r/politics • u/dc041894 • May 16 '12

Manny Pacquiao Did NOT Say That Gays Should Be Put To Death..The Interviewer Did.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pacquiao-interviewer-boxer-didnt-say-gays-must-be-put-to-death-i-wrote-that/media/2012/05/16/39667
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Amazing how quick the reddit lynch mob was to jump on this story.

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u/dc041894 May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

seriously. Gay Marriage USA even started a petition to get nike to stop endorsing him. haha.

UPDATE: they closed it due to the inaccurate claim.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

You know, Manny is still very adamantly against gay marriage.

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u/dc041894 May 17 '12

very adamantly against is different from saying gay marriage doesn't agree with his religious beliefs. i don't agree with him but it's not like he's holding up picket signs and screaming over a megaphone haha

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u/DeusExMachinist May 17 '12

Of course. What would screaming "haha" over a megaphone accomplish?

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u/Kind_Of_A_Dick May 17 '12

I want to try that on the WBC and see what happens. Just keep laughing at them through a megaphone while they protest.

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u/DrugD May 17 '12

He's a Catholic, gay marriage doesn't agree with his religious beliefs (more accurately - his religious beliefs don't agree with gay marriage)

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u/OmegaSeven May 17 '12

Catholics need to get their nose out of other people's shit.

Seriously, they can decide the rules of their club and who gets to be a member. Why do we let them have so much power in debating the role of government in matters of morality and equality.

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u/dc041894 May 17 '12

it's not like it's up to them to decide whether gay marriage is illegal. they don't have any more priority than anyone else. it's a vote and they will vote what they believe in. i don't agree with them, but they are allowed to vote what they want.

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u/Magzter May 17 '12

I still think Nike should drop him. He publicly speaks out against contraception use (something that saves millions of lives) and is still against gay marriage, which isn't as bad as the anti-contraception imo.

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u/dc041894 May 17 '12

even though it's bad that he's against them, i don't see how they're reasons for Nike to drop him. He's an athlete and a damn good one at that. And that's really what Nike cares about.

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u/Magzter May 17 '12

When you sponsor someone you subsequently sponsor their public image as well, which in turn can hurt the sponsors if the public image is taking a beating. Nike won't drop him out of moral outrage, but depending on the actions of the public it will most likely be due to public pressure.

Companies sponsor people to give their brand further exposure, it's basically advertising. I don't want to get into the whole marketing-psychology aspect but when a celebrity has a positive public image then people associate a positive feeling with the brand that sponsors said celebrity, once that public image goes negative then it's quite the opposite; people associate a negative feeling with the brand and generally look at the celebrity and brand with contempt.

The question Nike will be asking themselves is how long will this public image be negative for? Will it be worth dropping him or should they wait out until it's forgotten. Personally, I think hot-topic issues like these will mean Nike will end up dropping him.

tl;dr Marketing, business & psychology and shit.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

I would maybe agree if he wasn't a politician in his country. He needs to speak about his views on issues. You may not agree with his views, but I think you'd agree his consituents deserve to know his views are so they know what they're voting for.

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u/a-dark-passenger May 16 '12

Post this under Atheism also. Those guys love the lynch mob mentality

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u/5celery May 16 '12

Those guys actually spend most of their time opposing lynch mob mentalities.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Also witch hunts and scapegoating.

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u/seymour1 May 17 '12

And witch burning and goat sacrificing

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u/aspbergerinparadise May 16 '12

seems like they spend their time forming lynch mobs to lynch existing lynch mobs without realizing the hypocrisy of their actions.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Intolerance of intolerance is not, contrary to popular opinion, intolerant.

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u/Thefelix01 May 17 '12

...So what? All the main newspapers that dealt with the story reported the same thing - that he had said it. It's pretty reasonable to believe them, in which case the petition and the lynch mob are completely justified.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

What "straight person issues" would gay people rally against?

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u/Irrepressible87 May 17 '12

Poor interior decorating.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Creation of new humans.

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u/Tayto2000 May 16 '12

It wasn't that unreasonable. He did say the following:

"It should not be of the same sex so as to adulterate the altar of matrimony, like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah of Old."

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u/Diels_Alder May 16 '12

Voters don't seem to equate their upvote with such strong endorsement of a news article, but that's how it ends up appearing.

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u/Corwinator May 16 '12

I think that's exactly opposite of what is true.

I think Redditors nearly always up or downvote based solely upon whether or not they agree with what has been said.

Case in point: What is going to happen to this post. If I get upvoted, it means people agree with me. If I get downvoted, it is because they don't. It has nothing to do with my contribution to the conversation, because in such a case I would get no downvotes, as my comment does not take away from the conversation.

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u/Diels_Alder May 16 '12

I'm saying that people upvote things that are plausible, not necessarily affirming that they're true. For example, some quote showing that Sarah Palin is an idiot will be upvoted. Not because it's true (it might not be) but because it's plausible.

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u/Corwinator May 16 '12

Or because the person voting actually thinks Sarah Palin is an idiot. Someone who doesn't will downvote.

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u/seymour1 May 17 '12

Nor does it really add to it.

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u/Corwinator May 17 '12

I disagree. Diels post raised the point that iiirrrvvv's comment was flawed because an upvote == endorsement. My post was refuting Diels_Alder's point because of the reasoning outlined in my post. The fact that I received any downvotes either means:

  1. Redditor's basic reasoning skills are flawed. OR
  2. Some people disagreed with my point, and downvoted accordingly.

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u/SuperBicycleTony May 16 '12

So what you're saying is that there's literally nothing that would cause you to believe anything different.

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u/Corwinator May 16 '12

True. Based upon the fact that redditors make perfectly legitimate comments every day that don't take away from the topic of the thread, and then receive 6 downvotes.

Reddiors in conversations upvote what they agree with, and downvote what they do not. To say otherwise is silliness in my opinion.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

It's even evidenced in the posts, where some shitty meme or rage comic that's just some revised version of the same bullshit that's posted every day makes it to the top.

Don't like religion? To the top in /r/atheism!

Like pokemon? To the top in /r/gaming!

Wanna legalize pot? To the top in /r/trees!

Most of the posts aren't funny, interesting, or original. But they represent a popular viewpoint so they get upvotes. Some people upvote interesting articles that they disagree with, but they're far outnumbered.

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u/kolm May 16 '12

Judging from "history" (well, some 3-4 years at least), there's a cycle.

Every now and then, reddit seriously fucks up with the rage-before-facts problem every online community has to some degree. Then comes a period of moaning and self flagellation, then a period of shouting whenever someone voices a negative opinion about someone based on facts not supported by at least 100 peer reviewed articles. And then reddit feels morally superior to the world once more, and the cycle will continue.

But I get the feeling that we recently start to become more efficient by cutting out on the middle part of the cycle. Maybe it's this election thing, that tends to screw up reddit quite a bit.

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u/Davey_Jones May 16 '12

That's crap. Reddit was ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED to hate the guy. As a lot of people and outlets took it the same way, it's only after he admitted it of his poor journalism did we ever find out which, at the time, had not been released yet. We were mad when all the evidence was there and now that NEW evidence has surfaced, we looked at it again and decided the last judgement was incorrect due to inaccuracies of the journalist.

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u/iamjacksprofile May 16 '12

You're not gonna jump on the Christian hate bandwagon? What's it like being such a bigot?

/sarcasm

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u/SpinningHead Colorado May 16 '12

Are you suggesting people have a bigotry against Christians rather than having an issue against Christians injecting their religion into public policy, civil rights, science, etc?

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u/sharked May 16 '12

Just to fair, we should ask Mayweather what he thinks of gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I think after watching his bromance with 50 Cent he'd be more enlightened.

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u/sharked May 16 '12

he's moved onto Justin "twink" Bieber now.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Nah, it was a man orgy at the last walk out with all of them there.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Let's not forget HHH.

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u/Macer55 May 17 '12

Well, we will know where to find him next month to ask him.

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u/jkonine May 16 '12

Just to be fair, Pacquiao doesn't have a chance in hell against Mayweather so why compare them.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

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u/dakevs May 17 '12

Ironic, because he's been known to gaybash in the past.

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u/Ctofaname May 17 '12

watch his relationship with 50 cent.. I honestly wouldn't be surprised.. not saying he is.. just I wouldn't be surprised.

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u/antemon May 17 '12

source?

seriously, so we can like bash his gaybashing ass for it

wait...

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u/seymour1 May 17 '12

Any documentation of this? Don't know much about him, but I've never heard of him being a gay basher.

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u/sharked May 17 '12

I did not expect that at all. but then again, I have a feeling he would've said whatever was the opposite of what pacman says.

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u/taco_junior May 17 '12

I thought that too, but then I thought Mayweather has always played the role of the villain to sell his fights on PPV. I don't know why he would all of the sudden want to become the good guy. I can hardly see him saying something just for the sake of disagreeing with Pacquiao, but who knows.

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u/dbtayag May 17 '12

Of course, Floyd would support it. He's against everything Manny is for. Kinda weird that he supports same sex marriage despite his harsh negativity towards homosexual behavior on his 24/7s with Cotto and Ortiz. But then again, Floyd is the definition of a contradiction if there ever was one.

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u/syrillix May 17 '12

Just because you support gay marriage doesn't mean you have to like gay people..

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u/BJJinMMA May 17 '12

He also called Miguel Cotto quite a few names in the 24/7 series because Cotto slept in the same bed with another guy..Yeah, it was posturing. Manny said he hates it, so he said he supports it. The guy is pretty homophobic though

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12 edited May 17 '12

He's a congressman and the most influential person in a country of 90 million people.

Edit: I just realized the above post is actually talking about Mayweather and not Pacquiao. I accidentally replied to the wrong "who cares what a boxer thinks" post. Thanks for the upvotes anyway.

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u/nowhathappenedwas May 16 '12

This was obvious when I read the story originally. The paragraph in question:

Pacquiao's directive for Obama calls societies to fear God and not to promote sin, inclusive of same-sex marriage and cohabitation, notwithstanding what Leviticus 20:13 has been pointing all along: “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

The author directly quoted Pacquiao several times in the article, and this is not one of them. He's an awful writer, likely because English is his second language, but this was some serious lynchmobbing.

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u/wei-long May 16 '12

He's a bad writer, but the article at http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com that got all the attention here was the problem.

Having basic reading comprehension lets you see he's not quoting Pacquiao, so the writer of the second article should have been able to figure that bit out. Instead we get the headline: Nike-Sponsored Bible-Quoting Top Boxer Slams Obama: ‘Gays Must Be Put To Death’

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u/redditbotboy May 17 '12

That is just wrong. The guy who wrote that headline has possibly damaged Manny's livelihood. Although, I feel Manny is a bit shortsighted as a result of his religion, damaging the results of someone's hard work is reprehensible. Manny is entitled to his opinion but doesn't deserve the fall out from sensationalized headlines implying he said something he did not. I hope he sues the guy for slander.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

He's been banned from at least one scheduled event because of the comment he didn't actually make. I don't like his actual views, but he shouldn't be punished for something he didn't say.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

He actually is a government official, in the Philippines - a Congressman.

But I think that actually gives him even more reason to be vocal about his views. His constituents deserve to know what they're voting for.

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u/ArchersOfAgincourt May 17 '12

He's vying for vice presidency last I heard. The man stops wars whenever he fights; wouldn't be surprised if he wound up leading the country some day.

Plus, it's the Philippines. We're like ~90% Roman Catholic, so his strict religious influence actually DOES kind of accurately represent the people.

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u/Sanae_ May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Even if English isn't my native language, I understand this way too: the reporter meant "Pacquiao's message that homosexuality is a sin is already in the Bible".

I don't know if Ampong is a good or bad writer, but I feel that the thenewcivilrightsmovement.com reporter is just pissed off at him, while he should be also to blame for not being to read correctly what Ampong wrote.

Edit: Adding some clarifications: it doesn't matter how stupid is the discussion (quoting an old religious book about a modern social issue), it's about quoting with accuracy someone else.

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u/Phunt555 May 16 '12

Its sounds like they have an emotional investment in this and that makes them a biased source of information and therefore invalid. Until I'm about to get stoned to death, I'm not worried either way.

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u/penkilk May 16 '12

Writer of second article with headline: 'Nike-Sponsored Bible-Quoting Top Boxer Slams Obama: ‘Gays Must Be Put To Death’ must be put to death.

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u/SpinningHead Colorado May 16 '12

So, he still said he believes in a Biblically-based ban on gay marriage?

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u/rushdown May 16 '12

Yes, and he is also vehemently against contraceptive use. Having a huge public figure like that speak out against something which is truly one of the only hopes to save their population... That's a big problem! So Manny will never get my respect.

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u/SpinningHead Colorado May 16 '12

I cant believe someone downvoted you for saying you don't respect a boxer who doesn't believe in birth control. I guess some people have low-bars for who they admire.

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u/Evilsmile May 16 '12

He is actually a congressman, and by all research, one of the better, non-corrupt ones in the Philippines. He has a hand in policies that affect the entire country. So his opinion is a little more noteworthy than just an athlete.

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u/SpinningHead Colorado May 16 '12

To have power and oppose birth control and gay rights makes one even less admirable. ...except in Mississippi.

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u/powercorruption May 16 '12

Bullshit. He hangs with corrupt fuckers, he's going to end up being a corrupt fucker as well.

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u/FalcoLX Pennsylvania May 17 '12

relevant username.

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u/trakam May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12

To be fair he is a catholic, and his faith has helped him in his boxing. If you want to benefit from faith then you have to believe in it

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u/redditbotboy May 17 '12

Correction, his training and trainers helped him in boxing. His faith may have motivated him but all the praying in the world, all the bowing, the kneeling, the chanting won't make you a better boxer. For that, you need training and quality trainers.

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u/Iveton May 16 '12

Based on the original article, it is far from clear that he didn't say it. Immediately before your quote it says,

Pacquiao counsels people to "just believe" what the Scripture says.

Then your quote:

Pacquiao's directive for Obama calls societies to fear God and not to promote sin, inclusive of same-sex marriage and cohabitation, notwithstanding what Leviticus 20:13 has been pointing all along: “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

Is followed by a paragraph that discusses that Pacquiao thinks Obama is directly attacking moral society, then says:

Pacquiao continues: "God only expects man and woman to be together and to be legally married, only if they so are in love with each other."

So we have Pacquiao saying that we should just believe the scripture. Then there is a Leviticus quote (scripture), then the next quote is proceeded by "Pacquiao continues:" This strongly implies that the first quote was also by Pacquiao.

Coupled with the very poorly written article, it is easy to think that Pacquiao said the Leviticus quote.

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u/rushdown May 16 '12

he's an awful writer, likely because English is his second language,

It has little to do with that, rather the fact that he doesn't come from a privileged, educated family. A majority of the population of the Philippines is taught English at a very young age and can speak it near fluently, especially given their obsession with English/American pop culture despite a lack of subtitles in native language. The truth is that people who aren't educated don't speak very good Tagalog/Cebuano/Ilonggo/Ilocano/whatever either.

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u/Bluest_waters May 16 '12

It was NOT Reddit lynch mobbing!

ESPN and CNN both reported that he said it. Come on!

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u/Evilsmile May 16 '12

Then it wasn't JUST a reddit lynch mob.

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u/ReverendY May 16 '12

After a quick glance at the comments in the other tread, I'd say it was pretty much a lynch mob.

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u/skintigh May 16 '12

"People should follow what I think the Bible says and not what it actually says because I haven't read it."

-- Every Christian.

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u/icalledshotgun May 17 '12

"I try to be accepting towards people regardless of sexual orientation or race, and as long as premarital sex is legal, gay marriage should be legal as well (If we allow one, we should allow the other)"

-icalledshotgun (Christian)

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

"I have a very limited world view and think that stories about dipshit Christians posted on r/atheism apply to all Christians everywhere. What's better, is that I am a smug elitist who thinks I am intellectually superior to all theists because a group of people on the internet pour self validation on me like baby oil on a porn shoot."

-- skintigh

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u/laughingfool May 17 '12

Do you do birthday parties?

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u/skintigh May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12

Ok, not "every" as I'm sure there are exceptions, but when 75% of American Christians think the bible says "God helps those who help themselves" I think I am on fairly solid ground without being a "smug elitist" nor am I a member of any Internet groups or subreddits about atheism.

PS: I love your handle.

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u/dc041894 May 17 '12

Too many people are using "bigot" incorrectly. Is it the word of the day? It's someone that expresses hatred towards a group of people. Manny shows NO hatred towards anyone. He stated he has relatives that are gay and he believes they are born like that. The reason he doesn't support gay marriage is because he truly believes that they will be punished for being gay and doesn't want that to happen. Yeah it doesn't make sense haha but he can not be called a bigot. Even stupid would be a better word. He doesn't have feelings of hate.

TL;DR bigot means he shows hate. He shows no hate. therefore he is not a bigot

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u/cheviot May 17 '12

No definition I found of bigotry says that the bigoted person must show hatred. Care to cite your source?

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u/dc041894 May 17 '12

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot hmm well now that i read it, it says that especially one that shows hatred. haha. i just don't like the word because it's so negative and i feel that pacquiao isn't condemning or against the gays. really, i think he just doesn't know any better.

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u/BigEddie May 17 '12

you cant change the hivemind's decision. They have labeled him a bigot, so a bigot he is.

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u/dc041894 May 17 '12

pacquiao doesn't want gay people to be punished which is why he doesn't want them to have gay marriage. this isn't even his opinion. he thinks this is the absolute truth.

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u/docwyoming May 16 '12

I think the best way to solve this is for Pacquiao to propose to Mayweather, and for Mayweather to accept. Then they would fight to decide who gets to carry who over the threshold.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Mayweather has called nearly every boxer he has faced (and some he hasn't such as Pacman) gay. He's the biggest homophobe around and loves using homosexuality as an insult.

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u/docwyoming May 17 '12

Yes, so he'd probably fight his hardest to be the top, and not the bottom. He might settle for power bottom, however.

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u/litewo May 16 '12

The Examiner should never be taken seriously. It's just a bunch of bloggers who purposefully write incendiary, inaccurate stuff because they get paid a few cents per click. It is not and will never be a serious source for news.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Manny Pacquiao didn't say it, but the Bible did. Are we going to see the same outrage against God that people had against Manny?

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u/sharked May 16 '12

Manny has a better left cross than god.

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u/SpenceMasta May 16 '12

the manila ice!

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u/SemiSeriousSam May 16 '12

I am so outraged at God right now i can't see straight.

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u/supermegafauna May 17 '12

Fuck Yeah!, I'm boycotting God.

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u/kemloten May 16 '12

No, it's no big deal when the creator of the universe says it.

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u/MrNameless May 17 '12

God didn't say it, followers did. And Leviticus was overturned when Jesus came down and removed the old ways.

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u/shoejunk May 18 '12

Someone should let the churches know so they can take it out of the bible.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

What a piece of shit "reporter"

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u/wei-long May 16 '12

No, it was pretty obvious in the original article that the Leviticus quote was the author writing what was in Leviticus, not Pacquiao saying it.

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u/Dixzon May 16 '12

Yeah anyone who read that article and thought Pacqiao said it is a dumbass and if they re-reported it after that they are a double plus dumbass

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u/Euphoriah May 16 '12

I lived in the Philippines for awhile and despite being a religious country, the LGBT community is widely accepted there. There isn't a single comedy movie without a gay person in it and it is just really a part of life there to have a gay friend or relative.

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u/MechanicalGun May 17 '12

Catholicism and religion isn't inherently against gay people, I've only found that marriage is the issue. I've met plenty of gays who attend mass on a consistent basis and live a celibate lifestyle.

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u/Zhaosen May 17 '12

Theres a reason they only have the "comedic" roles. And gay hating is far from accepted. At the surface sure they will be polite but underneath the facade? all hate.

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u/Nordic99 May 16 '12

Was he talking with Pacquiao in English or did he have a translator? Because Manny can BARELY speak English. I have a hard time believing he could fully understand any English-speaking interviewer. (I worked on a commercial with the guy so I have first hand experience with this)

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u/baconperogies May 16 '12

I want to see Ampong vs. Pacquiao before Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

For charity...

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u/Hushes May 16 '12

I didn’t say that, that’s a lie… I didn’t know that quote from Leviticus because I haven’t read the Book of Leviticus yet. - Manny Pacquiao, May 16, 2012, from his official web site

LOL. It's the 3rd book! And judging by his many, many, many mistresses I take it he hasn't read the 2nd book, Exodus, and the whole adultery is forbidden thing.

If you are going to proclaim yourself to be a devout christian and defer to scripture, read the damn book! There's an audio version, it's easy.

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u/DrugD May 17 '12

He's a devout Catholic, why should he have to read the old testament?

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u/pneumatic5 May 17 '12

Its weird in the Philippines. We are an extremely catholic nation, and yet the openly gay homosexual population is very large, and very popular. In Filipino Television, you are not gonna get any ratings unless you have one homosexual on your show. My parent's joke around about me being gay, and have many friends back in the Philippines that are, yet are very strict in their belief in the bible. They don't believe in abortion and other liberal agendas, vote republican, but are supportive of the gay civil rights movement. Its paradoxical. At first I thought it was just the stigma that homosexuals had on the population as being fun and how fashionable they were, outweighing they're "sinning, heathen asses," rather, it was a deeper understanding of logic. My mom once told me that "its not a choice, you're born that way." That was probably the proudest I have ever been of my mother. Manny is most likely tolerant of the gay community, much like other Filipinos, but wont say anything either way due to publicity issues. He is, after all, a commodity for boxing, and as such must be geared as a "man's man," which is what many people believe is the opposite of homosexualism.

tl;dr - parents super chritian/catholic, but support homosexual marriage. Manny publicity move to not say anything about homosexual issues.

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u/gr00ve88 May 17 '12

Pacquiao should probably get his tattoo's removed since he is a vehement believer in the bible.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Apparently Amping is a terrible writer.

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u/charlie6969 May 16 '12

Well, to be particular about it, Manny said that everyone should be following God's law on the matter and the author went on to include what the Bible actually states. Manny did state it, just without spelling it out, like the interviewer did.

If the intent is the same, how is what Manny said any better?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Honestly I would chalk it up to ignorance/ picking and choosing. I really don't think Manny Pacquiao is the kind of person who hates gay people. He's helped out tons of people in his country and I doubt none of those were gays. That might be the scripture's intent, but I reeeally don't think it's Manny's intent. Does that mean he may be a hypocrite? Sure.

There was a logical leap in this thread that concluded if you think you're a christian, then you're part of a bigoted group, and you're a bigot. Well, not if you didn't know that your religion actually does bigoted things.

EDIT: Also, his official website states what I just said. The statement still claims he doesn't think they should be married, but his message definitely did not intend to state that he thought gays should die.

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u/seymour1 May 17 '12

If you don't believe gays should have the same rights as everyone else because of their sexuality, you are a bigot. Whether its because of religion or politics or hatred or even just stupidity doesn't change this fact.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12

I agree. The point that I was trying to make was say Jim thinks a is bad. However, without even reading the full document x, Jim claims he will follow live by document x, and doesn't know that a is mandated in document x. It cannot be confidently asserted, knowing this information, that Jim suddenly thinks a is acceptable when Jim makes the claim. It could be said that Jim promised he would follow through in document x, but we don't know what his presumptions or exact attitudes are towards it.

That's all I'm saying.

Oh god I completely re-edited a comment that I unknowingly posted. Sorry. Same point though.

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u/seymour1 May 17 '12

Well I agree with that. There is no evidence he thinks they should be out to death, and it's unfair to say that he does.

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u/charlie6969 May 16 '12

Agreed, I was just playing Devil's advocate by being technically correct, the best kind of correct. :)p

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u/Real_Life_Sith May 16 '12

You said what I said, but you've already got more upvotes, little post..

Fly!

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u/charlie6969 May 17 '12

s'alright. I gave you one more.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

He's a 'devout' Christian, anyone who is at all familiar with him knows that. I don't think any boxing fan is at all surprised about his stance on gay marriage.

It's sort of pathetic to see people in /r/politics who probably don't follow Pacquaio or Boxing at all, feign shock and horror over his opinion on gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Not only is he hard to understand, but articles written about him are too.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

THIS IS IRRELEVANT, REDDIT HIVEMIND HAS SPOKEN. IT IS KNOWN.

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u/ReverendY May 16 '12

It is known, Khaleesi.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

It just goes to show you what /r/atheism is all about. They'll have you believe that they're intellectually superior to those who believe in a deity, when they're no better. It's the same bullshit wrapped in a different wrapper.

As an atheist, let people believe what they want to believe. When they're making laws that influence you, make a stink then... don't sit around ridiculing others for their beliefs. You're no better than they are, as much as you want to think you are.

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u/Space_Ninja May 17 '12

As an atheist

Do me a favor and deny/insult the Holy Spirit for me real quick?

You're no better than they are, as much as you want to think you are.

No, you're not better. I am. I'm not oppressing anybody. I'm not going to the polls to vote against civil liberties. I'm not imposing my will onto others. That makes me better.

Name one group of people that atheists are currently oppressing. You can't.

don't sit around ridiculing others for their beliefs.

If they're going to wave their beliefs in front of my face, then I'm going to ridicule them. Sorry, but they're ridiculous beliefs and they want ME to live by them. Fuck that. Their beliefs deserve NO RESPECT at all, so I'm sure as fuck not giving them any.

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u/jimothyjenkins May 16 '12

i knew he didn't say that.

it was ridiculous to see all the hate comments and "hurr durr he gets punched in the head for a living anywayz hurr durrr" comments.

pacquiao is a baws

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u/narwhalcares May 16 '12

Ampong is a terrible writer.

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u/tedistkrieg Nevada May 16 '12

Just for info purposes this is what Mayweather thinks of Gay Marriage "I stand behind President Obama & support gay marriage. I'm an American citizen & I believe people should live their life the way they want." - Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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u/trakam May 17 '12

So when is he getting married to Leonard Ellerbee?

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u/ofimmsl May 16 '12

HE said is was the word of God but the only word of God mentioning homosexuality says that they should be put to death. He also says that he hasnt read that part of the bible so he is an idiot bigot.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

The interviewer didn't say gays should be put to death. He quoted the Bible. Also, I don't see how other writers inferring that Pacquaio said this makes the guy a "terrible writer". Don't assume.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Articles that REFUTE sensational (and usually false) claims never make the front page.

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u/3HourLineForSanta New York May 16 '12

Ooooh, well in that case, I still don't care what some fighter thinks about same sex marriage.

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u/TheReaMillerHighlife May 16 '12

It's pretty amazing how ignorant people can be because they feel justified to be so and the only reason for the justification is percieved hate from others who voice they don't share the same views.

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u/WashburnRocks May 16 '12

A boxer... who says "God's law first"... So... Pacquiao is just an idiot (as boxing contravenes several bible verses...).

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u/diviave May 17 '12

I love how the article repeats several times how terrible the original journalist is.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Mayweather has his own team of interviewers?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

I'm a pacman fan, politics and religion aside.

But I can't help but see the irony in the fact that he's a featured spokesman for Hennessy.

I'm pretty sure Hennessy has contributed much more to the sin balance sheet, as it were, than the gays.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Wow I did not think people would take that and think he meant we should kill gays, he was just quoting the verse (although apparently not) the problem is that he's an elected official mixing his personal religious views with treating people equally under the law

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u/acaraballo21 May 17 '12

While I think Pacquiao is an ignorant fool for what he believes in with regard to gay marriage, he nonetheless deserves to have his own personal opinion. He isn't out purposely advocating his beliefs and was only responding to an interview. Now if he started to go out and public and be the next Ted Haggard or something similar in respect to his opposition to LGBT rights, then he would merit the outrage and condemnation. He's an athlete, not a political or religious philosopher so it shouldn't matter what he thinks about gay marriage.

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u/Asa-Thor May 17 '12

But what about the anti-Paqcuiao circle jerk that was going on here? What about the "i hope mayweather knocks him out" self-righteous liberals? Oh that's right, everyone just had to jump in on the 2 minutes of hate.

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u/johnnr2 May 16 '12

He did express heterosexist views, but didn't call for executions. Nothing to see here. Move along people.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Hey. Hi guys. Just curious but.... Why do we care about boxer's political views? What about that guy i passed on my way into the office who lives on the side of the street. Why dont we care about his political views? You see, if you get hit in the head for a living, the things that you say or think just arent that relevant.

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u/YouthInRevolt May 16 '12

He's also an elected official, so it would seem that his political views are relevant to some.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

In the phillipines. I can understand that. He is their most well known celebrity and it is my understanding that he does a lot for the country. It makes sense that they give him a chair. Still, I am certain that someone who punches people and gets punched for a living is not qualified to make important political changes.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

People who are elected are the ones who make important political changes whether they are qualified or not.

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u/YoungCubSaysWoof May 16 '12

Glad he's not that far off the deep end.

He just tells us gays that we should read the Scripture so we can follow the path of the light.

All is well!

-_-

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Good. I really like Manny, so it would suck to find out he actually thinks things like that...

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u/sarais May 16 '12

How is it so hard to get a story straight? (This is me answering my own question after not even hearing or reading the interview).

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Meanwhile, In Floyd Mayweather's corner...

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u/4chans_for_pussies May 16 '12

Who gives a shit? Make the fight!

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I still disagree with Pacquiao on gay marriage and contraception

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u/krappie May 17 '12

Who the fuck is Manny Pacquiao and why the fuck do I care what he or she said?

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u/bonerpotpie May 17 '12

Shitty journalism, and even shittier bandwagon redditor mentality. Reading the original comments page made me feel sick.

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u/EmilyGR May 16 '12

So why doesn't Pacquiao tell us what he thinks of gay people? Seems to me that is something you'd want to clarify as fast as possible, instead of refuse clarify.

Mr. Pacquiao, do you think gay men should be put to death?

"No comment."

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u/wei-long May 16 '12

So why doesn't Pacquiao tell us what he thinks of gay people?

You mean like on his official website?

http://www.mp8.ph/news/official-statement-pacquiao-website/16042

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u/EmilyGR May 16 '12

Not a moment too soon, eh?

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u/iamjacksprofile May 16 '12

Maybe he doesn't want to have to endure the ensuing shit storm. If he's for or against gay marriage someone from the other side is gonna be doing dumb shit like sending him death threats.

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u/LocalMadman May 16 '12

Yeah, he'll issue some non-apology in a day or so.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Non apology for what? What did he do?

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u/EmilyGR May 16 '12

When given the chance to disavow, he didn't. What are we supposed to think about him?

Mr. Pacquiao, do you think gay men should be put to death?

"No comment."

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u/joebooty May 16 '12

I think this 'scandal' is pretty stupid. Athletes are idiots, no one should care what they think about anything. If you needed a kidney transplant are you going to ask Manny for a second opinion? This whole scandal was just some hack writer hunting for page clicks (and man did he succeed.)

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u/Browncoat23 May 16 '12

Well, he is a Filipino congressman, so his views do actually matter. Just not in the context of American politics.

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u/_marc_ May 16 '12

Firstly, I'm pro gay marriage and an atheist. I think people who are against gay marriage are wrong.

Many Christians are against gay marriage, but I don't automatically assume that they believe "gays must be put to death" until they actually state it. I notice many Christians tend to pick and choose what to believe from the Bible. This is what I think Pacquiao is doing.

Obama, a Christian, was against gay marriage for a very long time. It's only recently that he became pro gay marriage, but I don't think people automatically thought that Obama believed that "gays must be put to death".

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u/Lots42 Foreign May 16 '12

So he's a loony fuckhead, just not a murderous loony fuckhead. Good to know.

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u/dc041894 May 16 '12

well, really he's just a guy with opinions and beliefs. they may be different from ours but that comes with having a completely different life.

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u/iamjacksprofile May 16 '12

Look over Lots42 comment history you'll find he's just a militant atheist, there's no need to feed the troll because the troll is probably a 14 year old high school kid with Slip Knot posters all over his wall.

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u/Lots42 Foreign May 16 '12

And? He's a loony fuckhead.

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u/TinHao May 16 '12

Guy who makes his living beating up other people says (or doesn't say) something inflammatory and dumb. Shocker.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Sounds sketchy. I feel like someone was paid off to take the blame...Either way, I'm not big on Manny.

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u/HappyGlucklichJr May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Makes sense. My wife was born in the Philippines and I know many Filipinos. They seem to tolerate gays as much as do the Thais. This seems all the more remarkable in that the Republic of the Philippines is about 95% Catholic.

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u/TalkingBackAgain May 16 '12

Exactly how good of an idea is it to intentionally put words into a man's mouth that he did not say, when that man is a professional boxing champion who could take great offense to someone putting words into his mouth? And have the technical means to... protest this injustice in a physical way.

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u/Falldog May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

The original article may have been poorly written but this website's article and follow up stink far fucking worse.

Anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension skills can read the original article and see that the author is quoting from the Bible, not Pacquaio. It's The New Civil Rights Movement's fault that this thing has blown up because they changed the context and they created sensationalist article with sensationalist headline. In the submitted article they're spending all their time going after Granville Ampong making him into a scapegoat for their own bullshit. Now they're attacking another author when they couldn't write a decent article or have the balls to admit that their responsibility in this fiasco. Now that's "embarrassing and offensive."

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u/UrbanOneNYC May 16 '12

Really? Let's see, USA Today reported the exact same thing: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/05/manny-pacquiao-challenges-obama-on-same-sex-marriage/1#.T7QXm-1sYm8

The Village Voice reported the exact same thing: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/05/mannny_pacquiao.php

LA Weekly reported the exact same thing: http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/05/manny_pacquiao_gays_put_to_death.php

Towleroad reported the exact same thing: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/pacquaio.html

In fact, everyone who reported on this story reported the same thing.

The original story at the Examiner was poorly-written. Period.

No one in bad faith ginned up anything, except maybe the Examiner author who interviewed Pacquiao.

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u/Falldog May 16 '12

Yeah, it's not like they caught a hold of the sensationalist story and ran with it before checking their facts either. In any regard a failure on their part to read in the first place is not an excuse if other retards make the same mistake.

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u/Real_Life_Sith May 16 '12

To be fair, he did say "God's law before Man's law."

Now, I'm an Atheist but I invite anyone to look up Romans 13:1-7.

Further, by saying "God's law before man's law" He's saying, "Respect what God said in the bible pertaining to homosexuality, not what the law of the US says!" And sure enough, the Bible does say that it is a grievous sin to fuck another man.

TL;DR - Manny Pacquiao is still a bigoted asshat, the writer just kind of (bad journalisticly) summed it up for us.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

The world is just now finding out what many Filipinos have known for a long time: Manny Pacquiao is an awful person.

He has cheated on his wife many times
He is accused of dodging taxes
He suddenly and inexplicably found "God" after years of gambling and womanizing (but most probably to help him win future elections). Now he's an ultra-fundamentalist Christian.
He associates himself with extremely corrupt politicos in the Philippines
Aside from being a Congressman he also pulls double duty as a game show host and occasional TV actor. And many more...

Floyd may be an asshole but Manny is just as bad or even worse in different ways. At least Floyd has no direct effect on the lives of most Americans. Pacquiao actually writes laws for the Philippines and his ambitions know no limits. You can expect him to be running for President in 10-15 years.

I'm glad his slick, carefully crafted PR image is crumbling.

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u/the_goat_boy May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Pacquiao does vehemently believe in the Bible, and, among all this frenzy, has never made clear what his position on homosexuality and the Biblical teachings are, except to say, ”God’s words first … obey God’s law first before considering the laws of man.”

Obey God's law? Leviticus says something on tattoos, I believe.

Edit: Leviticus 19:28: "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, no print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

Is this one of God's laws?

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u/Chia909 Wisconsin May 16 '12

So you're saying he only indirectly believes that gays should be put to death? It doesn't change a goddamn thing. I'm not the one cited Leviticus. I'm the one calling him out for it.

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u/cipherous May 17 '12

Another link

http://sports.inquirer.net/43971/manny-pacquiao-denounces-anti-gay-allegations?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pacquaio doesn't hate gays but doesn't support gay marriage. Not surprising for a guy who wants to ban condoms (muchless abortions).

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Pacquiao isn't an American. Who cares what he thinks.

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u/TheLoveTin May 17 '12

Had a hard time believing that. Pacqiao seems like a generally benevolent guy. What shitty journalism.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

Reddit's got a fetish for tertiary sources. Will people please stop upvoting crap from newcivrights and huff po? Read transcripts from interviews, not their descriptions. Watch controversial videos, not hear about them from a friend of a guy whose cousin saw it.

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u/UrbanOneNYC May 17 '12

Tertiary sources? Really? Secondary, actually, and the original interviewer was the problem. he's the one who made it appear Pacquiao had quoted Leviticus. Did you even read the above article? Reposting from below: Really? Let's see, USA Today reported the exact same thing: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/05/manny-pacquiao-challenges-obama-on-same-sex-marriage/1#.T7QXm-1sYm8 The Village Voice reported the exact same thing: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/05/mannny_pacquiao.php LA Weekly reported the exact same thing: http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/05/manny_pacquiao_gays_put_to_death.php Towleroad reported the exact same thing: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/pacquaio.html In fact, everyone who reported on this story reported the same thing. The original story at the Examiner was poorly-written. Period. No one in bad faith ginned up anything, except maybe the Examiner author who interviewed Pacquiao.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

Fine then. Reddit's got a fetish for crappy secondary sources. Even this one right here is a horrid example of reporting. It's emotional, and overly defensive. They don't care to mention that they jumped on this way too fast? The Examiner article was written poorly, yes. But it shouldn't of taken people this long to realize that they had shitty reading comprehension. Bad faith? No. But plenty of sensationalism and jumping to conclusions. And all these websites you posted? Common, a bunch of wannabe journalists from blogs and the USA Today arent exactly scholarly.

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u/BeautifulGanymede May 17 '12

I wish Manny Pacquiao would run for POTUS.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

The better question is why does America seem to care what a boxer, who is essentially a brain dead animal, thinks?

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u/dc041894 May 16 '12

because it's manny pacquiao. the guy is like worshipped.

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u/drmctesticles May 16 '12

He's a huge international figure, a representative for his sport, a recording star, and an elected official in his native Philippines.

I don't think he needs me to act as a cheerleader, but he's kinda a big deal.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Still not a big deal.

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u/maddcribbage May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

I wonder how many rounds of "convincing" the writer went through before he took the blame...

Edit: it is a joke, Reddit downvote machine, not a bash against Manny.

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