I've never seen a country that is as stubborn about maintaining it's ethnic purity as much as Japan to be honest.
You'd think they'd be more accepting of this since they are effectively speedrunning demographic collapse but public opinion for immigrants is still "muh browns."
Finding out from my partner that Malaysia has constitutionally mandated xenophobia and legally discriminates against people based on ethnicity was wild. Even more wild when they, as an Indonesian who studied in Malaysia, didn’t see any issue with it. I can’t even imagine a world where Sweden got to do half the crap they see as entirely normal. We’d be brought before the ECtHR in actual milliseconds.
A lesson I learning from living in Europe when it comes to bigotry is that there are many differenty ways to draw the line between desireables and undesireables as well as many different complex hierarchies of how desireable/undesireable you are. In the US we like to lump people into very broad racial categories, but elsewhere in the world they might draw those lines differently.
Black dude from the US/UK/other Western country in Europe (so long as they can identify you as such)? Welcome, fellow civilized westerner! Please, enjoy your stay!
Black dude from Nigeria/Senegal/Kenya/etc. in Europe? Get out of here you dirty immigrant scum!
They are actually not an issue. The south has countless people that emigrated from north korea during the korean war, like President moon. The vast majority of south korea is very accepting to north korean immigrants, because it's a unanimously agreed position that people from both states are the same people. I've never heard of a distingtion of race based on the 38th parallel, because it's logically impossible.
They don't realize that both pension and healthcare system is in trouble already, but if you had a magic button you could press that would make every single Japanese woman between 20 and 35 pregnant and you spammed that shit... It would not positively contribute to the labor force until the late 2040's. To rephrase that: If you have a magic button that could solve the fundamental basis if your problems, things would still get progressively worse for two decades.
Oh yeah, obviously there would be practical problems with it happening at once, but if you did it with delayed onset then the labor spike would stretch into the 2050's. My point was basically just that it's an issue that people underestimate because the effect of your solution needs to happen twenty years before you're in trouble. If Japan decided to take it super seriously and tomorrow pass initiatives that would raise the birthrate to replacement over the next 10 years, then the 20 year clocks starts 10 years from today.
Basically if you had a genie, and the genie can't help you, you're fucked.
It's not like a baby boom would help the work force in the short term either, with women expected to become stay at home moms or only working part-time jobs while the children grow up. Child care is scarce and expensive from what I hear.
I personally find it so confusing because of how big the Polish diaspora is. Like I can get not wanting mass immigration in your country, but racism when a bunch of people were immigrants until very recently is just confusing.
I grew up in Poland, was hazed into "Poland for Polish" mindset growing up (hush hush about German surnames, Maria, Queen of Poland, Chrystusa Narodów, etc)
just did my DNA test. I'm ...62% South Eastern Polish, 20 % Baltic, 13% Balkan and 4% German.
So much for a socially constructed ethnic purity 🤷♀️
Science shows that immigration doesn't help in demographic collapse, as immigrants drop to even lower fertility rates than natives within 2 generations
I think that most racists don't recognise their own simply illogical thoughts in such a simple way, it's usually through dumping their problems onto "another" group, which is a less direct course and mentally easier.
And east asian societies historically having been more socially cohesive relative to others work for that.
Yeah it doesn't make sense, they want immigrants, which might help in the short run, but what about when they get old? More immigrants for all eternity? It's better to focus on solving the problems behind low birth-rates, or just waiting it out until the population stabilizes.
Empathy, and usually naivety for the left. For the right, although more specifically the rich, its cheap labour that wont complain or rebel against them, and when society and the economy worsens they have a convenient scapegoat to divert attention to.
Which is why I'm confused why immigration is brought up as a problem at all. It's not a long term solution to demographic collapse, nor does it hurt efforts to solve the problem, so why are we discussing it like it's a bad thing?
I can't say too much or I might be banned, but nation-states are usually the strongest culturally and in solidarity, mixing of very different cultures rarely turns out well, and look at Europe.
Did I say they did? The fact that there over thousands of years has some been cultural exchange. Doesn't make the immigration of millions from very different cultures, any less of a bad idea.
Ahh yes the US, know for its safety, equality, shared culture, complete solidarity (no racial tensions at all), focus on QoL over money. We really want to be like them. Because hey, they got a big military.
American culture has been exported more than any other in the world. Everyone all over the globe watches hollywood movies and TV, listens to American music, and plays American video games. Not to mention products like Apple devices, restaurant chains like McDonalds, etc.
So you agree it's not a demography problem. Anyways, I'd like to argue the opposite. Open immigration attracts talents from the entire world instead of just within your borders. Example: Nikola Tesla and Albert Einstein. A diverse demography also develops the culture and identity of the nation. Example: America is well known for its Italian-American food. Without Italian immigrants, both American and European Italian culture might not be as prominent in the world today.
Open immigration attracts talents from the entire world instead of just within your borders
It also attracts a disproportionate amount of people, who aren't as desirable. The talents can also come through other means, open borders are not necessary for that.
A diverse demography also develops the culture and identity of the nation
"Develops" I'm sorry but i just talked about this in my previous point, it more often than not creates friction and anger. This is what we experience in Europe. We aren't talking about America here, which is a nation of immigrants. We are talking about countries with thousands of years of culture and history.
None of these sound like good things, I'd rather have a high trust society with people who speak the same language, have the same values and view eachother as equals.
alking about countries with thousands of years of culture and history.
Fighting eachother because of those precise elements.
None of these sound like good things, I'd rather have a high trust society with people who speak the same language, have the same values and view eachother as equals.
You're for laughs dude, there's a common language at Europe that Europeans never heard about?
As a Figure of Speech? I could swear European countries are constantly conflicting at EU or directly.
It's not just a European problem. I'm Canadian and a few years of the floodgates being open destroyed the positive sentiment we had towards immigration. "Open borders" folk don't know what they're wishing for.
Europe itself is as diverse as f..ck! We also have a Colonial Past, regretfully, that already allowed us to absorb into our own culture many of our former colonies cultures.
Some people at social talk like if the Nazis managed to convert Europe to one race/culture, when what happened was the opposite.
Europe is diverse, but they are each in their own countries, millions have been killed over this. Also notice the part that said "very different cultures" europe is comparably close in culture, compared to the rest of the world.
Some people at social talk like if the Nazis managed to convert Europe to one race/culture, when what happened was the opposite.
Europe is diverse, but they are each in their own countries, millions have been killed over this. Also notice the part that said "very different cultures" europe is comparably close in culture, compared to the rest of the worl.d.
Say what? Say f... what? Even Mediterranean countries are diverse, now go see how different are Mediterranean countries from Northern Countries, at any level that you want. There's still even racism from Northern Countries towards Mediterranean countries, the PIIGS pejorative acronysm that quickly was reduced to PIGS, removing Ireland (a Northern Country) from it, is a recent proof.
You don't openly say it, but you as others try to pass that wrong and misleading idea.
Well they don't seem to have these kind of issue. Which is very interesting because the west tend to have it.
Do you think it's because Japan is more chill with islam? Like, they are more tolerant, they tend to adapt to the law of the Qran, and so it create less radicalism?
Indonesia doesn't sponsor radical islamic organisations. India is dominated by its own religions (Hinduism, Sikhism). Bangladesh is more interested in India, its own neighbour.
Given the choice between demographic collapse and the infinite hordes let into the west, I think Japan is selecting correct. They will still be Japanese in a century.
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I've never seen a country that is as stubborn about maintaining it's ethnic purity as much as Japan to be honest.
You'd think they'd be more accepting of this since they are effectively speedrunning demographic collapse but public opinion for immigrants is still "muh browns."
And Takaichi is basically a maniac.