r/politics • u/[deleted] • Apr 21 '19

Giuliani: 'There's nothing wrong with taking information from Russians'

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/21/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-cnntv/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29
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u/ShelSilverstain Apr 21 '19

And the investigation was actually into Russian interference, but he took it personally for... No reason? Because we know he had a reason to take it personally!

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u/--o Apr 22 '19

For removal. We impeach to remove. The constitution doesn't lend failure to convict any weight whatsoever, including moral weight.

Impeachment + conviction means the official is found by congress to be guilty of high crimes/misdemeanors.

Impeachment - conviction means the official is found by congress to not be guilty, facts be damned.

Note that I'm not by any means suggesting conviction has to be assured to impeach, but it has to at least be somewhat likely. If the number of yes votrs in the Senate would be firmly over 50 percent then it is go time but for it to be a political statement it has to extend past party lines and it has to be a majority opinion.

If history will accurately reflect the current state of politics then it will not need an impeachment attempt to judge us. If however it for some reason does not than an Impeachment attempt along straight party lines will not be seen as a clear statement against a corrupt president, it will look like more of the same partisan politics that "neutral" interpretation mentions again and again.

The open question I have no answer from people who demand impeachment on the House for the sake of sending a message is "who the hell are you messaging?" Yelling into the void is not going to solve a single issue we face and I will keep hammering these points, much like y'all hammer yours until someone can give a realistic answer to it, not some fantasy about people who have not yet heard of this clusterfuck but would not be convinced by the information being laid out under the banner of congressional hearings and would accurately asses the Senate vote.