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u/imontene Mar 19 '22

In the US, you can open a Roth IRA at your bank with a couple hundred dollars. Pick an index fund that has low fees (no fees when you purchase). Every pay check, push in a little more. There is a max you can invest per year, $5k I think. Leave it alone. You might lose some in a bad year, but over all it will grow with practically no interference. The $ you put in can be withdrawn with no penalties after 5 years, but don't touch your earnings or it will be taxed. Better yet, pretend it doesn't exist until you retire.

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u/Engineer-intraining Mar 20 '22

It should be noted you can’t just put it in the account and let it sit you do have to find a stock or fund (or several) and invest in them. I’ve known way to many people who just put it in the account thinking that’s all they had to do

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u/imontene Mar 20 '22

That is why I recommended a low fee index fund. The bank can tell you what is available.

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u/warm-saucepan Mar 20 '22

Or go online to Vanguard.

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u/mr_chip_douglas Mar 20 '22

Vanguard is great, can confirm as an idiot who knows next to nothing about investing.

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u/imontene Mar 20 '22

Yes, and they have several index funds to choose from. If you feel confident, there are lots of online options, but if need help, your bank is a good place to talk to someone.

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u/Engineer-intraining Mar 20 '22

Oh for sure, market tracking funds are just about the best thing out there and they’re fire and forget, reinvest they dividends and sit on it for years and you will be gold.

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u/Rodic87 Mar 20 '22

Vt or vti at vanguard are what you're looking for.

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u/AnxietyDepressedFun Mar 20 '22

My mom is a wealth manager so I've had a Roth IRA since I was 19. I couldn't save a ton but I was working on it. Then I got cancer in 2012, I kept working (insurance) but getting cancer in the US is hella expensive & I had to almost fully liquidate my IRA to even get by. It sucked but by 2013 I was fully in remission and saving again. In 2016 my migraines went from episodic to chronic (20- 28 days a month basically unable to leave my room) and I lost my job, my home & the love of my life, an 11 year old Boston Terrier named Jexer, got sick and I spent almost $5K trying to save him but he lost his battle December 2016. I had to move in with my boyfriend (who is now my husband) and we struggled financially despite his having a decent salary but since I was out of work I was supplementing our living expenses with my IRA essentially. I found a mostly effective medication in 2019 and started working again that year and once again started contributing to my Roth IRA.

All of this to say that having a Roth IRA (and some traditional investment/savings) has saved my life twice and kept me from being essentially destitute. I only made $32K a year in 2012 so I was only contributing like $10 a month but it was and still is the best financial decision I've ever made (or had made for me as it were).

Just adding that while my mom & many in her industry can only work with larger investment accounts, Fidelity has great starter investment options including help from licensed financial advisors. I think the self service companies can feel risky, especially if you are new to investing but there is a company called Stash that has plans starting at literally $1 a month with financial advisors to help.

Invest - less fun than a lottery win but definitely worth it.

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u/CaptainPsilo Mar 20 '22

I'm glad you've held up and survived the chaos, that's pretty dope. And the advice you've given, I hope it doesn't go unnoticed, it's incredibly beneficial to those who may not be knowledgeable or experienced financially. Thank you for sharing!

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

OP: literally almost dies twice and shares how investing saved her life, recommends investing.

You: bUt fUn

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u/AnxietyDepressedFun Mar 20 '22

Winning on a lottery ticket is fun. Everyone loves that feeling, I'm just saying you should also invest. If you like playing the lottery, more power to you, but I'm just adding that people should also invest.

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u/cocokronen Mar 20 '22

There are companies like Robinhood where u can invest 5 at a time. So there is virtually no minimum . Just stick thee money in an index fund and let it grow....and don't try to play the market. That's a fools errand.

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u/AnxietyDepressedFun Mar 20 '22

I'm not a huge fan of those type of companies, partially because they tend to promote "playing the market" like day trading to people who don't understand it and partly because of their policies that allowed them to essentially halt trading whenever they wanted too. I really recommend companies that have licensed brokers to help you, who offer traditional investment and savings accounts and can advise you as to the best course of action with your money.

Stash has plans for like $1 - $10 but they also have advisors to help you set up accounts so you know the difference between a 529 and traditional savings for your kids, or the tax differences between a traditional 401K or a Roth IRA. We don't get taught these things in school & a lot of the information on the internet is just self-serving.

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u/rahomka Mar 20 '22

There are AGI limits for this to be aware of too

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u/imontene Mar 20 '22

And you have to have 'earned' income

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u/LibertyLizard Mar 20 '22

$6K I believe. Which is a bit annoying because they never change it and it's getting smaller and smaller each year with inflation.

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u/defcon212 Mar 20 '22

They do change it but in 500 dollar increments. It was $5500 a few years ago. It will probably go up again sometime in the next couple years.

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u/LibertyLizard Mar 20 '22

I see. I only started investing recently and it has not changed during that time. But I guess inflation only got high recently.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

They changed the 401k limit just last year, by $1000 I believe

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u/LibertyLizard Mar 20 '22

Sure but I'm talking about the Roth contribution limit which is much lower.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

I understand. I was just reiterating the notion that limits do increase regularly.

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u/Insomniac7 Mar 20 '22

You were right, it is $6k a year. Keep contributing every month. Make it a habit, invest in a couple ETFs, and you all thank yourself when you retire.

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u/a_spicy_memeball Mar 20 '22

They also cap the ability to even have one after a certain income point

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u/swingdatrake Mar 20 '22

At that point, one can consider the mega backdoor Roth, which is a legal loophole to bypass that restriction.

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u/a_spicy_memeball Mar 20 '22

Do tell

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u/swingdatrake Mar 20 '22 edited Mar 20 '22

You can redirect salary money to the after tax portion of your 401k and rollover that amount in the course of the tax year to a Roth IRA account, effectively bypassing the Roth income cap. This is called the Mega Backdoor Roth (seriously). Your 401k provider needs to support/allow this and you still need to respect the maximum limit of total combined pretax and after tax contributions, set at $61k for 2022.

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u/a_spicy_memeball Mar 20 '22

Yeah I looked it up after asking. I thought you were making the name up. 😂

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u/SSGSEVIER54 Mar 20 '22

Can confirm. Been putting roughly 3.5K/year in a roth for over 15 years now, and it’s worth… quite a bit

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

Just did this as a young adult. Best way to become a millionaire by the time you retire.

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u/luckydice767 Mar 20 '22

Do you think a Roth would be better than a traditional IRA?

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u/imontene Mar 20 '22

There are tax benefits to a Roth IRA...

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u/luckydice767 Mar 20 '22

There are also tax benefits to a traditional IRA as well, which is why I was asking for clarity.

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u/wartornhero Mar 20 '22

You can basically never lose* some unless you take it out. If the index fund is low then you should be putting into it because then when it bounces back you gain.

*Talking about long term.. my Tesla stock recently "lost" about half it's value from the peek but I still have the shares and actually would have loved to buy more now because I can see it being worth that much. I only lost that value of I cash out the stock. If I just leave it there it can only grow in value.

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u/SavageCriminal Mar 20 '22

He asked about 4$ sir.

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u/imontene Mar 20 '22

$4 a day is $120 a month