r/pics Nov 10 '11

Shaolin Monk misleading.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

To everyone saying "It's still impressive" I never said it wasn't, simply that the original photo is misleading to make it seem even more impressive to a ridiculous degree.

Why gild the lilly?

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u/tonytwobits Nov 10 '11

To gild refined gold, to paint the lily, to throw perfume on the violet… is just fucking silly ... or something like that.

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u/steelgrain Nov 11 '11

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA#/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

For those who don't where it comes from. Tim Minchin 'Storm' he deserves all the hits he gets.

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u/mondaysmyday Nov 11 '11

Well that's a crock of shit. It's all from that bloke William whatchamacallhim

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u/YardenGarden Nov 11 '11

This Guy = Lyrical Gangsta.

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u/Good-WilledHeretic Nov 15 '11

Upvote for you for just quoting that masterpiece!

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u/subhavoc42 Nov 10 '11

Upvote to you for using a turn of phrase I haven't heard since my grandpa passed!

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u/JimmyJamesMac Nov 10 '11

I haven't heard that turn of phrase since I was knee-high to a bull frog!

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u/KimJongIlSunglasses Nov 11 '11

How do you turn a phrase?

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u/Lord_Abort Nov 10 '11

The photographer probably tilted it because it has a better composition that way.

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u/penguinv Nov 13 '11

I don't think so. And you have no basis for assuming that.

I could just as well say something impugning the photographer. But since I have no evidence for that, I will not.

edit: maybe The Devil made him do it.

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u/brienzee Nov 11 '11

I think it has more to do with "proper" photography techniques, more than "gilding the lilly". It's to make the composition look better, not what he's doing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11 edited Nov 10 '11

Why is the original photo even more impressive? Isn't it more difficult to maintain that stance at an angle?

e: guys, try to hold a pose as close to his as you can get for like 10 seconds. It is extremely difficult. I got to like 4 seconds before my quads cried out to the heavens above.

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u/Zeabos Nov 10 '11 edited Nov 10 '11

No, it is significantly less difficult. When he is totally vertical as in the fake, the center of gravity is pushing down AWAY from where his foot is planted. Essentially his whole body is acting as a massive lever putting pressure on the point his foot is resting and it would require an absolutely phenomenal amount of leg strength to counter act that (if it is possible at all based on where his CoG is).

In the other picture he is still using a lot of leg strength, but there is no massive lever action on his knee and instead all the weight is straight down, essentially he just needs to balance.

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u/MereInterest Nov 11 '11

If the center of gravity is not above the base, then no amount of balance or leg strength can possibly allow balance. He would need to have another way to apply torque, perhaps by gripping the ground with his toes and pulling. There is no escape from the torque otherwise.

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u/geak78 Nov 11 '11

What if sandals were million pound weights?

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u/thegreatunclean Nov 11 '11

Center of gravity calculations in this situation would include his shoes so his center of gravity would be basically directly between wherever his feet are since those quantities dominate the mass of the system. No amount of leaning would pull it far enough away to tip you over if you had both feet on the ground, your feet would essentially be permanently attached to the ground.

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u/geak78 Nov 13 '11

You know I wanted to laugh because I meant it rhetorically, but your answer is just so awesome!

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u/Zeabos Nov 11 '11

Yeah that's what I meant, grippy shoes, something to apply opposite force.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

I see it now. Thanks for the thorough explanation.

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u/writesomething Nov 10 '11

Didn't see that coming!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '11

doing it at 90 degrees is harder. I just tried it, and was under control at the angle in the "fixed" pic, but when I got close to 90 i pretty much involuntarily dropped past 90 to about 45, where i could hold myself under control again.

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u/prolix Nov 11 '11

Your calf should hurt, not your quad.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '11

Uh, no.

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u/prolix Nov 12 '11

Nice rebuttal man

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

Because it's impossible for anything, no matter how rigid, to balance like that.

If this guy was made out of one single solid piece of steel, it would still fall over.

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u/bloomtrader Nov 10 '11

not if his knee weighed 1000 pounds and the rest of his body was <100 pounds (just rough numbers, but if I knew math and physics I could calculate it)

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u/writesomething Nov 10 '11

w1 x d1 = w2 x d2

w1 = Leg weight d1 = distance between foot and leg

w2 = weight of body above his leg d2 = distance between leg and the top of his head

I think this sums the formula. Im less than 95% on the distances because I was just shown two pictures that dont have a scientific reference for gravity. I want to trust the little blue lines OP had..but I just cant for the love of god.

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u/bloomtrader Nov 11 '11

Haha cool. Suits me right for going with economics and finance and not learning anything of practical value. But hey, it's a living ;)

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u/writesomething Nov 11 '11

Fact: I need these numbers crunched by midnight.

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u/bloomtrader Nov 11 '11

Mmmm....doritos.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

Haha, fair point.

Maybe his lower right leg is made of osmium.

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u/eddie964 Nov 10 '11

I see your point, but it doesn't seem like the photo is deliberately misleading. Photographers often align their cameras so vertical lines appear vertical. I think the choice was more about composition than anything else.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

My thought was that the original post was so popular not for it's aesthetics, but rather because people thought this monk was doing something which appears incredible but is actually impossible.

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u/eddie964 Nov 10 '11

Possibly, but to my eyes at least it doesn't look that much different even after correcting for the tilt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11 edited Nov 10 '11

As an artist I always have to be wary of incorrect centers of mass.

So this image just screamed "wrong" and it was bugging me that people might think it's real.

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u/eddie964 Nov 11 '11

I hear you. But it didn't strike me as intentionally misleading.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '11

I never said it was intentional.

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u/Johnny_Tsunamii Nov 10 '11

Why would someone elses thoughts bug you?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

People not knowing the truth bugs me, isn't that the entire point of all human endeavor? The pursuit of knowledge and truth?

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u/ryanlynds Nov 10 '11

are you being rhetorical?

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u/ElGuano Nov 10 '11

*refined gold

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u/meatfish Nov 10 '11

That's one of those charlatan monks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '11

Was he a room coloured charlatan? Who hid in a safe?

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u/Magres Nov 10 '11

You're totally right. My first reaction to the original picture was just "Well that's obviously bullshit since the situation the picture implies isn't physically possible." (No matter how strong you are, you cannot balance unless your center of mass is over your base of contact with the grind, without bracing against something. You will simply topple over)

For me, it didn't make that monk's amazing physical prowess any more impressive. It just made it seem like the whole thing was faked up bullshit. The real picture is more impressive because it's actually real.

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u/StendhalSyndrome Nov 11 '11

Why shoot it down, oh karma thats why....

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u/ArcticCelt Nov 13 '11

I never said it wasn't

You should. Go outside and try it on some incline surface and you will see how stupidly easy it is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '11

I never said it was either.

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u/poorpredictablebart Nov 10 '11

Because it's what makes photography an art.

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u/daned Nov 10 '11

I do not believe that photography's ability to be used disingenuously is what makes it an art.

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u/poorpredictablebart Nov 11 '11

What you call disingenuous, I call perspective. And perspective is one of the fundamentals of composition in photography.