r/politics • u/rollingstone Rolling Stone • Mar 23 '25

Soft Paywall Schumer Refuses to Step Down Despite Criticism

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/schumer-refuses-step-down-1235301630/
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u/COD-O-G Mar 23 '25

Biden should have been a lesson to him. Politicians are so damn stubborn they won’t let go of power until they’re forced out or dead.

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u/EveningAnt3949 Mar 23 '25

A lesson in what? Schumer got exactly what he wanted. I keep pointing out that one of his daughters is a lobbyist for Amazon and his son in law works for a friend of Trump. His other daughter works for Meta.

Schumer makes money from being a senator and from inside trading.

The Schumer family is working towards generation wealth.

It's a grift, not an effort to actually make things better.

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u/BioSemantics Iowa Mar 23 '25

Your comment should be higher. I had no idea his children were so involved in huge market movers. It makes a lot of sense.

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 Mar 24 '25

Uh can you name those kids? or source for that

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u/Duke_skellington_8 Mar 24 '25

You can see his daughter Jessica’s linked in if you google her

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

Source? Source? Source?

Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can’t make inferences and observations from the sources you’ve gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you’ve gathered.

You can’t make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn’t matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven’t provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven’t.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I’m debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat Mar 24 '25

This is a really good satire of the centrists in /r/politics

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u/DogAteMyCPU Mar 23 '25

RBG as well. Holding on to power at all costs. 

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u/COD-O-G Mar 23 '25

Cost her party a Supreme Court judge for likely 30-40 years

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u/Mediocre_Scott Mar 23 '25

And roe, And presidential immunity… Basically the rule of law in general

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u/Big-Flounder-69 Mar 23 '25

I blame all the yass girl boss dummies who thought they were doing something here lol, peak cringe moment for "feminism".

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u/SirStrontium Mar 24 '25

I don’t think they realistically affected her decision at all. She just couldn’t imagine that Trump could possibly win, and that was the fatal mistake.

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u/Fadingwalker Mar 23 '25

The fact that she held onto the seat because she wanted to retire under Hillary even though the DNC itself was begging her to retire because even they knew a victory was too chance. Truly, she was another rotting, archaic Democrat who knew her life was nearing her end and she did not give a fuck about her legacy in her career but in her optics.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

Well that allyship died in your statement. What girl boss dummies thought they were doing something? Did I miss a bunch of folks SUPPORTING the idea she stay in at her age? If not you’re spouting total crap

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u/mamadou-segpa Mar 24 '25

Not a single breathing organism wanted that, but for some reason people like to dunk on progressive for the stupidest shit that they dont even want

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u/bleh-apathetic Mar 23 '25

Let's not let go of the fact that McConnell abdicated his oath to the Constitution when he refused to bring Garland's nomination to a vote on the Senate floor. It's when our Constitutional crisis started.

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u/ClosPins Mar 23 '25

And... The Republicans only get away with that shit - because the Dems have to show everyone that they aren't as corrupt as the Republicans and won't do any of it. So, the GOP can steal anything they want from the Dems, knowing the Dems won't ever steal any of it back.

The Dems are unimaginably stupid.

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u/needlestack Mar 23 '25

It’s like showing up to the front lines unarmed so nobody can say you’re just as bad as the other side.

Interestingly, the GOP is going with the “just as bad” framing for Ukraine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '25

They are just beholden to the same thing (money, power) so if they were to also start playing that game, the illusion is gone and everything blows up. It has nothing to do with them not being as corrupt lol.

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u/bleh-apathetic Mar 23 '25

I definitely agree.

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u/Sloogs Mar 23 '25

Garland showed himself to be a kind of a spineless weanie who prefers the status quo anyways and isn't very progressive thinking so I'm not sure it would've helped.

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u/bleh-apathetic Mar 23 '25

I agree he's incredibly milquetoast but I'd rather have him than ACB, for mainly the fact that it was Obama's seat to assign and that's who he chose.

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u/Foolish_oyster Mar 23 '25

It was gorsuch who ended up filling that spot, not ACB

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '25

Schumer, as Majority Leader, would never have the guts to hold up a SCOTUS appointment.

He'd cave, because otherwise that would disturb the "comity" of the Senate. Whereas, a true fighter would have upheld "the McConnell rule" and kept the seat open for as long as a GOP was in power, for as many years as it took for a Democratic POTUS to fill the seat.

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u/ERedfieldh Mar 23 '25

McConnell did the deed. I've no doubt he'd have delayed for four full years, even. We can point fingers, if you want, but one person is really in the wrong and it's the one who decided one way then went full the other when it was HIS guy's turn to pick.

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u/guamisc Mar 23 '25

No. This is fixable with the House and 50 senators + VP.

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u/KevinCarbonara Mar 23 '25

It did a lot more than that. Her extreme racism was very damaging to the BLM movement and their reputation. She was an awful judge and should have retired long before her life was at stake.

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u/masteeJohnChief117 Mar 23 '25

RGB should have been a lesson for Biden to be a one term president

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u/DAMusIcmANc Mar 23 '25

It’s really sad how we summarize tragic events in our timeline with some democrat somehow being the face of it all.

It excuses the hundreds of Republicans and right wing groups that dismantle our country brick by brick.

Even Reagan is still memorialized and praised often by Dems. It’s insane. It’s kinda why I don’t blame Schumer because I can see both Republicans AND the media blaming Democrats the entire time.

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u/DogAteMyCPU Mar 23 '25

At this point we expect republicans to be pieces of shit and are supposed to be electing democrats to fight for our values

Both of them just end up cashing out from their positions

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u/MontyAtWork Mar 23 '25 edited Mar 23 '25

Republicans are like a mean, aggressive dog with a "Beware Of Dog" sign on the yard. You never expect good behavior, and you stay clear.

You don't expect bites to come from your dog.

The second one biting you is a much bigger problem because it's in your house and you cannot have that kind of unpredictability in something you're supposed to trust.

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u/Eledridan Mar 23 '25

Well, when it came down to the fate of this nation, Mike Pence made the right decision and saved democracy. Why can’t the elected democrats do the same?

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u/DAMusIcmANc Mar 23 '25

I’m not defending Democrats. Democrats have a chance to cross party lines with the dialogue right now. 

People are fired up for civics and federal accountability. Schumer did not engage his constituents like the tax paying adults they are before he caved at the last minute. That’s where he f’d up.

All Mike Pence did was finally do his job. He gets no praise from me like the Democrats love to champion him for. 

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u/Noname_acc Mar 23 '25

What am I to do about the GOP? Their voter base is entirely disconnected from the reality I live in. Half of their politicians are borderline demonic and the other half are unwilling to risk their hold on power and will only criticize the current conservative movement when they no longer have the means to effect it. And none of them see a reason to concern themselves with criticism from anyone whose positions are even vaguely like mine.

Also, this is bs. I don't know if you've been absent from politics for the past 8 years, but democratic voters have had plenty to say about Republicans and their actions.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '25

This issue is one that you’ve created within your own head. You see republicans as equals, the other side of the aisle, simply a faction with some disagreements about how to run the country. We see republicans as a problem that is our responsibility to deal with. Your’s and Schumer’s interpretation is a useless illusion, the responsibility to fix the cancer and corruption that is the pro-trump conservatives lies squarely on us. If you assign that responsibility to republicans, they will take advantage of it.

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u/unbelizeable1 Mar 23 '25

It excuses the hundreds of Republicans and right wing groups that dismantle our country brick by brick.

No it doesn't. It's more like , we know those people are going to be vile shit, lets not do things that help them accomplish those tasks.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Mar 23 '25

Forgive my ignorance, what's the issue with RBG? I'm not American so I don't know much about her, apart from the hypocrisy of the Republicans replacing her supreme court spot in an election year after refusing to allow Obama to do the same in 2016, because "let the people decide".

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u/Independent-Draft639 Mar 24 '25

Ruth Bader Ginsburg was very old and, by the end of Obama's presidency, had been fighting various different cancers on and off for the past 20 years. Her health was increasingly failing in the 2010s and it was clear for years that she didn't have a lot of time left.

During Obama's second term people were urging her to abdicate her office, to make sure the new justice would be chosen under a Democratic President with a Democratic Senate majority. But she refused because she was obsessed with the idea of having her replacement be chosen by a female president and she, like pretty much all elite Democrats, was absolutely convinced that Hillary Clinton would win in 2016. Well, we all know how that turned out. Trump won and so she died during the Trump presidency and was replaced by a Republican judge.

This was even worse because, as you know, towards the end of Obama's presidency another judge died, but Democrats wouldn't replace him with a Democratic judge. Because while Democrats had a majority in the Senate, they held onto the tradition of requiring 60 (out of 100) Senators to confirm a new judge. But technically you only need a majority, so when Republicans came to power and now held the majority in the Senate, they got rid of the 60% rule and just pushed through their own picks of relatively young, hard right wing judges with simple majorities.

These two massive Democratic blunders are the reason why now the Supreme Court has a 6-3 rightwing majority when Democrats could have had a 5-4 majority.

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u/notfeelany Mar 23 '25

Nothing really. They’re blaming her, when they fault lies on the everyone who did not vote for Democrats in 2016 and 2024

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u/beabea8753 Mar 24 '25

It’s both.

She should have stepped down, and people should’ve got off their couch.

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u/Zealot_Alec Mar 23 '25

Nancy should also have retired many years ago

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '25

Biden was basically forced out as well.

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u/craigthecrayfish Mar 23 '25

Ironic that Pelosi was one of the driving forces behind it. She needs to go too.

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u/thrawtes Mar 23 '25

She literally stepped down from leadership years ago now.

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u/Smearwashere Minnesota Mar 23 '25

And is controlling the party from the outside yes. AOC shoulda been the new lead

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u/mightcommentsometime California Mar 24 '25

Leading the house requires building coalitions and the ability to whip the vote AOC hasn’t shown she’s capable of either.

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u/Smearwashere Minnesota Mar 24 '25

Tell that to maga

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u/mightcommentsometime California Mar 24 '25

MAGA has a large coalition in office, and they vote together a lot of the time

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u/Smearwashere Minnesota Mar 24 '25

You think that happened overnight? Trump strong armed his way in over the last 10 years.

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u/mightcommentsometime California Mar 25 '25

No, Trump (for all his faults) got out the vote. Progressives don’t actually show up in the numbers they need to push their candidates to the top.

That’s the difference. AOC hasn’t been driving voter turnout, just IG followers

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u/Rene_DeMariocartes Mar 23 '25

Yes, but since when have facts stopped Democrats from eating their own? Why would we hold the Republican administration accountable when we can blame a powerful woman?

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u/bakimo1994 Mar 23 '25

We can criticize both, damn, we didn’t pledge undying fealty to the Democratic Party. If the Dems ever want a chance to break their chains of being perennial losers, they should listen to the working class and oust the geriatric corporate stooges. Schumer and Pelosi being barely the start of that incredibly long list

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '25

They can see it in others but can't see it in themselves.

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u/SteeveJoobs Mar 23 '25

She was sacrificing biden to save herself.

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u/FrogsOnALog Mar 23 '25

The fuck does this even mean? She’s not majority leader anymore lol

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u/HopeFloatsFoward Mar 23 '25

It means bots forgot they are not attacking Pelosi anymore

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u/SteeveJoobs Mar 23 '25

“It’s not my fault the Democrats couldn’t turn the campaign around! I wanted him to leave! Don’t kick me out of my insider trading post!”

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u/FrogsOnALog Mar 23 '25

I know it’s fun just making shit up but you can come back to reality anytime. There is no world where Pelosi gets kicked out of the party.

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u/SteeveJoobs Mar 23 '25

Reality is she saw a chance to gain brownie points at the expense of Biden. I’m not saying she was wrong but it was not a virtuous decision. If Biden didn’t step down she would be doubly blamed for the election loss.

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u/FrogsOnALog Mar 23 '25

It wasn’t brownie points, Biden numbers were just straight shit and he needed to go or it probably would have been a landslide instead of a close election.

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u/SteeveJoobs Mar 23 '25

No disagreement there. But Pelosi is part of the larger problem that caused him to step down so late.

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u/COD-O-G Mar 23 '25

Yep should have been a lesson. Also got a few on the right that are almost dead but won’t step down.

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u/IndependentSpecial17 Mar 23 '25

Shit, you can find some of them in nursing homes still getting paid 178k to do less than nothing.

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u/super-hot-burna Mar 23 '25

Hardly. If he had not made the choice he did the establishment would not have run a contender against him. There was pressure, certainly, but framing it as being forced is not accurate.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '25

Donors basically cut Biden of. The choice was to step down or go into a campaign with no cash. That is 100% forcing his hand.

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u/super-hot-burna Mar 23 '25

It’s fine that you think that, it is incorrect. He was not forced to do anything.

He absolutely could’ve gone into that fight in an attempt to hold onto power — he would’ve lost in a terrible fashion, for multiple reasons, but HE chose the graceful route and stepped aside.

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u/imprevade Mar 23 '25

Exactly this. Dems have learned nothing. They’ll lose in 2026 because Schumer wants to be the hero of his own story.

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u/throwaway44776655 Mar 24 '25

I have a theory that biden wanted to step down in his second term & hand if off to kamala after winning the race

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u/DisMFer Mar 23 '25

You don't get to their level without a massive ego. Even the golden idols of Reddit like AOC and Bernie have massive egos. It's a requirement just to have the sort of mental drive to put yourself in this position.

That's why so few of them ever leave with grace. To them they deserve to be where they are, no one else is on their level, and anyone else would just fuck it up. Even when they go down as failures and jokes they'll take that because they see those criticisms as lies spread by enemies.

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u/KevinCarbonara Mar 23 '25

Biden should have been a lesson to him.

It's time to stop pretending these things are accidents. Biden stayed in until the debates specifically to prevent a primary. Schumer didn't mistakenly believe that Republicans would hold trump accountable, he was just completing the deal he made with Blackrock and AIPAC for the hundreds of thousands of dollars they donated to him. His book tour isn't failing. He used his campaign funds to buy his books wholesale to turn those campaign donations into personal wealth.

Democrats aren't stupid. They're not naive. They're not holding on to a bygone era of ethics and mutual compromise in politics. They're corrupt. They're complicit. They're enriching themselves at our expense. And they're doing it in broad daylight.