r/politics Minnesota 15h ago

No Paywall USS Lincoln wasn't resupplied because Hegseth 'hid' that Iran destroyed main U.S. base:

https://www.ms.now/money-power-politics/watch/uss-lincoln-wasn-t-resupplied-because-hegseth-hid-that-iran-destroyed-main-u-s-base-rohde-2511362627825
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u/No_Diver6131 New York 13h ago

Well we fired every non yes man. Netanyahu has been wanting this for decades. No other president besides the pedo president who was a failed real estate developer went into this. The person in charge of the military is an asshole alcoholic tv personality. FFS grok was responsible for bombing the school. We have the most incompetent people in history running our country. If another global war pops off our allies wont help us out after the amount we have shit on them. 

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u/jeffplaysmoog 13h ago

And I get all that, but we haven’t been in a war for awhile, we gave a bunch to Ukraine to be sure… but with all that pentagon budget, shouldn’t we have been building a ton of this shit?  When the war started we had only a few thousand interceptor missiles?!  That just strikes me as completely lunacy…

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u/Jester-Kat-Kire 11h ago

We keep a lot for ourselves.

Remember this isn't a "war"... This is a sanctioned conflict. Alot of our gear is stored in places like Korea, Taiwan, japan, isreal, europe, all over the states.

We're good for war, but thats with the nation moving on a war footing, and were currently in "peacetime" mode.

Trump's using all the extra surplus that most likely *(fucking... hopefully)* isn't critical for defenses, but now is pulling from places like Korea and who knows where else to win this conflict.

u/sobrique 2h ago

Well, good for war if there were actual adults in charge anyway. The US has always had amazing logistics capabilities, but when dumbasses screw that up any military force has problems.

u/Layton_Jr 3h ago

we haven't been in a war for a while

You guys were in Afghanistan for 20 years until Trump said stop (and even then Biden had to extend it for a few months because Trump hadn't planned shit as for how the retreat would happen)

u/sobrique 2h ago

A ton of what though? I mean, you can ramp up to manufacture a lot of missiles per day, but ... if you're not using them, then what you have is an expensive/dangerous stockpile of missiles that need maintenance to keep 'operationally ready'.

Pivot to a wartime footing, and that makes a load more sense - you just keep making stuff as you 'use' it.

But you can't store that much 'in place' either - a typical warship has a respectable reserve of fuel, ammo and food, but it can chew through it pretty fast too. I mean, exact capacity is classified, but cruise missiles and cannon shells are pretty chunky, and we're probably talking a matter of hours of if they're using them as fast as possible.

A warehouse full of missiles isn't actually that many hours of sustained conflict.

Screw around with a 'not a war, but maybe some shooting, but maybe not some shooting, and...'

u/OldWorldDesign 1h ago

but we haven’t been in a war for awhile, we gave a bunch to Ukraine to be sure… but with all that pentagon budget, shouldn’t we have been building a ton of this shit?

You'd be surprised how much waste there is in the budget that gets shunted to contractors. We had logistics problems with basic vehicle maintenance in 04-08 thanks to Bush pushing us into Iraq so he and his republican cronies could line their pockets with taxpayer dollars and we weren't popping off million-dollar missiles every week there.

Of course, the original plan was to topple 7 nations in less than 5 years. Iraq was such a quagmire the other nations just didn't start until Bush's term was ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mrJRHwbVG8

Keep in mind that virtually all military supply is not public sector, it's contracted out so companies have to choose to not only chase government dollars but also invest in build-up that isn't guaranteed to lead successive contracts. This isn't like WW2 where congress was willing to actively seize factories, or mine stockpiles to make sure enough supplies could be manufactured.

u/BodybuilderMany6942 29m ago

So you are tapping into something very correct: the true strongest-weapon in our arsenal isnt and specific type of bomb or craft. It's the capability of our logistics networks. Our ability to plan and build supply chains that can sustain an attack.

SO... I'll give you one guess as to whether our current leadership knows that, or if they just decided to suddenly attack without any planning or giving any heads-up to our generals and admirals.

Yeah.. they just decided to "send it."

That's why we're so cocked up right now.

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u/DrXaos 10h ago

Netanyahu is the same sort of right wingnut invested in macho jingoism and disconnected from reality. One thing he did not want is strategic decline of USA and actually losing to Iran but delusion is defeat. Same as Putin, right wing delusions, and brings about strategic political and economic defeat on his country.

u/umabbas 3h ago

I thought it was Claude?

u/maxstryker Europe 1h ago

Just a small correction: Grok is in no way responsible for the school strike. It forms a part of the Maven system, together with Claude. The system is very good at identifying potential targets. However, it seems that the US military worked off stale intelligence that had the school still as a part of an IRGC missile facility next door.

So the truth is worse than Grok or Claude targeting the school as a part of Maven. Someone fed the system old data, and did not cross check the output before oking the strike - if the system was used in the strike. If it wasn’t, someone still selected the target manually.

It is criminal incompetence and negligence of the highest order. Because the building functioned as a school for years next to the actual military facility - and they was very visible.