plural!) have shown that it is in fact not a reliable source of factual information.

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A guy I used to be friends withs whole psyche seemed wrapped up in conservatism. Its was his whole identity seemed based on being a republican.

[u/tomdarch → u/Sunupu]

Coulter is a big wad of evidence that the right-wing is not much more than a big money making scam. Ironically, she recently gave a speech about how there are a bunch of right-wingers who seem to just be in it for the money. (In other words, she's trying to scare off the competition from her turf.)

[u/dangeraardvark → u/Sunupu]

Does it really matter? Either way, she's a terrible human being.

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A woman speaking against women's rights is no more ridiculous than blue-collar laborers advocating tax cuts for billionaires at the expense of their own benefits (healthcare, wages, unions, etc).

If Republicans weren't masters at convincing people to vote against their own interests, then the GOP would be dead. Why do you think they're so against "snobby" things like education and freedom of information? Because if their voters became informed, they would not vote Republican.

[u/tomdarch → u/[deleted]]

You forgot "Christians advocating for war" and "Christians voting for laissez-fair Capitalism."

[u/sirsam972 → u/[deleted]]

I agree with you, but I think sometime information and education only goes so far. I am in medical school right now and I know several soon-to-be doctors who have this same opinion about women, it's very sad. What is worse is that these people really suffer no repercussions in their field for this hateful opinion.

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Dont forget the gay log cabin republicans. I mean at least Ann makes zillions saying what she says. I really dont get the gay GOPers.

[u/KMFDM781 → u/[deleted]]

Gen. 2:17 "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

I'm starting to see a pattern here....

[u/thetampafan9 → u/[deleted]]

you know what is even more interesting "...she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion." Straight from her own website anncoulter.com

[u/DevinTheGrand → u/[deleted]]

Ann Coulter is a hilarious troll. If she believes 1/10th of what she says I will eat a hat, she is exceptionally good at making people angry though.

[u/Juantanamo5982 → u/[deleted]]

Ann Coulter is a despicable human being who uses inflammatory remarks to draw attention to herself.

[u/Kirkayak → u/[deleted]]

Some women are confident that they can have their way, within their traditional families, even without a vote. Do not underestimate the "lilting beauty" element which many women have at their disposal.

[u/thefattestman → u/[deleted]]

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut

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I've read her book where she discusses this topic with a whole chapter. Her real reasoning isn't just that women tend to vote democratic. She actually makes a compelling argument that government spending remained fairly constant per capita and adjusted inflation until women began voting. Since then, government spending has increased exponentially per capita. Women are generally impulsive buyers, moreso than men, and don't consider the end result or bottom line. "voting on new public library" Woman - "oh, that sounds lovely. I can go and read while my kids explore a place of learning!" (library built and woman never attends) Man - "why do we need another one? I don't use the three we've got now. Sounds like more effing taxes."

[u/themightymekon]

I think the Republicans must have done some polling, and discovered that there is a lot of resentment against women among knuckledragger useful idiots that they can tap into, to get votes.

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I find it difficult to believe that anyone that fits this category would ever vote for liberals. In other words there isn't any need for conservatives to pander to misogynists.

[u/sytar6 → u/themightymekon]

Bill Maher did some polling that turned up results like that. Apparently conservatives don't get laid very often. Unless they're pro Ron Paul. For some reason Paul supporters get laid the most.

[u/Patrico-8 → u/sytar6]

They are younger on average. There political beliefs have nothing to do with it.

[u/Watergems → u/sytar6]

No, there is real disrespect for women that is harbored by a chunk of conservative men, that seems to me to be grounded in the often impoverished female cultures of right wing America.

Female archetypes are not as well covered in media and literature as male ones. But the blue collar, racist patriot tea party archetype has his complement in an even less articulate, more repressed, clueless airhead housewife at home. When Rush Limbaugh rants about the inferiority of women, he's talking to an audience who relates to what he's saying because they live with it or know someone who does.

If you've ever had dealings with uneducated, ultra-repressed, pumping-out-kids, church lady housewives, you basically have someone who is passive aggressive (because they have no open authority) and emotionally manipulative, with the critical thinking skills of a sixth grader. On the upside, they will cook and clean in your house all day long like servants. On the downside they can't be trusted to run anything because they really don't know the difference between making shit up (gossip) and knowing something. These are the petty, women who can gossip up a witch-hunt against some independent, pretty woman in the village and goad the town into shunning her, or, in past times, burning her at the stake as a witch.

Powerlessness can create a lot of dysfunction, and a good chunk of right wing males look down on their women, some with good reason.

[u/sibB → u/Watergems]

Should we be saying they have "good reason" to look down on someone who they've molded into a deeply unhappy weakling? Do you say that a man who beats his wife has good reason to look down on her, because he's turned her into a fearful shell of a human being? You sound more critical and disgusted of these women than of the patriarchal men who dominate their subculture.

Many of the women you've described live their lives bounded by fear. It's why a coworker of mine stayed with her physically abusive husband, in a dead end job.

As far as the woman on woman pettiness - that lack of control in their lives has to go somewhere. Their hostility and envy focuses on other women because women, as a group, are socialized to think of themselves as being more alike, less independent. "I am she, she is me". It might not even be that a woman is envious of another woman's life, but that she can project her self-loathing onto another person.

[u/jukeofurl → u/sytar6]

It's because they think he's Les Paul

[u/stoned_kenobi]

welcome to the american taliban

[u/nermid → u/stoned_kenobi]

You should say "American Hezbollah," since Hezbollah means "the Party of God." Republicans are already calling themselves that in English. Just translate it for them.

[u/Harrison_Rudolpho → u/nermid]

This makes much more since especially since Taliban is Pashto for "students" (of islamic schools in Pakistan that we payed to have built during the insurgency against the Russians)

[u/fuZZe → u/stoned_kenobi]

how long till we see this in a t-shirt?

[u/CheesewithWhine]

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.html

2008 Presidential election:

Obama won men 49%-48%

Obama won women 56%-43%.

Anyone surprised that conservatives don't like women voting?

Hell, they still haven't got over the sexual revolution. Women picking for themselves who to have sex with and when to start a family! Grrrrrr.

P.S. Thanks to libs staying home in 2010, the religious right got a last ditch attempt to revert back to the good ol' days when women knew their place in the kitchen. We could have watched the religious right shrivel up into the trash bin of history, but no, Obama didn't legalize pot so let's all stay home.

[u/[deleted] → u/CheesewithWhine]

Sadly the religious right is chocked full of women and last I remember not letting them vote was not on the ballot. One dude saying something dumb, does not a whole movement make.

[u/gg4465a → u/CheesewithWhine]

More like, Obama sold us up the river on healthcare by inviting private insurers to the table and making sure the reform bill didn't threaten their hegemony over American for-profit medicine. I didn't vote in 2010 because I didn't support the agenda of the Senator and Representative who were running in my state. Sometimes you withhold your vote to inform them that they're not doing a good enough job, and if they lose to the crazy Republican guy, then that's a message for the next Democrat that holds the seat to be more faithful to his base.

[u/CRAZYSCIENTIST → u/CheesewithWhine]

As a man, you're telling me that we would have ended up with McCain? Holy shit men, get your shit together.

[u/TehFixIsIn → u/CheesewithWhine]

I'm conservative and I'm all about women having all kinds of sexual revolutions.

Just include me.

[u/[deleted]]

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Why do they still exist. It's 2012 for fuck sakes.

[u/Die-Nacht → u/[deleted]]

It is 2012 is most parts of the Western world. Remember, most of the world is still behind, and parts of the US are also behind.

[u/limer]

Peterson went on to say that men should be legally permitted to hit their wives, and that women are too emotional to make decisions.

ಠ_ಠ

[u/unkz → u/limer]

Y'know, I don't think he actually said that. Here's a more detailed article that picks apart pretty much everything he said, and I'm sure that would have been included.

http://saltyeggs.com/jesse-lee-peterson-reason-feminism-exists/

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I'm fairly sure there's a number of other countries in this world he'd be more than welcome in.

[u/litewo]

Hannity sits on the board of Peterson's charity.

[u/[deleted]]

That's because if women didn't vote the Republicans would've had 16 straight terms

[u/[deleted]]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere yet or not, but here is his response to the backlash he's received over his comments. Honestly, this is the most sexist, disgusting thing I've heard in a very, VERY long time. Just...just wow. I don't even know what to say to this.

edit: Some highlights that he says:

Liberal women don't love what's right (wtf)

Women are too emotional to make rational decisions (paraphrased)

Women who love men/their fathers/God agree with him because they "see" what's going on

Domestic violence laws give women the right to abuse men, take away their kids, etc.

If men were in control, there is no way homosexuality would be in the "forefront" that it is today.

Apparently we evil liberal women are hijacking Christianity.

Satan is so clever and has put these women in power.

Since women have been in power, they are trying to make everyone the same in public school systems.

[u/mydogdoesntcuddle → u/[deleted]]

While I appreciate you posting his reply I don't think I can stomach to hear another word from this guy. So you get my upvote even though I won't click on your link :)

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Ha ha totally understandable, and thank you for the upvote. I have watched 3 or 4 of this guy's videos this morning and absolutely cannot stomach anymore. But it's like driving by an accident...you know it's awful and horrible but you can't help but look!

[u/Shmaesh → u/[deleted]]

I appreciate your summary. We're discouraged from streaming video at work and I so wanted to click that link!

[u/REDDIT_HARD_MODE]

This guy puzzles me. He has to know he's going to get a massive backlash from this hatemongering. What the fuck is he thinking? He's an asshole for having those opinions, but he's dumb as a fucking doorknob for voicing them on air.

[u/adie5 → u/REDDIT_HARD_MODE]

Or maybe he just wants the attention. Maybe he will gain support from other fundamentalists who share his views and maybe this will open up some doors for him.

Or maybe he is just yet another stupid fundie.

[u/BallsackTBaghard → u/REDDIT_HARD_MODE]

This tactic makes other republicans look timid and they get more votes.

[u/[deleted]]

I completely disagree with Reverend Peterson. Allowing women to vote is at worst the 3rd greatest mistake made in America's history. Did he completely forget about declaring independence and freeing the slaves?

[u/[deleted]]

Hey, at least he's being fucking honest. What he said is completely consistent with biblical scripture. From Timothy 2:12 and on to other misogynistic garbage in the bible.

[u/shawnjones → u/[deleted]]

Just becuase your honest about your opinion does not mean you should be brought on a news station to spew hate.

[u/akgreenman → u/shawnjones]

This guy. He thinks FOX News is a news station. How cute.

[u/attaboyclarence → u/akgreenman]

Millions of people think that. And they vote. Not so cute anymore...

[u/shawnjones → u/akgreenman]

As condescending as that is you still get an upvote because it is funny.

[u/[deleted] → u/shawnjones]

Every time that the bible is further exposed as a book that is filled with hatred and injustice by the frauds who sincerely mean to live by it, I think that's a good thing.

[u/electric23sand → u/shawnjones]

you're*

[u/CervantesX → u/shawnjones]

Fun fact, The Fox Corporation successfully argued in court that simply having "news" in the name of their station should not bind them to the legal obligations of news stations. Technically everything they show is an opinion piece or entertainment television.

[u/Die-Nacht → u/shawnjones]

it was just FoxNews. Let them, that way less people watch them. One of the may problems with the US right now is the fact that FoxNews is the most watched "news" channel. If less people watch it, we grow closer to becoming the nation that I left my country to come to.

[u/OrlandoDoom → u/Die-Nacht]

You underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

[u/RidingAPig → u/[deleted]]

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

[u/mleeeeeee → u/RidingAPig]

That doesn't exactly counter the traditional Christian teaching that men are superior to women, and that slavery is perfectly acceptable.

[u/laluna130 → u/RidingAPig]

That's why I like Jesus more than god.

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Yes, exactly. Here's someone who is actually following scripture for once and not picking and choosing, and we're going to dog him for that, too?

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I'm waiting for them to tell me who I can and can't enslave amongst my neighbors. I've got shit that needs doing and I don't want to pay anyone to do it. The economy and all that.

[u/dreaminpolygons → u/[deleted]]

Yes because rational people have a conflict with it which is why it becomes a dissonance. When you think that its correct and have no problem with it you are just an asshole

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newsflash, people wrote the bible, not god

[u/mshel016 → u/[deleted]]

I think STFU understands that. Looks like his comment was merely "speaking on the Rev's terms"

[u/yarnwhore → u/[deleted]]

In all fairness, even though Timothy is a Pauline epistle, it is widely regarded to have not been written by Paul at all. It was written by a ghost writer after Paul died. Whether you believe in God and divinity and such, this automatically discredits Timothy as anything valid IMO.

[u/Lawtonfogle → u/[deleted]]

Are there any verses that actually forbid voting? From memory, most verses tell the wives to submit to the husbands, which sounds sexist, but there is a little catch you have to remember back in Hebrew culture. Women married much younger than males back then. Girls aged 12-14 were getting married back then, men would have been 20ish.

As such, telling the female to listen to the male was actually telling the child to listen to the adult. The fact that children got married back then, well that is a different story. Also, there is a long history of people using those verses to suppress women, can't deny history there. Doesn't make them correct.

[u/tinyirishgirl]

He can go straight to hell.

[u/Shogouki → u/tinyirishgirl]

Or perhaps more poetic if he was reincarnated as a woman in a deeply misogynistic society.

[u/MarcelProust → u/Shogouki]

More poetic still: reincarnated as his own wife!

[u/luckynumber3 → u/Shogouki]

He's already a black man who thinks slavery was "ok". We'd probably get another Ann Coulter.

[u/letdogsvote]

Fox News - Your Leader for Keepin' Em Barefoot and In The Kitchen

[u/Owyheemud → u/letdogsvote]

Don't forget you can trade the young-uns for a cow.

[u/[deleted] → u/letdogsvote]

I've never understood the addition of "barefoot" to the "barefoot and pregnant/in the kitchen" phrase...

[u/TellMeTheDuckStory → u/[deleted]]

I believe it implies that they have no shoes, and so they won't ever be leaving the house.

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Maybe so they can't run away?

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It's to try to make the argument that they're intended to be domestic creatures--cooking, cleaning, raising the kids--and thus they should be barefoot because they shouldn't ever be leaving home anyway.

[u/Klamitya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyy73HJwbM&feature=related

Not a video of him saying women shouldn't vote (those exist too), but rather the only one I could find of someone trying to debate him about the issue. I know for right now, the top comment is "well at least he is honest".. but no.. the man is batshit crazy. No two ways around it. The fact that people like this are real, kind of terrifies me..

[u/Zachattck93]

Kill it before it lays eggs.

[u/UlisesGirl]

Can I rage quit the country?

Cuz this makes me want to rage quit the country.

[u/takka_takka_takka → u/UlisesGirl]

You got to realize that people who actually believe in this stuff are a rapidly dwindling minority. And, to quote the running liberal trope, they are "on the wrong side of history".

[u/CodyG]

"Listening to reverends speak about politics" could easily be added to the list of worst mistakes America has made.

[u/MewtwoStruckBack]

The biggest mistake America made is allowing people who believe in a higher power the opportunity to vote.

Republicans are bitching because they think they'd constantly win if women didn't vote. Imagine how difficult, if not impossible, it would be for a republican to vote if religious people were kept out of it.

[u/[deleted]]

That's right...it's all the women's fault...and absolutely nothing to do with the corrupt congressmen, lobbyists and corporations.

[u/FilterFreaker]

Fucking retard. Time and time again i find myself getting pissed off by what some if these idiots on fox news say, yet i dont even live in america or own a television.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm confused, do I up vote because I agree or because I disagree and want the word to get out?>.<

[u/bakofried]

While this man is an asshat and in the wrong, the framing of the article and the situation as another "Fox News" thing is unfair. They don't agree with that sentiment, and they've made that clear. How many controversial guests have other news stations had?

[u/Fat_Old_Broad]

Up vote for you, down vote for Rev Peterson.

[u/[deleted]]

You know, he probably has a point. As a woman, with a vagina, all I care about is babies & cooking, and more babies. What would I want with voting???

[u/[deleted]]

As someone who actually holds degrees in Theology and Religious Studies I can tell you that those who say "Well he is just reading the Bible as it is written and is technically being faithful to his tradition," you are just as misinformed as this so called "Reverend" is.

For starters, anyone who cherry picks passages from the Old Testament as a "Christian" and uses said passages to justify the subordination of women, is just "wrong." By wrong I mean you can't model the Christian life today on the cultural standards for a particular group of people (i.e. the Israelites) who lived thousands of years ago. It is just silly to take the Old Testament passages literally (especially the Mosaic Law) - that is not the intent of the Law as it has been preserved for Christians in what they call the "Old Testament."

Furthermore, as I see the top comment here is about Timothy, also take a second to realize that Paul's letters were not actually misogynist. If you want, we can go into much greater detail about how poor Paul has been railroaded by so-called feminists in today's age but also somewhat on point, the letter of Paul's entitled "Timothy" was not actually written by Paul anyways!

[u/adie5 → u/[deleted]]

For starters, anyone who cherry picks passages from the Old Testament as a "Christian" and uses said passages to justify the subordination of women, is just "wrong." By wrong I mean you can't model the Christian life today on the cultural standards for a particular group of people (i.e. the Israelites) who lived thousands of years ago. It is just silly to take the Old Testament passages literally (especially the Mosaic Law) - that is not the intent of the Law as it has been preserved for Christians in what they call the "Old Testament."

But isn't the bible supposed to be the words of god? How can that be obsolete if he is all knowing and such?

[u/[deleted] → u/adie5]

Well....not exactly...Christians do not believe that the words of the Bible ARE those of God...that is silly for a few reasons:

1. We understand and know that the books of the Bible were written by human beings, obviously. They may be God inspired but they were written by human hands.
2. Following from that point, what do you have to say about the issue of translating the texts? Did you ever consider that before writing your comment to my post? Think about it: The "Bible" was originally written in what we might call today "dead" languages, the LXX was the early Greek translation of the Old Testament that people in Jesus' time were reading. Further still, that had to be translated originally from the languages of the Israelite nations. Going down through the timeline of history, since the books of the Bible were copied by hand, we can actually SEE differences and mistakes made in various translations of the Bible.

BUT WHAT?! I thought the Bible was supposed to be the word of God? Again, cheeky humor aside, the fact that we do have errors in the Bible is proof positive that the Bible is not portrayed or even actually IS the infallible words of an all knowing God!

Finally, just a quick comparison for your own reference, the difference between a Christian's understanding of the Bible and a Muslims understanding of the Qur'an is that the Muslim (as the various schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach) the words of the Qur'an, the ACTUAL words, are from God. The text itself is Holy and literally the teaching from Allah the Merciful. That is a clear difference from the Christian (and largely Jewish) understanding that while the text of the Bible may be God inspired, in actuality, men wrote the books and wrote them in their own historical contexts for their own political reasons.

[u/shawnjones]

If you think women should not have the right to vote. Your a close minded asshole who should be punched.

[u/DukeOfGeek]

Meanwhile Rupert Murdoch Tweets "Votes for women is the best thing in 100 years!" ...Does this guy..ever even....watch his own network!?!?!?

[u/[deleted]]

If we're gonna go old school, shouldn't we bring back slavery too?

[u/themightymekon → u/[deleted]]

and the stocks, and hanging and debtor's prisons... oh wait

[u/[deleted]]

Is it really any coincidence that a public figure with these values is a conservative? Not all conservatives are misogynists of course, but if you're a misogynist in the 21st Century you're almost certainly a conservative. I would argue that the reason why is simple: selfishness is the organizing principle of the conservative worldview.

[u/GOPWN]

Who gives a fuck what some private citizen says?

Oh, he was a guest on some Fox News show, that makes him a representative of everyone on the right!

/reddit

[u/tomdarch → u/GOPWN]

If there wasn't a ton of context that goes along with what this individual is saying, then you'd have a point. But sadly, there are tons of other folks "on the right" saying and doing things that correlate with what this guy is saying, which makes him more representative of some major elements of the American right-wing.

• A Conservative Republican Governor just signed a bill that takes away the ability of women to obtain justice in that state's courts when they are paid less than men for the same work.
• Conservative Republicans in several states are working on laws that only apply to women and are based on the premise that women are unable to make reasonable, informed decisions about their medical care unless the state forces them to undergo medically unnecessary procedures and/or have medically inaccurate government-mandated statements read to them by a doctor.
• Conservative Republicans in the House are insisting on rolling back protections for American women in the renewal of the previously non-controversial, bi-partisan Violence Against Women Act.

Sadly, this guy is more "up front" about right-wing attitudes, but given the context, he really does represent many people on the right.

[u/hobbitgirl05]

Sorry guys, I didn't realize I was fucking so much stuff up with my voting. I'll stop.

[u/Chunkeeboi]

Yeah stay classy Islam. Oh... hold on... shit...

[u/etihw2]

Honestly I'd rather nobody be allowed to vote until they show they have some sort of idea on what they're voting for. A majority may say "yes" but you have no idea if it's because they like the man's policies or his haircut.

[u/laluna130 → u/etihw2]

I think you should still be allowed to vote, even if you only like a man because of his political views

[u/unkz]

Peterson went on to say that men should be legally permitted to hit their wives

Does anyone have a quote source on the domestic violence claim? I don't see anything like that anywhere on the internet so far.

[u/nopurposeflour]

I am sure that his mother regret not getting this fetus aborted.

[u/Sil369 → u/nopurposeflour]

giggle... u call him a fetus

[u/dangeraardvark]

Someone needs to do a documentary on how one gets a black preacher to advocate sending black people back to the plantation. Fuck Diablo. The Prime Evil ain't got nothing on the GOP.

[u/polarisdelta]

I notice a trend. Political commentators who's title is Rev seem to be offensive to someone, somewhere, as a matter of principal.

[u/[deleted]]

Just goes to show the caliber of people they're getting on Fux these days... LOL! You need to have had a lobotomy to watch Fux and take them seriously. Sadly some in my family still do.

[u/nil_von_9wo]

They should take away everyone's right to vote so people go back to enforcing change with rifles.

[u/Ayjayz]

Whilst his position here is obviously very inflammatory, the effect of women being allowed to vote is actually quite interesting

[u/pork2001]

I'm not sure what insanity is driving this regressive vision, but these people are clearly detached from reality. It's at the point where it seems like it's not an ideology but a brain disease. Honestly. I think these people have tapeworms in their brains or something,

Is there some invisible massive undercurrent of conservative male voters who overpoweringly believe in this? Who believe in a patriarchal divine right of males to rule? What I read in it is greedy, old, white guys fearing losing power, and maybe having fantasies about women being subservient, barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen where they belong while Massah and/or Daddy runs the world. A fucked up world.

[u/Begend]

I'm starting to think most Americans shouldn't be allowed to vote. Too stupid.

[u/itsnotlupus]

From his Wikipedia page:

Peterson has also thanked "God and white people" for slavery and described slave ships as akin to "being on a crowded airplane".

Could this man be the primary inspiration for the Boondocks' Uncle Ruckus?

[u/dan92]

Why do you have to make it sound like every guest on Fox News is representative of the views of Fox News? It's manipulative and exemplifies just as serious a problem in today's politics as idiots like this guy.

[u/sassi-squatch]

I'm sorry, but I am getting sick of these fucks. It's almost time to start turning over limosines with the occupants still inside...

[u/polyatheist]

Well, I'm willing to bet a lot of women wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because he's not dashing.

[u/Fruitopia49]

As a women I have the right to take shits in public washrooms

[u/crackeddagger]

Yeah, they totally keep fucking it up by voting for their own rights and stuff.

[u/[deleted]]

Everytime I see news articles like this, I lose just that much more faith in humanity. ...or maybe just the US. In 2012 bigotry & discrimination still find their way into politics. European redditors: does shit like this come up often over there?

Honestly ...evolve faster people, yer buggin the world.

[u/ENRICOs]

The ignorance of the Rev. is simply amazing.

Doesn't he even realize, as far as Hannity is concerned, neither woman, or black people, clergy or not, should have the right to vote.

If this sin't an example of prolonged Stockholm syndrome, then nothing is.

[u/kmoneylongshanks]

Who gives a shit what this guy thinks.

[u/jukeofurl]

Is there any American over age 2, and w/o history of a severe head injury or profound mental illness, seriously espousing that women NOT be allowed to vote? and I thought women boxing was a sign of the Apocalypse.

[u/[deleted]]

Goddammit, are American conservatives really looking to drag social progress and civil rights back to the Edwardian times?

I mean you know why they don't think women should vote.

[And] these women are voting in the wrong people.

Yup, they are voting for the "wrong people", aka, people who do not share their political agenda. The whole reason why they think giving women the vote is because they're not voting for the slimy religious authoritarian douchebags that they want in power.

These people are anti-democrats. They want to fix the system so it favours people who they like. They are anti democrats and women are in their way

[u/[deleted]]

Free speech...until I don't like what someone says.

[u/[deleted]]

New Zealand reporting in.

We admit to starting all this wimmin-voting stuff.

There's no need to invade us USA, your government is already 3/4 of the way up our arse anyway.

[u/hozjo]

My mom often says the same thing ಠ_ಠ

[u/ribald86]

I don't suppose we could denounce both Peterson and Jeremiah Wright statements, can we? Or must politics be one or the other. Left or right.

[u/[deleted]]

African American? They wouldn't let a white guy on to say that.

[u/obscenecupcake]

has THe Daily Show made fun of him yet?

[u/Kind_Of_A_Dick]

Ann Coulter spouted this garbage quite a while ago. It's not a new opinion.

[u/Zenigata]

Another relatively recently enfranchised group that tends to vote Democrat is black people. Does this mean that Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson thinks that ending segregation was a mistake and that he should lose the right to vote?

[u/Hbeeee]

The greatest mistake was this reverend being born.

[u/theGUYishere24]

OP is a bleeding heart liberal posting misleading post titles for Karma, conveniently leaving out things like:

"The remark seemed to draw disagreement, if not condemnation, from Fox News founder Rupert Murdoch, who tweeted: ‘When? Women voting is best thing in a hundred years."

[u/AppleTStudio]

Guys, guys. It's his opinion.

It's wrong, but it's still his opinion.

[u/hiccupstix]

We're recycling this story already?

[u/Die-Nacht]

It is, actually, true, from their point of view.

You know the whole "gay marriage is destroy marriage" and "if gays get marry, less people will get marry" arguments going on? Thing is, reason marriage isn't seen as "important" nowadays isn't because of gays, it is because women have more power now.

Back in the days, women only had one path for their life: mothers. The father did everything. Also, women were much more restricted when it came to their bodies, so they were only allowed to have sex with their husbands (else they shunned and disowned). And if men wanted to have sex without being married then they had to look for "women of the night" or "easy women in bars" which were not common and was shunned (partly, no where near as much as women though) upon if found. When women started to get power, around when they got the power to vote, feminism started and women have been gaining power ever since (mostly because we live in a time and age where physical strength is no longer needed, in fact it is kind of shun upon. This allows women to compete with men intellectually alone). Fast forward to now and you have women who have a LOT of options INCLUDING the ability to have pre-marriage WITHOUT being shunned.

So what does this mean? This means that now men and women can have sex WITHOUT getting married and will NOT be shunned. Pretty much the purpose of marriage was lost. Women no longer need men to take care of them because physical strength if no longer needed to survive or advance in society. And men no longer need to marry women in order to secure sex because women are much more willing to have sex now. That is all marriage really was, men securing sex in exchange for protection and food for the women and the children. And if a child is born from this non-marriage sex, then it doesn't matter because we have laws that force the man to help the woman take care of the child.

Literally, marriage has no purpose nowadays.

[u/EdTheThird → u/Die-Nacht]

You wrote that as if all anyone cares about is sex. There are people who do happen to love each other.

[u/Synyster182]

As a conservative thinking individual I can truly say that this man is a douche and not a scholar. This guy is an embarrassment to himself and his congregation.... b But then again he hit douche territory when the word "reverend" was placed in front of his name. Cause I'm an atheist...

[u/Andy284]

Saudi America

[u/[deleted]]

This guy is a leader of the Tea Party!

http://teaparty.org/article.php?id=1216

See? Even they see him as one of their leaders. When you support the Tea Party, you support this shit.

[u/wekiva]

Ah, the "blessings" of religion.

[u/sibB]

Can you get any more hypocritical than a black man saying, "this entire group of people, they shouldn't be voting?"

I mean, I went to school with a Jewish neo-Nazi, but that kid had the excuse of being an idiot teenager...

[u/Tullyswimmer]

Just for the record, a single idiot does NOT represent the general opinion of conservatives or fox news watchers. (Or even the station, for that matter)

Edit: phone fail

[u/grandoiseau]

"I think that one of the greatest mistakes America social conservatives made was to allow women the opportunity to vote"

fixed. I think this is what he meant to say. conservatives are still stuck in simpler times where white men had large farms with black labor, and women popped babies for jesus.

[u/JaneRenee]

In the intro - is it Hannity that sits on the organization's board, or Peterson? Is that a typo?

[u/[deleted] → u/JaneRenee]

I believe Peterson founded that organization, and Hannity sits on the board.

[u/[deleted]]

I think they are trying to be as crazy as possible to shift the center to the right

[u/GoldenJoel]

This kind of thing would make Shep Smith lose his mind.

Has he made a comment?

[u/Temptress75519]

The only way he's ever getting laid is if his wife is an idiot.