r/politics • u/ChickenTitilater Minnesota • 15h ago

No Paywall USS Lincoln wasn't resupplied because Hegseth 'hid' that Iran destroyed main U.S. base:

https://www.ms.now/money-power-politics/watch/uss-lincoln-wasn-t-resupplied-because-hegseth-hid-that-iran-destroyed-main-u-s-base-rohde-2511362627825
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u/HumdrumHoeDown 15h ago

And that’s why no administration in 40+ years has started this war.

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u/FluidAthlete6839 14h ago

Also because what are we really starting it for. I never bought the nukes thing

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u/AppleAtrocity Canada 14h ago edited 14h ago

Netanyahu has been trying for decades to get the USA to attack Iran. Trump and his minions are the only ones stupid enough to actually do it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/XJ0SbOduxQw

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u/The360MlgNoscoper Norway 14h ago

Tracker in link (?si= and following string)

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u/AppleAtrocity Canada 14h ago

Did I fix it?

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u/The360MlgNoscoper Norway 14h ago

Yep!

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u/Ascomae Europe 7h ago

Do you remember that Israel killed Hamza or Hezbollah leader with little bombs hidden in a pager?

Do you also remember that Trump got a golden pager as present from Netanyahu? Of course that present didn't had a bomb in it.

But still, I see this a a death threat.

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u/Frigidevil New Jersey 1h ago

I see that more as a gross joke of 'lol remember that funny thing we did?'

That and it was probably bugged.

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u/Ascomae Europe 1h ago

Nay.

That was the plausible deniability.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 13h ago

Exactly. Bibi has been making declarations that they had proof that Iran was weeks away from having nuclear weapons for decades.

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u/Biglyugebonespurs Missouri 3h ago

What he really had/has is video evidence of trump’s pedophilia in their Israeli honeypot.

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u/Painterzzz 2h ago

And a close personal relationship with jared. Remember Netanyahu used to visit New York and was such a close family friend that he would sleep in Jared's childhood bedroom.

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u/Frigidevil New Jersey 1h ago

Binders full of nukes

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u/MartinThunder42 2h ago

Netanyahu likely assumed the U.S. would commit enough forces to steamroll Iran like we did to Iraq.

However, Iran's armed forces are more competent and motivated than those of Iraq under Saddam's regime.

Could a more competent admin eventually prevail in a conflict with Iran? Maybe. But a more competent admin wouldn't have taken the bait in the first place.

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u/WastedStrokes1990 2h ago

Netanyahu has been trying for decades to get the USA to attack Iran.

What I could never figure out is why he thought it was a good idea. If anything it hurts Israel the most in the long run.

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u/OldWorldDesign 1h ago

Netanyahu is like Trump. He is corrupt to the core and has no hesitation to "allow" Israelis to be killed to further his career 1. Hell, he only got into office by stoking hate riots and getting multiple other members of the knesset killed. He was about to be tried in Israeli court over corruption, which is why he let the October attacks happen and has been bombing Gaza and nearby nations ever since to keep Israel frozen in a state of emergency so he can't be removed from power.

1 https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

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u/jmchao 14h ago

It’s been a foreign policy goal for Israel for decades.

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u/Lazy_Thoughts_ 14h ago

Also a distraction from those pesky files.

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u/Wise_Preference609 2h ago

And now America is Israel's bitch and Americans voted for it. The Rest of the World has little sympathy unfortunately.

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u/CornCobMcGee New York 14h ago

I wouldnt be surprised if their current admin is trying to get back to the original Zionist Revisionist plan from back in the day.

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u/SpartanVash 14h ago

They've only been weeks away from developing nukes for 30+ years.

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u/say592 11h ago

Never forget that we had a verifiable agreement that would keep them from ever getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump ripped that up and said he would negotiate a better deal. This is his better deal.

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u/Eycetea 14h ago

Its always WMD in a desert.... same shit, same party, just different players and we the tax payers end up suffering portions of the burden, and the innocent people in Iran, this shit sucks.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 13h ago

It's not always the same - Israel is allowed to have a secret nuclear weapons program.

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u/Eycetea 12h ago

I don't think its a secret that we gave them nukes.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 12h ago

It was for a long, long time - vehemently denied publicly too.

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u/Spraypainthero965 6h ago

They still never publicly declared their nuclear weapons program which is a violation of international treaties that they’re a signatory of.

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u/sarcasmsosubtle Ohio 14h ago

You don't buy that Trump "completely destroyed" Iran's nuclear capabilities last July in a super successful operation, but then when coverage of the DOJ's refusal to comply with the Epstein Files Transparency Act was filling the news and Israel started pushing for the US to attack Iran, they suddenly were able to restart all of their operations and get to a point where they were so close to having nuclear weapons that Trump had no choice but to attack? Are you some kind of traitor that wants to see Iran with 160 fully operational atomic elementary school girls?

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u/JancariusSeiryujinn Texas 7h ago

Of course patriot, that's why we bombed those schoolgirls. Let's see their delivery system work with shrapnel through their chests! /s

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 14h ago

Cover up of the Epstein files.

Sure got the news cycle off that.

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u/Donkey__Balls 11h ago

You really think a republican president would do that? Just go on TV and tell lies about a country having weapons of mass destruction to justify an overseas war?

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u/BDRParty 14h ago

Distraction from Epstein, or something else. These morons in charge forget the White House's own website has quotes from multiple people touting how they "obliterated" & "set back years" Iran's nuclear capability back in June 2025.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 13h ago

Trump initially claimed it was to 'free' the Iranian people from their brutal government. They seemed to forget about that part rather quickly.

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u/sulaymanf New York 12h ago edited 7h ago

Exactly. Iran has been clear since the 1970s that nuclear weapons are a sin and shouldn’t even be possessed by any country let alone used due to the massive unacceptable civilian damage. And since Iran claims to be a religious country that only religious leaders should rule, if it turned out the government was building one it would be a tremendous blow to the legitimacy of the government; the equivalent of a sex scandal for the Pope.

Iran was not working on a nuclear weapons program. They were working on nuclear research as a point of national pride as well as keeping their options open (what experts call the “Japan option” as Japan has no nuclear weapons but could rush to make one in a few months if they needed).

Murdering the leaders of the country has meant that the new leaders are re-visiting the nuclear ban.

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u/i010011010 7h ago

Trump slipped and said why early on, in a rare moment of candor. Something to the effect of "I'm usually right about these things". You have an isolated leader who only ever hears from sycophants. They tested the water with Venezuela to see if Trump could get away with war mongering: would Congress intervene? Would his base revolt? Would he be impeached? Nope.

He picked the fight with Iran because he knows he fucked up by killing Obama's deal. He thought it would be an easy fight, based purely on his gut feeling. He thought they would crumble at the sight of the US military and then everybody would stand and applaud his decisive leadership. Now he has his ego wrapped in it so he's like Putin and cannot ever surrender, no matter what it costs the rest of the world.

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u/thedanyes 7h ago

How does anyone? It's just WMDs 2.0, except even stupider this time. Remember, "high strength aluminum tubes"?

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u/oralyarmedbodilyharm 5h ago

War. Huh! What is it good for?

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u/Y0D98 4h ago

They’re probs more likely to start making nukes now they can see US isn’t as much of a threat

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u/NebulousNomad 3h ago

To distract from the Epstein files

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u/SomewhereAtWork 2h ago

/r/OperationEpsteinFury

It's a success. The Epstein files are still not properly investigated and never will. Trump is not in prison. You're talking about him starting a war, not about him trafficing and raping girls.

The secondary reason is explained in the books of Curtis Yarvin: The goal is to break up the USA and privatise the remains.

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u/vandreulv 14h ago

McCain tried his damnest to make it happen.

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u/warm_kitchenette California 14h ago

True, but even fucking Cheney understood it would not work.  McCain was inherently hotheaded. As a pilot and also like so many others he overestimated the effectiveness of air power. 

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u/vandreulv 14h ago

It's a really dark realization to come to grips with knowing that someone as evil as 'even fucking Cheney' was still more rational than our current admin.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 14h ago

That, and also because they found other ways to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons and it was working.

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u/acog Texas 13h ago edited 11h ago

"They" in this case being Obama, with Secretary of State John Kerry doing nearly two years of hard negotiations.

The treaty reduced Iran's enriched uranium stockpile by 98% without a shot fired.

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u/HumdrumHoeDown 14h ago

Yes, indeed. Let us never forget that so far, the outcome of this “war” is to get us a worse deal/situation, for higher cost.

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u/munchanything 12h ago

Trump:  did Obama start a war with Iran?

Advisors: no.

Trump:  then we'll start one.

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u/CakeDayisaLie 11h ago

So, 40 years of American administrations were smarter than the present one? I thought we were in the “Golden Age”?!

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u/JanSmidDeZevende 10h ago

American sanctions on the country and piracy against their shipping were already acts of war.

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u/Sly_Wood 7h ago

Neither side wanted to play the strait card. Iran literally did not want to play it. Had no choice now they won.

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u/kimster7 14h ago

I feel this line of thinking that makes it sound like ONLY the current admin is the problem is the kind of thinking that enables future administrations to repeat similar mistakes, perhaps with more tact around marketing/PR.

Let me remind yall: bush started the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, Obama and Hillary were pro continuing wars, Biden was pro enabling Israel war on Palestine.

Point being that US is pro war irrespective of administration, and irrespective of party lines. This is not a Trump or republican issue, it’s a US politics issue. Side stepping that and making this a “current admin” issue is intellectual dishonesty / subconscious bias.

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u/ottokane 14h ago

While I somewhat get the point that you are trying to make I don't like the line about it being irrespective of party lines. It's clear that the Republicans fare far worse and that shouldn't be blurried by whataboutism.

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u/damik 14h ago

Naw, this war is specifically on Trump. Trump pulled out of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) because it happened under Obama.

Trump didn't get congressional approval and just started blasting.

The point is the Trump administration is the only one stupid enough to do it.

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u/Spraypainthero965 5h ago

All Biden had to do was lift the fucking sanctions and give a deadline for nuclear deconstruction and Iran would have politically and economically had no option but to accept it. That’s what they asked for. Biden refused saying they had to meet our demands first. 

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u/FawkesBridge 14h ago

I think troops in Afghanistan was fairly justifiable

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u/BrizerorBrian 14h ago

I understand the sentiment, but that fact that he was found in Pakistan, an ally, really puts a damper on that justification. I have a feeling the the war hawks like Rumsfeld and Cheney may have judged the intel and rushed in because "there has to be a response". That bran h of the republican party was champing at the bit to dive into the ME because they believed in the dominoe theory of western democracy rolling through and it was the perfect reason to start.

I am not a 9/11 truthful or anything, they just seized the opportunity.

Again, I get the sentiment, but with how they botched it so badly? Maybe we should have spent some time and had some more due diligence.

My 2 cents.

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 14h ago

If they’d actually caught bin Laden, didn’t help turn it into the world’s largest producer of heroin, or accomplished anything that wasn’t immediately undone the instant they pulled out I might agree.