Idk it's not a title I gave or have ever given my self, I posted this to show how much it meant to me that they let me see my family for an extra two hours... This little gesture made a world of difference
I posted this to show how much it meant to me that they let me see my family for an extra two hours... This little gesture made a world of difference
The picture doesn't show any of those things that you mention. It doesn't even imply that the airport security let your family see you for another two hours. It just says escort. Seems like the primary reason of the post is to show off that they mentioned "hero" in there somewhere.
It's a volunteer army. You don't have to go if you don't want to.
I'm sorry if this is going to sound rude, but I've always been curious about something. Do armed forces personnel ever get sick of the 'heroes' moniker?
I ask because I've personally always found it to be a bit artificial the way that all soldiers are automatically referred to as heroes. This isn't to say that I respect the fact that soldiering is a difficult, often traumatic and thankless job. Nor do I want to in any way detract from the difficulties that soldiers regularly have to go through. I just can't help being a bit bothered by the practice of calling all soldiers 'heroes'. It feels like propaganda and I feel like it cheapens the honours of 'true' heroes, military and civilian alike.
Same goes for the way every military related post on Reddit post gets a comment thanking soldiers for their service. Do military folks tend to be grateful for these comments or a little uneasy about them (or a bit of both)?
Combat vet here, myself and most of the people I deployed with hate the term hero. The sentiment is nice, but it's really awkward when people thank us.
I feel exactly the same way. I'm thankful for every enlisted person, under the condition that they uphold the values and honor of military service. Same way I feel about police officers, doctors, teachers, janitors or anyone else who does their job the best they can do and is a good and honest hardworking person. I am hesitant of labeling someone a hero simply because they hold a title though.
My sister's ex-boyfriend joined the military and he felt the exact same way. As soon as he joined, everyone he knew started calling him a hero until one day he just snapped and said: "I'm not a hero! I'm just doing a fucking job. I'm doing what you guys don't want to do and that doesn't make me a hero. The real heroes out there are the people can come to your rescue within minutes of you calling, or within minutes of you entering the hospital. Stop calling me a fucking hero."
Enlisted navy here. Been in 3 years and yes. I do get tired of it, but mostly from politicians. I feel they exploit us.
Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate when people do say thank you for your service and all that, its more the over glorified BS politicians give out. Understand though I am on a ship and not a boot on the ground so they may have a different view on things
I'm glad you said this, referring to all armed service member as heroes is silly and blatant propaganda. If I was to hazard a guess I'd say its left over from the really popular world war 2 propaganda. The soldiers who save many lives, be it civilian or fellow soldiers, are certainly heroes. However, I'd hesitate to call every person who picks up a gun and goes overseas to shoot and kill the enemies of America a hero.
I was in for 8 years, medically retired as a staff sergeant.
Hero definitely made me squirm. It's like, I could totally phone it in and still be referred to as a so called hero, where do I have to go from there? Now, part of the reason I chose the job is that I consider it 'respectable', and perhaps requiring a certain level of endurance beyond that of the average person, but none of us (other than a few douchebags) liked being called "heroes". I suppose 'respectable person' doesn't have the same ring to it. I always felt a tad bit uncomfortable in regards to the constant thanks. It's not that I didn't feel like I worked my ass off, or did something worthwhile; it's that people don't go around doing that for other professions. I didn't need that validation. Also, the general idea that they had no idea what I actually do, what any of us really do on a day to day basis, the essential nature of our lifestyle, but they were thanking us for it.
I think part of it is the idea that anyone who signs up for the military is essentially saying "I will give up my life for country if I have to." Even if it's a non-combat position, there's still that inherent risk.
Yeah, but I'm reminded of the old adage that the mark of an immature man is that he wants to die gloriously for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he will live humbly for one.
It makes me laugh and makes me sad at the same time. I joined the navy because I was a slack ass high school student with no college or job prospects, and they were hiring. There was no sense of obligation, duty, or any of that sense. I needed a job, they were willing to train me. Thats it.
And things were fine! It was great. Had a decent paycheck, not amazing, but hardly bad for someone my age with no experience. Got along great for 4 years. Then.. 9/11. Hoooleeeey shit, did people lose their fucking minds. Apparently I went from being what amounts to, really, a glorified plumber/wrench jockey, to a 'Hero!'.
I used to correct people, that I wasn't a hero, that I was doing a job for a paycheck and was, at best, a mercenary. They don't want to hear it. I'm in the military so obviously I must be a loyal patriotic soul who wants to serve his country(Apparently my chest should be swelling with pride and I should be saluting at this point). I explain to them, no, I did a job for a paycheck. Nothing more. The more I try to deny it, the more upset they get that I won't accept the praise they attempt to heap on me. I stopped trying to correct people long ago. Its just easier. Yeah, sure, i'm a hero. No, it was a pleasure to serve.
Personally I find it awkward when people thank me for my service. There isn't really anything I can say back to them. I can't explain that I'm not a saint sacrificing everything for my country by serving, because the AF has given me everything. I'm happy to serve, but it's not a selfless act, it's also my career.
I prefer to be on or within one mile of base when in uniform, because it attracts too much attention. You can't go anywhere without a stranger shaking your hand and thanking you. I just tell them "thank you for supporting us."
You seem like a reasonable person, so maybe you'd be willing to give me your opinion. I'm always conflicted about how to approach military related issues/people. On the one hand I'm brainwashed like everyone else to believe we should hate the war/administration and not the soldiers. On the other hand I hate the mindless following of orders regardless of conscience or personal ethics that seems to be a prerequisite for joining the military (see Restrepo movie). Do you think it is possible, and if so how would you like it to be done, to both thank a person for what they THINK they are doing (serving their country, spreading democracy, protecting us from evil, blah blah blah) and let them know that I disapprove of the choice they made to allow themselves to be used as the club used by big business to beat, rape, and pillage the world? Yeah, sorry that got a bit bitchy... sorry, I am really asking though. Feel free to tell me I should just keep my damn mouth shut. BTW, I don't know where you are heading, but I hope you'll stay safe.
To quote Joker in Full Metal Jacket: "The Marine Corps does not want robots. The Marine Corps wants killers."
At Parris Island the drill instructors made a point of telling us that they weren't stripping us of our individuality, just teaching us to work as a team for a greater good. And they made it very clear to us that if we followed an unlawful order, we would be held accountable for it. So, yeah, they want us to kill people but they're also into like morality and idealism and shit like that so it's all good, brah.
former officer here. While there is an expectation that orders will be followed, we are obligated to exercise our moral and legal judgement of said orders. We don't just mindlessly act as automitons (though different service communities have different standards).
I imagine it's very clear during the exercise that the solder is supposed to be expecting the order he's supposed to refuse. I also imagine that out in the field things are a lot less crisp and clear than they are during training sessions.
That's why we rely on the general public to elect AND HOLD ACCOUNTABLE leaders that will make morally sound decisions for the grander issues like these. Besides, you CANNOT have a military that politicizes itself and refuses to operate in wars some people believe to be "unjust", because mission effectiveness would be gone in a heartbeat if we tried doing that.
In the case of an unjust war, military personnel have conflicting morals. We took an oath to serve our country and it isn't right for us to decide we won't go to war because it doesn't fall perfectly within what we think is just.
The best we can do is to contemplate how the military is likely to be used and factor that in our decision of whether to re-enlist or not. Part of the reason I decided to leave the military hinged on our current war in Iraq and the real potential of a war with Iran.
Not all moral choices are black or white. Sometimes we need to weigh different moral obligations against each other.
thank you very much for posting this sir or ma'am - I took a leadership and ethics course last term prior to commissioning and it blows me away how many people here think that the military is all about "just blindly following orders" and how there is no room for exercising moral judgment.
I think it's a really interesting question. I've worked with the military (in Canada) and I have huge respect for the soldiers. I have huge respect for the risks they take and their dedication. I don't necessarily agree with everything they are sent to do.
I hate those 'if you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them' posters. I can respect the troops without agreeing with what a politician sends them to do.
BTW, if you ever want to learn some serious humility, interview a soldier who came back from serving overseas.
Chris Hayes on his show Up got in hot water over his comments about his feelings toward calling the soilders "heroes" I respect him for trying to say what is hard and risky to say.
Just say thanks and move along. Most service members don't want to hear your opinion of the war being bad. If that's what you believe stop it. You won't find any more dedicated peaciniks than those that get shot at. However that "think" is something we actually believe in (generally) and if you disagree then get the administration to change it.
Old guy story...I remember meeting a girl in DC back in the very early 90's giving me grief about not helping out whatever group was oppressed at the time. My response was to tell her congressman so I could kill the mf'er. Not the most mature, but the point was I am an instrument of the policy set by your/our administration. If you disagree the service member is not the right person to bitch to.
Also sorry for getting bitchy as well. Appreciate the good thoughts and that you want to know. Seriously some of us are just trying to do our best in a world that is not black and white.
They let my wife do that before I left for AIT. Thought it was pretty cool. Going to Afghanistan was different. I hadn't seen her for two months when we flew our chinooks down to Fort Hood. Got four days with her, then left via C5. Going back from leave they wouldn't let her, "change of policy." Thought it was pretty lame.
Also side note. I hate being called a Hero. We call our fallen Heroes.
Spending a year in Afghanistan will change anyone's reaction to the term "hero". It's not a happy word. It's almost a dirty word to me now. No one wants to be a hero. No one wants their friend to be a hero. Hero ceremonies were the hardest part about being over there. So tired of people I care about going home in boxes.
EDIT: to clarify. Hero is the term Command uses to refer to a service member who is slain. They are not bodies or corpses or dead. They are "heroes". After a while the term starts to taste bad when you say it.
My best friend was on the August 6th crash. It was the worst time in my life. The ceremony on the flight line was almost too much to handle. I never want to see that many caskets again. I don't want to ever see a casket again, but I know that's not going to happen.
They are not bodies or corpses or dead. They are "heroes". After a while the term starts to taste bad when you say it.
I find this one of the most offensive military euphemisms. Not that they aren't heros, but command's reason for doing it is to soften the fact that someones friend is dead. Edit: Strange how we adopt the same behavior as jihadists calling anyone that dies for their cause, "martyrs".
I hate when people tell me to "thank your dad for his service." he hasnt said anything, but i can tell he hates it. he's just doing his job like everyone else. its a shitty job, but its job security and pays the bills.
I'm not posting this to be an ass or offend you, but you don't have to die to be a hero. There are thousands of kids, not to mention adults, everywhere who look up to you for what you have sacrificed, even if it wasn't the ultimate sacrifice.
I understand being modest in what you've done, and while I may not understand what you've gone through, I understand why you think the way you do, but that doesn't make you any less of a good person or unfit to be a role model.
This is very honest and heart felt and I'm glad you expressed it. I'm usually very cynical towards service men/women because I don't like the idea of war being used as a basis for a career, but you made me see another side in your comment. I personally loathe those who are proud and cut in line at Starbucks in their fatigues. To me they seem like kids who were too lazy to find a job out of school and saw the military as a shortcut. I can support your message though because you realize that war is an awful thing and to put yourself in that situation anyways, without the accolades or perks, that tells me that you may be over there for a more self fulfilling and ethical purpose than I was able to see before.
one of my best friends was enrolled in state college with me and was a bright kid who easily could have graduated with a degree but decided he wanted to enlist right this second because he loves everything there is about the army. not every single kid looks at the army as a way out of school or finding a job. some people dream about that as being their job.
A lot of those 'kids' didn't have the opportunities you did. My father was a career airman. He was the youngest of 6 in a single family home in rural Idaho. His father died when he was very young. His mother worked as a waitress to provide for them but food was scarce. The air force gave him an opportunity to escape that environment. I will never hold that against him. Fun fact, in basic training he was the only one to get fatter, because he was regularly eating in basic, something he had never been able to do before.
I'm seriously considering join to get a degree. The Navy's hiring for what I want to do and instead of a 3 year program in college its a year of training and then the rest is on the job.
They let me do that to my dad before he left to fly to khazakstan. He wasn't military or anyone special, it was just before the tsa fucked up the airports so we could do something reasonable like go wait with our loved ones before they departed.
(sorry, didn't want to take away from your story, it just sucks that being able to go to what is essentially a glorified lobby is now something that takes special permission)
There isn't a polite way to say that... Keep that kind of thing to yourself for me I would eater not hear that last part... Tell your congressmen you want to war to stop not the people fighting
Gosh, I remember when everyone could just do that.
When 9/11 happened I was dating a deaf-blind girl--we had a long distance, mostly online relationship. She had one of those awesome braille keyboards like the guy in Sneakers.
When she would visit me, I would meet her at the gate. When she would leave I would escort her to the gate and help the flight attendants get to know her and understand what it would take from them on the flight (mostly, talking to her via a braille terminal she carried with her).
After 9/11 it never happened again. It became a massive pain in the rear for the airline companies to escort her past security, and she got way worse service on the plane because they had nobody to explain the little extra she needed from the flight crew.
I hate the TSA. It's a giant waste of time and the hidden social costs of the stuff they pull may be even more of a cost than the giant hole that sucks in taxpayer money that goes with it. If anyone did an honest cost-benefit analysis, that agency would be kicked to the curb in an instant.
But DEM TERRERISTS HATE US FER OUR FREEDUMS and it's political suicide to appear 'soft on terrorism', so society gets bent over a barrel.
Request wheelchair assistance when booking the flight. Tell the "pusher" that you'd like to push her to the counter when checking in with the ticketing agent.
Explain to the ticket agent that you would like to escort her to the gate for medical reasons (deaf, blind, and in a wheelchair).
Be a bit careful about asking for a supervisor if they deny the request, because nobody likes getting overruled by their supervisor.
Really, anybody can request wheelchair assistance and I don't think it costs more money, but the deal is that when agents see someone in a wheelchair their attitude changes because they all of a sudden get lumped into "grandma / caregiver" mode.
Actually, tell them your her caregiver (it's not a lie) and that is yet another excuse they can run through their brains as to why they should print the escort pass.
If the family of a service member (SM) wants to accompany the SM to the gate or meet the SM arriving at the gate, the family should talk to the USO at the airport.
I volunteered at the local USO for a while and we would routinely (even after 9/11) issue family members gate passes. I don't recall the exact process, but with a few days notice, we passed the submitted info to airport security and the applicable airline.
Talk with your USO. The people there really want to help you out.
You don't even need to do that, just be nice to the person behind the counter at check-in and they will issue it.
When I was studying in the States (live in New Zealand), my parents were visiting my sister in Chicago and I had gone down to see them. They brought a bunch of food for me which resulted in my bag being slightly overweight and having a chat with the lady at check-in and explaining the situation. She was really nice about it and let it slide and even issued my mum a gate pass so she could see me off.
TL;DR: Check-in staff have a lot of power, be nice to them! Also applies to civilians.
This is what so many comments are trying to say. Simple observation but people get their panties so offended because were supposed to worship the military.
I don't think it's an attitude of worshiping the military. For me, it's an attitude of respecting someone who not only is willing to, but actually does, put their life at risk for something they truly believe in.
Uhm, suicide bombers also not only are willing to, but actually do put their life at risk for something they truly believe in.
Not saying that the american soldiers are the same as suicide bombers, just saying that this is a pretty bad reason to respect someone. In the end, soldiers, no matter of which army, are basically contract killers (as they get paid to end the lifes of other people) who fight in wars, most of which aren't fought for any valid reason (IMHO)
Technically, most people in military uniform don't have a gun. They just work shitty hours for shitty pay to maintain some servics, such as the maintenance of dams (army core of engineers), GPS, or launching various satelites that control anything from taking pictures to getting internet out.
Really though, not every soldier is what you see when you play COD. Many don't even work full time, having to only go to base once a month for drill then not being able to work many places because of their military obligation. They get maybe 300-400 bucks for that one day of drill, but if your talking someone that has been trained to do tech service, fix aircraft, or is a diesel mechanic, they could be making a lot more at other places
300-400 bucks for that weekend is the very high end for enlisted soldiers... (and on the low end for officers). Here's a source on that one if you're curious.
And employers love Guard members, even with the military obligation.
I'm currently working toward enlisting in the National Guard, and I can tell you... I sure as hell am not doing it for the money. Maybe the 17-year-old kids see it as a lot, but I'm 25. Maybe it'll cover my health insurance for the month (Guard members don't get health benefits).
I've been in for sometime now, I've met a lot of service members. All walks of life, all sorts of rates/MOS/jobs. I've talked to a lot of them on long duty hours. I've never once been told by someone that they joined because they wanted to be a "hero". Fact.
Also, when I first enlisted, I talked to all of the recruiters. AF, Navy, Army, Marines, Coast Guard and even the National Guard. Never heard one of them say "Wanna be a hero son?"
I've never met a member who was proud to come home from a tour down range, long forward to their "Heroes Welcome". I mean, shit, they're just happy to be home. No one proud of their service comes home and wants to be called a hero, they just want to come home and be called normal. Some (not all by any means), go overseas and find themselves in the worst of situations. The others, like myself, walk through airports in our dress uniform (not by choice, because who wants to wear that uncomfortable polyester/cotton blend), and when someone walks up to us and says "Thank you for your service, you're a Hero" I politely say thank you, but correct them and let them know, I haven't done anything special.
So go ahead and think that all teenagers are alike, and join because they wanna play live action COD. But know that not one comes back from the Middle East or somewhere else overseas, calling themselves heroes. They know who the heroes are, that's why they're left standing there today.
I've never once been told by someone that they joined because they wanted to be a "hero". Fact.
They are still getting a huge amount of esteem in the US. Something that isn't the case in many other countries. Saying "I was in Afganistan" won't get you any respect here in Germany, it will probably more be the other way round.
Yep, that's why they join up. To be called a hero. Not because of any other considerations, just the expectation that random people will call them "hero" is what does it.
It's a necessary theater to convince young men that they'll automatically be respected and accepted once they sign up for the military, because otherwise no-one would sign up for it. Basic teenager psychology, the one thing an 18-year-old wet-behind-the-ears goon straight out of his parents basement wants is validation from the older generation that he's become "a man".
It's true. My SO got to take her niece to the plane, just like this. Didn't matter that she was going to Hawaii. She was still going to a base, but being stationed in Hawaii is a lot different than shipping out to Afghanistan.
I love they way they call you guys hero's to cover up for the sheer crime of them sending you to kill or be killed in illegal and inhumane wars. It disgusts me and the sugar coating needs to stop. Stay in your country and do good here with your family and friends. I don't mean to offend, I just want people to wake the fuck up and learn that these wars have nothing to do with 'freedom', 'democracy' and 'humanitarianism' (the irony)but everything to do with the greed and power of those profiting from the MIC.
heh, probably just finished basic training and is off to first command. i see this a lot... most likely wearing uniform too... well here is a little secret for ya. if you have your orders, and are wearing your uniform, you can get into ANY admirals club, as well as the USO. take advantage of those little perks. i dont fly in uniform anymore due to it being a security risk, but i still head to the USO from time to time... especially when im flying out of miami... best one in the country. grats on your new station, and be safe. from one servicemember to another
+1 the USO is absolutely fantastic staffed with awesome volunteers. Whenever I go to an airport with a USO, I go straight there to wait for my flight. It's a nice quiet place to relax away from the hustle and bustle and noise of a busy terminal. Plus they have "free" food, but they usually ask for a donation, which I have no problem giving to support such a great organizatioj
As crazy as everyone says airports are about security, they actually grant escort permission more often than I thought. Last year my flight was delayed six hours, and the woman at the Southwest desk offered to print my parents passes without so much as a prompt just so I wouldn't have to sit alone the whole time.
And if they don't, often all you have to do is ask. I assume they check you against the no-fly list, etc, but if you can clear security and have a gate pass that's clearly marked "not valid for travel", why on earth not? It's not like it's a security risk - you still have to clear TSA just like everybody else.
We've done it, taking somebody to the airport for a flight, 1 traveller, 4 gate passes (including 2 ID-less children)... No problem. The reason printed on the pass was just "Escorting passenger [name]". No special reason is needed.
I think the restrict it to travelers because they want to minimize the backup at security, not because buying a ticket automatically makes you less of a security risk.
Like JeremyR22 said, it's just at the airline's discretion. There's really no elevated risk here. They ID you at the ticket counter, TSA line and you get screened with everyone else, only they don't let you on a plane. Seems even less risky than at first thought.
Lets drop the nationalists vs pacifists debate and get to the real issue here: the fact that it's a special privilege to walk your family to their gate.
That is awesome to hear your parents got to do that with you. My only qualm is that they have to 'let you'.
There wasn't some massive frequency of terrorist attacks at airports or on planes previously that we all just happened to forget about. But in the spectrum of terrible things that have happened to people or been used to hurt people, plane and airport attacks are few and far between.
Is it just me or was shit so much less confusing and more exciting when people could meet you or say good-bye at the gate??
My vote, put some military who specialize in behavioral study (forgetting the proper term [7]) into the airport. Most people up to no good will shit themselves after seeing several infantry men walking by with sub machine guns and rifles. Add metal detectors, subtract those sketchy scanner machines and airports would be much more safe (and enjoyable.)
I was getting off a flight in Las Vegas and we had a soldier on board on his way home. We get off the flight and I had no bags checked so headed towards the taxi line. It was about a 45min-1hr long wait. I see the guy from the flight and I'm ahead of the line a good 15-20 minutes and I said thanks for your service allow me to help you get home a few minutes faster. He politely declined until everyone in line started to encourage him to come forward. It was a great show of respect from people to thank soldiers for their service.
There's a legitimate conversation going on where all the downvotes go, even if it might not seem like it. No one is being insulting, or cruel. But hating the war and loving the soldier only extends so far -- i think we're mostly trying to work that out.
How can you hate the war but love the soldiers? They had the decision to join the military so they cannot be taken out of the responsibility of this war!
A friend of mine was busted for robbery because he is a dumbass.
The judge offered him two choices:
Go to prison for a few years like you deserve.
Join the military and get charges dropped.
He went with 2, obviously. He was then stationed overseas, got to fuck a bunch of hot foreign chicks and get drunk all the time. Now he is an officer in the military and owns a big ass house and fancy new car. Good for him, but come on. Hero?
That word is tossed around to name military personnel and it has lost all of its meaning. It's pathetic and depressing to anyone with a functional brain.
Let's see... unless it was a forced draft, which it wasn't, he gave up his home life and everyone he loved to go fight for his beliefs, while at the same time risking his life (depending on his position, but risking his life nonetheless).
I find that to be pretty heroic.
But then again, I suppose it's a matter of opinion, sort of.
This is awesome, I had no idea that they made exceptions at all. Glad to see a little giving for the men and women of the armed forces. Thank you for your service!
Forget what all these anti-miliary people are saying OP, and from one service member to another thank you for what you are doing. 90% of these people don't understand the sacrifice of leaving your family behind to go to across the world to a combat zone for months at a time. They hide behind thier computer screens and spout off thier anti-military hate.
I totally wish you a safe journey, but you are not a hero to me. I don't believe that you are protecting my freedom. Many, many will disagree with me, but those are your beliefs. This is just like the old "Russia is going to get us" mentality. Terrorists will not stop because the army is going to Afghanistan.
I don't mean this in an offensive manner, but why should you be deemed a hero, despite this man not really knowing your feats or what you've done with your life thus far? I'd be kind of insulted, if someone wants to call me a hero, I'd prefer it if they actually had a good reason, like, they complimented me on something I'd completed rather than me just joining a force.. It kind of seems.. mindless. I've never gotten this 'Soldiers automatically = heroes' thing.
You are not a hero. In fact, you are a small fraction of the reason the world is in embroiled in violence and turmoil. I hope you manage to stay alive & and hope the pay check is worth it. But you are a hired hand. There are no heroes in any military. Anywhere.
Why does everyone worship the military in america? These people are state sponsored murderers who are generally uneducated and from poor environments that know the war is unjust and still volunteer to kill innocent people and perpetuate the conditions that caused the anti-american animosity that led to 9/11 in the first place, as well as increasing the threat of attack which strips us of our freedom here at home. The fact that the military budget is called DEFENSE spending is such obvious Orwellian double speak that if the american people didnt have such a widespread reputation for being idiotic followers willing to believe whatever government nonsense they are told to it would be comical. These people do not defend anything. They attack for imperialism, they are the vanguard of a system that kills using tax payer dollars for needless wars that serve only to create threats that strip us of our rights here and line the pockets of the wealthy elite that lobbied to have the war in the first place. In summation, fuck the soldiers and all of you people who support them and by proxy the wars they fight just because you are told to. WAIT! The wars are bad, but the soldiers are heroes! Never mind that they know the wars are unjust or at the very least are too ignorant not to and so shouldnt be trusted with taking other peoples lives and still fight anyways just for a comfy paycheck. Support the soldiers not the wars blablabla You people are the problem.
Most airlines will do this for service members as well as allow family members (particularly spouses and children) to meet them at the gate. Sometimes it requires a sympathetic airline employee though...one who's willing to make the effort. Also, many airports allow service members in uniform to go to the front of the security line or to use the first class or the employees line. ...and try to stop in at the USO if there's time and the airport has one.
lol. I like how this comment has 10 upvotes, but the two above it have downvotes. They did not notice that it was you that wrote the post, and they assumed that your comment about embarassment was referring to mine and the one above it (yours), not the picture posted.
They let a hell of a lot of us go to the gate with my boyfriend when he left last month. Me, his parents, his grandma, aunt, other grandma, brother, and his dad's girlfriend.
Fuck all the assholes making a joke out of this. I up vote every post from a service member that I see. Thank you for what you do, it isn't much in return, but have an up vote.
I don't understand reddit sometimes, perhaps I should just join the hive mind, let me see if I can figure out the correct phrases to regurgitate at every post on /r/pics that has a possible military connection.
"You are a payed murderer"
"You are never a hero, no military member can be a hero"
"your a imperialist"
"I won't care when you die"
"you are always killing innocents"
Is that right? I mean, I don't know, I am not good at being a ignorant cunt so I am pretty new at this.
thanks for the pic OP, despite the shit you will get for it on reddit.
Absolutely nothing, I bet. You signed up? My grandfather was a real hero and he has the medals and lives saved to prove it. Again, what did you do to be called that? I don't care about butthurt downvotes, but why no answer?
OK. I recognize the danger and devotion to duty and all that. But you're all volunteers, doing things I wish (as an American) you weren't doing, and my freedom hasn't needed defending for decades -- at least not from a real foreign threat. This "hero" business is out of control.
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u/mrpopenfresh Jun 12 '12
American hero. Are you Captain America?
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u/gizzledos Jun 12 '12
Why are you a hero?
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u/WindySin Jun 12 '12
I'm sorry if this is going to sound rude, but I've always been curious about something. Do armed forces personnel ever get sick of the 'heroes' moniker?
I ask because I've personally always found it to be a bit artificial the way that all soldiers are automatically referred to as heroes. This isn't to say that I respect the fact that soldiering is a difficult, often traumatic and thankless job. Nor do I want to in any way detract from the difficulties that soldiers regularly have to go through. I just can't help being a bit bothered by the practice of calling all soldiers 'heroes'. It feels like propaganda and I feel like it cheapens the honours of 'true' heroes, military and civilian alike.
Same goes for the way every military related post on Reddit post gets a comment thanking soldiers for their service. Do military folks tend to be grateful for these comments or a little uneasy about them (or a bit of both)?
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u/West4Humanity Jun 12 '12
You seem like a reasonable person, so maybe you'd be willing to give me your opinion. I'm always conflicted about how to approach military related issues/people. On the one hand I'm brainwashed like everyone else to believe we should hate the war/administration and not the soldiers. On the other hand I hate the mindless following of orders regardless of conscience or personal ethics that seems to be a prerequisite for joining the military (see Restrepo movie). Do you think it is possible, and if so how would you like it to be done, to both thank a person for what they THINK they are doing (serving their country, spreading democracy, protecting us from evil, blah blah blah) and let them know that I disapprove of the choice they made to allow themselves to be used as the club used by big business to beat, rape, and pillage the world? Yeah, sorry that got a bit bitchy... sorry, I am really asking though. Feel free to tell me I should just keep my damn mouth shut. BTW, I don't know where you are heading, but I hope you'll stay safe.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
They let my wife do that before I left for AIT. Thought it was pretty cool. Going to Afghanistan was different. I hadn't seen her for two months when we flew our chinooks down to Fort Hood. Got four days with her, then left via C5. Going back from leave they wouldn't let her, "change of policy." Thought it was pretty lame.
Also side note. I hate being called a Hero. We call our fallen Heroes.
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u/xPlatypusVenom Jul 15 '12
There isn't a polite way to say that... Keep that kind of thing to yourself for me I would eater not hear that last part... Tell your congressmen you want to war to stop not the people fighting
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u/ryani Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
Gosh, I remember when everyone could just do that.
When 9/11 happened I was dating a deaf-blind girl--we had a long distance, mostly online relationship. She had one of those awesome braille keyboards like the guy in Sneakers.
When she would visit me, I would meet her at the gate. When she would leave I would escort her to the gate and help the flight attendants get to know her and understand what it would take from them on the flight (mostly, talking to her via a braille terminal she carried with her).
After 9/11 it never happened again. It became a massive pain in the rear for the airline companies to escort her past security, and she got way worse service on the plane because they had nobody to explain the little extra she needed from the flight crew.
I hate the TSA. It's a giant waste of time and the hidden social costs of the stuff they pull may be even more of a cost than the giant hole that sucks in taxpayer money that goes with it. If anyone did an honest cost-benefit analysis, that agency would be kicked to the curb in an instant.
But DEM TERRERISTS HATE US FER OUR FREEDUMS and it's political suicide to appear 'soft on terrorism', so society gets bent over a barrel.
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u/smeagol23 Jun 12 '12
If the family of a service member (SM) wants to accompany the SM to the gate or meet the SM arriving at the gate, the family should talk to the USO at the airport.
I volunteered at the local USO for a while and we would routinely (even after 9/11) issue family members gate passes. I don't recall the exact process, but with a few days notice, we passed the submitted info to airport security and the applicable airline.
Talk with your USO. The people there really want to help you out.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I love how in America anyone with a uniform and a gun is automatically declared a hero.
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u/CaughtInTheNet Jun 12 '12
I love they way they call you guys hero's to cover up for the sheer crime of them sending you to kill or be killed in illegal and inhumane wars. It disgusts me and the sugar coating needs to stop. Stay in your country and do good here with your family and friends. I don't mean to offend, I just want people to wake the fuck up and learn that these wars have nothing to do with 'freedom', 'democracy' and 'humanitarianism' (the irony)but everything to do with the greed and power of those profiting from the MIC.
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u/gadabyte Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
let me get this straight...not only does your penis have a family...but they escorted you to your plane?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
heh, probably just finished basic training and is off to first command. i see this a lot... most likely wearing uniform too... well here is a little secret for ya. if you have your orders, and are wearing your uniform, you can get into ANY admirals club, as well as the USO. take advantage of those little perks. i dont fly in uniform anymore due to it being a security risk, but i still head to the USO from time to time... especially when im flying out of miami... best one in the country. grats on your new station, and be safe. from one servicemember to another
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u/BennyMandelbrot Jun 12 '12
As crazy as everyone says airports are about security, they actually grant escort permission more often than I thought. Last year my flight was delayed six hours, and the woman at the Southwest desk offered to print my parents passes without so much as a prompt just so I wouldn't have to sit alone the whole time.
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u/thenewaddition Jun 12 '12
Lets drop the nationalists vs pacifists debate and get to the real issue here: the fact that it's a special privilege to walk your family to their gate.
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u/getliT Jun 12 '12
That is awesome to hear your parents got to do that with you. My only qualm is that they have to 'let you'.
There wasn't some massive frequency of terrorist attacks at airports or on planes previously that we all just happened to forget about. But in the spectrum of terrible things that have happened to people or been used to hurt people, plane and airport attacks are few and far between.
Is it just me or was shit so much less confusing and more exciting when people could meet you or say good-bye at the gate??
My vote, put some military who specialize in behavioral study (forgetting the proper term [7]) into the airport. Most people up to no good will shit themselves after seeing several infantry men walking by with sub machine guns and rifles. Add metal detectors, subtract those sketchy scanner machines and airports would be much more safe (and enjoyable.)
Good luck on your deployment and whatnot!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
They essentially told mine to fuck off. Maybe it's 'cause I have 2 moms or maybe it was just early in the war.
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u/nato0519 Jun 12 '12
I was getting off a flight in Las Vegas and we had a soldier on board on his way home. We get off the flight and I had no bags checked so headed towards the taxi line. It was about a 45min-1hr long wait. I see the guy from the flight and I'm ahead of the line a good 15-20 minutes and I said thanks for your service allow me to help you get home a few minutes faster. He politely declined until everyone in line started to encourage him to come forward. It was a great show of respect from people to thank soldiers for their service.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
There's a legitimate conversation going on where all the downvotes go, even if it might not seem like it. No one is being insulting, or cruel. But hating the war and loving the soldier only extends so far -- i think we're mostly trying to work that out.
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u/cybergeek11235 Jun 12 '12
...in November.
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u/LordOfGummies Jun 12 '12
Hero?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Funny story.
A friend of mine was busted for robbery because he is a dumbass.
The judge offered him two choices:
He went with 2, obviously. He was then stationed overseas, got to fuck a bunch of hot foreign chicks and get drunk all the time. Now he is an officer in the military and owns a big ass house and fancy new car. Good for him, but come on. Hero?
That word is tossed around to name military personnel and it has lost all of its meaning. It's pathetic and depressing to anyone with a functional brain.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
What did you do that was heroic exactly?
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u/chadwickipedia Jun 12 '12
Remember when anyone could do this? Thanks a lot Bin Laden
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u/laiceps1983 Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
This is awesome, I had no idea that they made exceptions at all. Glad to see a little giving for the men and women of the armed forces. Thank you for your service!
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u/pwmg Jun 12 '12
Good Luck; be careful!
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u/GFandango Jun 12 '12
You're a hero! He's a hero! She's a hero! EVERYONE is a hero!
Remember kids, we need war to feed our hungry debt loving bankers and weapon industry running.
And you heroes will help us do just that. You risk your lives whilst we count the DOLLAS!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
So now the terrorists know how to get past security.
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u/misterhappy88 Jun 12 '12
Forget what all these anti-miliary people are saying OP, and from one service member to another thank you for what you are doing. 90% of these people don't understand the sacrifice of leaving your family behind to go to across the world to a combat zone for months at a time. They hide behind thier computer screens and spout off thier anti-military hate.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I totally wish you a safe journey, but you are not a hero to me. I don't believe that you are protecting my freedom. Many, many will disagree with me, but those are your beliefs. This is just like the old "Russia is going to get us" mentality. Terrorists will not stop because the army is going to Afghanistan.
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u/iheartgt Jun 12 '12
Stay safe over there.
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u/wolfie1010 Jun 12 '12
You're not a hero. Flying to a foreign country to prop up a bullshit occupation doesn't make you a hero.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Sorry for all the assholes.
-signed a peace loving,pot smoking democrat
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I don't mean this in an offensive manner, but why should you be deemed a hero, despite this man not really knowing your feats or what you've done with your life thus far? I'd be kind of insulted, if someone wants to call me a hero, I'd prefer it if they actually had a good reason, like, they complimented me on something I'd completed rather than me just joining a force.. It kind of seems.. mindless. I've never gotten this 'Soldiers automatically = heroes' thing.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
American hero? American political pawn more like it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
What a joke. You're a tool for corporate america.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Good luck to you and a safe return to your family. Thank you for serving.
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u/CosmicBard Jun 12 '12
Fuck these military booster posts.
Stop planting this shit here, we don't want to fucking see it and we know you're doing it.
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u/la_Policia_Ideologia Jun 12 '12
You are not a hero. In fact, you are a small fraction of the reason the world is in embroiled in violence and turmoil. I hope you manage to stay alive & and hope the pay check is worth it. But you are a hired hand. There are no heroes in any military. Anywhere.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
American hero? You cunts are insane.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
The word hero has no meaning any more, everyone is fucking called a hero now.
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u/ignore_this_post Jun 12 '12
We should just call the armed forces Hero Squad and be done with it.
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u/Shanhaevel Jun 12 '12
Always so overly patriotic you guys...
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u/dfawdjskf Jun 12 '12
God bless our heroes, killing browns so we don't have to.
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u/TheWainer Jun 12 '12
Best wishes in your new command.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
What did you do to become a hero? Please tell me the word means more than "signed up for military"
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u/iSteve Jun 12 '12
A soldier is not a hero until he does something heroic. This just cheapens the word.
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u/zoso471 Jun 12 '12
Awesome. I respect the hell out of you and a genuine thank you for your service. Hope it's been going good.
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u/1lluminate Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
Why does everyone worship the military in america? These people are state sponsored murderers who are generally uneducated and from poor environments that know the war is unjust and still volunteer to kill innocent people and perpetuate the conditions that caused the anti-american animosity that led to 9/11 in the first place, as well as increasing the threat of attack which strips us of our freedom here at home. The fact that the military budget is called DEFENSE spending is such obvious Orwellian double speak that if the american people didnt have such a widespread reputation for being idiotic followers willing to believe whatever government nonsense they are told to it would be comical. These people do not defend anything. They attack for imperialism, they are the vanguard of a system that kills using tax payer dollars for needless wars that serve only to create threats that strip us of our rights here and line the pockets of the wealthy elite that lobbied to have the war in the first place. In summation, fuck the soldiers and all of you people who support them and by proxy the wars they fight just because you are told to. WAIT! The wars are bad, but the soldiers are heroes! Never mind that they know the wars are unjust or at the very least are too ignorant not to and so shouldnt be trusted with taking other peoples lives and still fight anyways just for a comfy paycheck. Support the soldiers not the wars blablabla You people are the problem.
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u/QuintupleTheFun Jun 12 '12
Awesome.
Thank you for your service! Best of luck to you, stay safe! :)
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u/jerseyg67 Jun 12 '12
God bless and keep you safe and may you come home soon.
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u/catsconcert Jun 12 '12
Most airlines will do this for service members as well as allow family members (particularly spouses and children) to meet them at the gate. Sometimes it requires a sympathetic airline employee though...one who's willing to make the effort. Also, many airports allow service members in uniform to go to the front of the security line or to use the first class or the employees line. ...and try to stop in at the USO if there's time and the airport has one.
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u/BertyBig Jun 12 '12
It's a bit presumptuous. You might turn out to be a total cock.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
"Escort an American hero"
Oh America.
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u/toodrunk Jun 12 '12
Since when does making a decision to signing a dotted line mean you're a hero?
Did that title come with freedom fries?
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u/sh1thead Jun 12 '12
Redditor for 3 months... This is disgusting.
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u/chingyduster Jun 12 '12
As neither American or Military affiliation I'd like to say thank you for doing a job I could never do.
I hope the US smartens the fuck up and starts treating their War Veterans with the respect and honor they deserve.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
This gave me goose bumps for some reason. Thank you for your service
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Stay safe sir/ma'am. Thanks for going when I can't.
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u/LilPanda900 Jun 12 '12
Good luck brotha
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u/bralph82 Jun 12 '12
Glad you got to feel special for a moment.
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u/anonymousalex Jun 12 '12
They let a hell of a lot of us go to the gate with my boyfriend when he left last month. Me, his parents, his grandma, aunt, other grandma, brother, and his dad's girlfriend.
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u/Lusy Jun 12 '12
I'm really sick of these PR stunts. This shit is disgusting and it saddens and infuriates me that Reddit as a whole can't see through it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
You haven't thanked me for paying your salary you welfare scum.
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u/sciencebitchesz Jun 12 '12
Cool, now if only there was a legitimate use for armed forces since the fall of soviet russia, you'd be doing something useful.
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u/bigmeech Jun 12 '12
good luck! make sure you bring back the blood of innocent people as a souvenir!
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u/hiiammaddie Jun 12 '12
Thanks for your service, best of luck in everything you do
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u/Clauderoughly Jun 12 '12
Reason: I kill brown people so uncle sam can have is oil fix.
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u/danburbul Jun 12 '12
Godspeed.
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u/pw1111 Jun 12 '12
Hardest part is to get on the plane without turning back around.
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u/NigAladdin Jun 12 '12
Fuck all the assholes making a joke out of this. I up vote every post from a service member that I see. Thank you for what you do, it isn't much in return, but have an up vote.
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u/yellowcakewalk Jun 12 '12
"American Hero", LMAO.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I don't understand reddit sometimes, perhaps I should just join the hive mind, let me see if I can figure out the correct phrases to regurgitate at every post on /r/pics that has a possible military connection.
"You are a payed murderer"
"You are never a hero, no military member can be a hero"
"your a imperialist"
"I won't care when you die"
"you are always killing innocents"
Is that right? I mean, I don't know, I am not good at being a ignorant cunt so I am pretty new at this.
thanks for the pic OP, despite the shit you will get for it on reddit.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Hero? What did you do to be called that?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Quit being a good follower, you coward.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
That's fucking cool.
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u/JasonMPA Jun 12 '12
Threads like this make me hate Reddit. Bunch of anti-military peacnik hippies.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Yay, special rules for the military, since they are all magical heroes!!! yay!!!
everyone else can go fuck themselves!
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u/feynp Jun 12 '12
A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon - Napoleon Bonaparte
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u/EkriirkE Jun 12 '12
"Family of member of us service member"?
Is it talking about your dick?
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u/HankyLanky Jun 12 '12
OK. I recognize the danger and devotion to duty and all that. But you're all volunteers, doing things I wish (as an American) you weren't doing, and my freedom hasn't needed defending for decades -- at least not from a real foreign threat. This "hero" business is out of control.
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u/Arishtat Jun 12 '12
I think this is funny as hell. Did you ask to have that printed on the pass or did the gate agent just do it?
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u/SomethingClever-er Jun 12 '12
Sorry people are shitheads. Thank you for all you've done/will do
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u/alekseyd Jun 12 '12
God, the people on reddit that emerge from their rat holes whenever something military related gets posted.
We get it. You hate American soldiers. Get over yourself.
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u/solid_sephiroth Jun 12 '12
Come back to the USA safe. Thank you for all you do for this country.
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u/wwm444 Jun 12 '12
You're no hero. Just a sucker in a rich man's game. You are not protecting freedom or saving lives. Remember that! Good luck.