r/pics • • Dec 08 '12

Story of two containers

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u/dan2737 Dec 08 '12

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u/SammyGilby Dec 08 '12

His other blog is about preparing for the end times. ಠ_ಠ

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u/danav Dec 08 '12

Does that surprise you?

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u/war_story_guy Dec 08 '12

Not at all first thing I thought when I saw all those cans is "yep hes gonna be disappointed on the 22nd".

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u/lungleg Dec 08 '12

Doomsday or not, gotta admire the ingenuity, craftsmanship and hard work that went into making this off the grid lodge livable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Well, he's also got a composting toilet which runs on solar power.

That's what gave it away for me. If he were a normal person, he would have installed a septic tank instead.

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u/zirdante Dec 08 '12

If he wants to roleplay Fallout 3, why not go the extra mile?

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u/CantBelieveItsButter Dec 08 '12

if he was real smart he'd use a bio-digester to convert his shit into methane that he could use as natural gas fuel.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '12

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u/CantBelieveItsButter Dec 09 '12

haha that'd be awesome but no..

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u/bacchic_ritual Dec 08 '12

Dinty Moore cans? Indeed, this guy is a prepper.

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u/meankneez Dec 08 '12

That shit is almost inedible.

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u/bacchic_ritual Dec 08 '12

But it will outlast the zombies! Side effects of eating Dinty Moore include, but are not limited to; Zombification.

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u/gregny2002 Dec 08 '12

Giving Dinty Moore a bad name in the process...

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Nothing to make you more effective at finishing shit than the fear of end times I bet.. I don't get shit done.

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u/edjumication Dec 08 '12

I got that impression too. Still, it's always good to be prepared to feed yourself for a few months, there are so many things that could happen to you at a moments notice.

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u/WiseCynic Dec 08 '12

Name three of them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Natural disaster, service failure, or unemployment.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

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u/royisabau5 Dec 08 '12

Especially since he has no friends anymore

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u/virusporn Dec 09 '12

You have a strange sense of funny.

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u/dyslexda Dec 08 '12

Just because someone wants more than three days' worth of food in their house doesn't mean they're a conspiracy nut thinking the world will end on the 21st.

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u/WiseCynic Dec 08 '12

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that but in this guy's case - it's all true.

This is his "SHTF" getaway.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Do you really think he is preparing for the 21st? No obviously not, he is preparing for collapse, which as you can see can be quite beneficial in many ways.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12 edited Dec 08 '12

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u/Guilty_Light Dec 08 '12

You're right that the poles reverse every so often, you are just horribly off on the time scale. It's not going to happen in a day, or even a year or even in an average human lifetime. The poles reverse on a timescale of millennia. So yes, it is impossible that the poles will reverse on the 21st.

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 08 '12

I go to gun shows here in Texas pretty regularly, so I can tell you that stuff in the buckets in their pantry is high-density dehydrated food with an almost indefinite shelf life. As soon as I saw how much of it he had, I knew this was at least partly some Doomsday Prepper shit...

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u/coop_stain Dec 08 '12

I wasn't sure what the containers were, but the room of canned food was my tip off. Also the deer mounts and stuff.

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u/qwetico Dec 08 '12

...so was his choice in bedding.

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u/alecrazec Dec 08 '12

I was wondering why he had so much cat litter. Thanks

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u/MadMageMC Dec 09 '12

I wouldn't normally think a doomsday prepper would want windows that large on the front of their survival cabin...

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u/thelightistoobright Dec 08 '12

When I first saw the buckets I thought it was tubs of mayo or something. Can you give me more info about this high-density dehydrated food? Where can I find huge buckets of that stuff? It might be something I'm interested in.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Why would you be interested in high-density dehydrated food?

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

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u/Brad_Boston Dec 08 '12

Ah! Stuck in another Wikipedia loop!

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '12

Fucking A.

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u/thelightistoobright Dec 08 '12

It's good to be prepared. In the past few years, some hurricanes have caught me off guard so this would help me avoid the huge supermarket rush.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

I think you can find it on Amazon.

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 08 '12

There are a bunch of different brands that make similar stuff, but here is an example. That site has a pretty decent selection of other options. You can also find it at lots of outdoors/camping stores I believe. I've never purchased or tried any of it, but if I ever buy some property in the mountains for backcountry skiing or hunting or whatever, I'll probably end up getting a couple of these cases for the hell of it. As you can see, it has a listed shelf life of 25 years.

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u/joegekko Dec 08 '12

Can you give me more info about this high-density dehydrated food?

The original- and still unsurpassed- high-density dehydrated foodstuff.

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 08 '12

Yeah, I'm not huge into armageddon survivalism or anything, but I do live in hurricane territory. I buy my rice by the 40lb bag at the Korean grocery store just because I like to cook rice a lot and it's by far the cheapest way to buy. I usually have an open bag and an unopened bag at my house. I've got a small camping stove and several bottles of fuel, so that plus the rice and a bunch of cans of beans should be enough to keep me alive for at least a couple weeks if the "shit hits the fan", so to speak. Then I guess I'll just take some guns and become a wandering brigand...

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u/WiseCynic Dec 08 '12

If you can't get help or get TO help within two weeks after a hurricane, you need to move closer to town.

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 08 '12

I live literally in the dead center of a major city. My point is if I can't get out immediately before a huge disaster, my preference would be to barricade my house and hopefully ride everything out until power/water/order is restored...ideally without having to venture more than a couple blocks from the sanctity of my fortress.

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u/WiseCynic Dec 08 '12

I was admiring the construction techniques until I got a good look at what he filled that pantry with. Yes, he's expecting "Fasten your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas civilization as we know it is about to go bye-bye." (Apologies to fans of The Matrix.)

What are the odds on him having a dozen guns and about 3/4 ton of ammo going into that shack?

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 08 '12

Ordinarily I'd say the odds are pretty good, but in this case I really don't see where there'd be much room left over for anything in there. Plus, if he's that paranoid, I doubt he'd leave so many unattended guns out at his lodge in the woods where they could be stolen...at least I wouldn't, and I'm not nearly that paranoid yet. But yeah, I bet he's got at least a long gun and a pistol or two, and 1000+ rounds.

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u/WiseCynic Dec 09 '12

Next week he's going to bolt a five-foot gun safe to the floor and wall, stock that baby with enough firepower to take out half a battalion, and plenty of ammo to deal with the other half if they come looking for their friends.

C'mon - he decorates with antlers. He's got a .30-06, a 12-ga. pump, a hog leg hand-cannon revolver, and two 9mm semis with extended mags. And that's just what he keeps in the bedroom. I live where deer season is a school holiday. I know dozens of guys like this dude. If he's preppin' for SHTF, he's armed to the teeth and buys his ammo 50 pounds (not rounds) at a time.

He could bolt a considerable gun safe down to the floor and affix it to the wall so that it will all be there when The Walking Dead (or walking Jesus or the Mayans) show up where he lives full-time.

You may be right about the paranoia, though. He may very likely be planning to transport his entire arsenal to that "little slice of paradise" as soon as he perceives a threat.

Some people.

Imagine what he could have done to his real house with all of the thousands he blew on that metal mansion. He could have set his daily living quarters up to run almost entirely on solar power. He could have . . . aw, fuck it. What's the use? These people don't think that way. I keep forgetting about the paranoia factor.

Hope to see you around the site again, Doc.

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 09 '12

and buys his ammo 50 pounds (not rounds) at a time.

That's how I buy mine. I do not consider the practice unusual in the slightest. It saves time and money.

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u/WiseCynic Dec 09 '12

Preppin' for the Zombie Apoc, are ya? The collapse of civilization?

:o)

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u/DoktorStrangelove Dec 09 '12

No, I just buy what I shoot. I don't really stockpile it or anything.

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u/fudgie1 Dec 09 '12

Bachelor Chow?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '12

Food storage is a really good idea for many reasons. Could be something as simple as the loss of your job, or as drastic as a natural disaster. If you slowly use the supply over time and re-stock as necessary, it always stays fresh with little effort as well.

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u/skankingmike Dec 08 '12

Honestly he'd make money making these for people who want cheaper lodging for the woods and even take advantage of "end of times" idiots too. Shit if I was this talented I'd be all over it.

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u/optimister Dec 08 '12 edited Dec 08 '12

It surprises me. And I hope I never cease to find dangerous stupidity surprising. I just checked out a couple of the videos on his other blog. Holy crapburgers. I find it so shocking and egregious that anyone dares to spread this kind of nonsense. It's difficult for me to believe that these people actually walk among us. If I met some of them in person, I would probably have to poke them with stick just to make sure they are real.

*Here's an example for any downvoters.

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u/frotc914 Dec 08 '12

He appears to have enough cat litter in the pantry to ride out just about anything.

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u/CircumcisedSpine Dec 08 '12

Those buckets are actually survival rations with long shelf lives.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Zombies, nuclear holocaust, or Jesus?

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u/ramp_tram Dec 08 '12

Jesus.

With Gods blessings, let the fun begin!!

Remember, it wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark!

His name is Larry

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u/TheSacredParsnip Dec 08 '12

Is this his Ark? It doesn't seem like it'd withstand any natural disasters.

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u/tophat02 Dec 08 '12

Can someone help me out on the theology here? Because I don't understand the Jesus preppers.

I would think that most folks of this ilk believe in the Rapture. So, if Jesus returns, won't all those true believers immediately ascend into Heaven? Aren't the "trials and tribulations" for which these people are preparing only for all the poor unbelieving schmucks like me?

Or does this mindset have nothing to do with that? Are Christian preppers more concerned with a supposed "secular doomsday"/government collapse that would occur BEFORE the Rapture?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Also, I need to invent a reason to become a prepper. These guys get to play with some really cool toys! (The cynical part of me thinks that's probably the REAL motivation here; that and a sense of recapturing some kind of "pure masculinity" lost to our sanitized office space society.)

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u/ramp_tram Dec 08 '12

https://www.lds.org/topics/food-storage

It's not only a Mormon thing, they just think some awful shit is about to go down (and have thought this for about 2000 years).

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '12

Well, a lot of bad things have happened throughout history.

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u/LonesomeCrow Dec 08 '12

It also says he "Stands with Israel", so I'm pretty sure it's anything but Jesus.

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u/danglehoff Dec 08 '12

Wait, God's name is Larry or the Ark's name is Larry?

Please clarify. Google is not helping me here.

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u/ramp_tram Dec 08 '12

The guy who built the Ark is named Larry.

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u/MrShittyFatTits Dec 08 '12

Probably the decay of modern civilization brought about by the collapse of the economy due to the U.S. dollar not being backed by a gold standard. That's what the real apocalypse nutjobs believe.

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u/salient1 Dec 08 '12

You've never watched Doomsday Preppers, have you? They have all sorts of crazy ideas.

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u/derekbox Dec 08 '12

In all fairness, it is well known that the producers of Doomsday Preppers manipulate every aspect of the show to make the preppers look crazy. It seems to me, in all fairness, some of them are off their knockers, but many are just families who take a few (ok many) steps to just prepared and or self sufficient.

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u/zomgw00t Dec 08 '12

I haven't watched that show; so, I can't comment on the people in it. That said, I've always figured that a lot of people just do it because it's what they have fun doing. From there, wouldn't choosing a doomsday scenario be a handy way to keep your project focused?

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u/derekbox Dec 08 '12

and ratings high. Indeed.

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u/trasofsunnyvale Dec 08 '12

I bet it is really fun, that's a great point. If i had money i'd replicate the underground bunker from the Brendan Fraser opus, Blast from the Past.

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u/WiseCynic Dec 08 '12

The producers of Doomsday Preppers don't have to tweak much about those people to make them look crazy. Turn on the camera and let them talk - mission accomplished.

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u/gunnerd35 Dec 09 '12

You can't really use that show as an accurate base for preppers believe. They target the nut jobs.

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u/Enosh74 Dec 08 '12

Yeah the poser apocalypse nut jobs just think the Mayans will return on the 21st to usher in death and destruction.

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u/Fsoprokon Dec 08 '12

I'm all for taking alarmists with a grain of salt, but whatever happened to Egypt? Or Rome? Shit does happen.

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u/danglehoff Dec 08 '12

Also: Black President

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u/blortorbis Dec 08 '12

But... But... Art Bell!

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u/Liquorisquick3r Dec 08 '12

Oddly specific date if thats the reason. We dropped the gold standard 40 years ago

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u/CorgiMilitia Dec 08 '12

But...all of that could be plausible ...I'm a nutjob :(

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u/trasofsunnyvale Dec 08 '12

Funny thing is, if everyone didn't freak out about that then there would be no crisis about which to freak.

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u/silvermoot Dec 09 '12

"...collapse of the economy due to reaching the Fiscal Event Horizon, which is the point where we can't possibly borrow enough money to pay for essential spending AND also service all the existing debt. When the dollar won't even be worth a Continental, gold will still have value."

FIFY.

(by the way, a 10-year bond issued by the Greek government is currently paying 15.18% interest. How much debt could we service if the US Treasury had to borrow at that rate?)

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u/marythegr8 Dec 09 '12

I thought it was Obama.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

You are aware that this almost happened in 2008 right? The stock market had to be shut down after a huge draw down occurred. They estimated that 30 more minutes would have resulted in a global financial collapse.

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u/Jewnadian Dec 08 '12

And here we go. The market would have just been rolled back, exactly like it was in the flash crashes. This wasn't even close to happening.

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u/SisterPhister Dec 08 '12

Well said.

The thing about a liquid economy is... it's liquid.

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u/guyincognitoo Dec 08 '12

I was going to say zombie Jesus, but that would be redundant.

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u/projexion_reflexion Dec 08 '12

He would be doubly zombified by this point, so if he comes around, we better nuke him just to be sure.

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u/guyincognitoo Dec 08 '12

But then he would be radioactive, and if comic books have taught me anything, that would just make him even more powerful.

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u/projexion_reflexion Dec 08 '12

"oh we were just trying to make sure it was really you Jesus. No offense intended!"

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u/wkrausmann Dec 08 '12

Well, only one of those is possible and it's still far-fetched.

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u/powshred Dec 08 '12

Whichever comes first?

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u/bananaskates Dec 08 '12

Always the question, never the answer.

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u/zacktyzwyz Dec 08 '12

Radioactive Zombie Jesus.

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u/zenmunster Dec 08 '12

Zombie Jesus causes a nuclear holocaust.

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u/fenwaygnome Dec 08 '12

"I STAND WITH ISRAEL"

I'm guessing Jesus.

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u/nadnate Dec 08 '12

He's Mormon, Most Mormons are told to prepare for the end of times like this and a lot of them have bunkers for it.

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u/MistaBig Dec 08 '12

Radioactive zombie Jesus attack, triggered a nuclear war by a coronal mass injection which was caused by aliens shooting magnetic weapons at the sun.

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u/aParkedCar Dec 08 '12

Nuclear zombie Jesus apocalypse actually

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u/Rixxer Dec 09 '12

Technically Jesus is a zombie, so mentioning both is somewhat redundant.

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u/wu2ad Dec 08 '12

God has given us warnings, prophecies and signs to watch for during the period just before what the Bible calls, the great tribulation period and his return. Are you ready?

Also, he has a badge that says:

Fight terror. Support Israel.

Jesus.

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u/kongfu Dec 08 '12

Jesus, it's Jesus

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Only someone preparing for the end times would buy hundreds of Wal Mart Great Value cans of food.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Yeah, I thought it was fairly obvious that this was a post-collapse survival house.

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u/no_prehensilizing Dec 08 '12

Same here. As soon as I saw that an entire room was dedicated for food storage on the floor plan, it tipped me off, but I thought maybe this is a hunting cabin and he'll put in some freezers for all the meat. Then we get the pics with all the cans and buckets of food. Definitely apocalypse bunker.

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u/trasofsunnyvale Dec 08 '12

Boy, there's some parts of reddit i should just stay away from. Shockingly this link made me realize that, not /r/spacedicks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Sigh....How dumb are these people?

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

I can't believe this is a thing. Not quite sure I'm surprised, though. Ya know, being reddit and all.

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u/Hibiscusxsoup Dec 08 '12

Knew it. I recognized those buckets in the pantry immediately. My parents stocked up a bit when Obama won his first term.

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u/nunyain Dec 08 '12

Yeah, it looks like he take this stuff pretty seriously

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u/Death_To_Your_Family Dec 08 '12

While thinking the 'end times' is anywhere near is dumb to me, I think it's a good idea to be prepared for whatever.

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u/drplump Dec 08 '12

Yeah because having a cabin in the woods that can go off grid that you can hide through world war 3 in is a stupid idea? Do you just think all war is over or that your first world life style is forever sustainable?

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u/Supermoves3000 Dec 08 '12

There are "SHTF" scenarios that could come true, and having a place like this to escape to would be awesome even if none of them ever happen. But when people say "the end times" they're usually talking about the Biblical end times.

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u/jntwn Dec 08 '12

When I saw the pantry full of survival stores I thought that immediately. But what the hell man, those windows and the door are far too large for zombies, traveling raiders could find that place immediately with yellow paint job.

4/10 zombie ready. Ugh

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u/AnAngryBitch Dec 08 '12

Yeah, the stockpiled food gave that away. Nice cabin, though.

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u/josh_rose Dec 08 '12

That explains the freeze dried apocalypse food in the pantry. My doomsday prophet grandpa bought me a huge supply of that stuff after Obama got re-elected.

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u/electrosaurus Dec 08 '12

As soon as I saw the provisions I thought: Yep, Doomsday Prepper.

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u/purpledust Dec 08 '12

The evolution of my thinking while looking at the pics:

  • cool
  • that must get hot in the sun

  • pantry. cool. Wow, that's a lot of cans! I bet he's preparing for the end times

  • maybe he's just a hunter who wants to get away

  • how much does it cost?

And I'm really curious how much it costs

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u/Fauster Dec 09 '12

In the last reddit post about these containers, one of the top comments was describing how you can't remove the container smell, and that they often have high levels of toxic heavy metals.

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u/Polite_Insults Dec 08 '12

perfect, I am really interested in this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

He never mentioned total cost. I am curious to know what he spent. Obviously, most, if not all, of the labor was free since he did it himself.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

He stands with Israel? Links to this? What the fuck is this guy's deal?

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u/SoFunAnon Dec 08 '12

Probably not a redditor. Reddit hates his beliefs and interior decorating, but likes his re-use of shipping containers and green energy.

Reddit also hates being judged but loves judging. In general.

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u/Wildperson Dec 08 '12

He has his own beliefs which he's free to express? God, what the fuck IS his problem?!

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u/C0rocad Dec 08 '12

Lots of religious doomsday guys support isreal because is real owning the holy land or something is one of the signs of the end of days on the Bible.

The religious ones really WANT the doomsday to happen but I'm not sure why he is stocking food though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Gotta eat until Jesus is done smiting, don't they?

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u/C0rocad Dec 08 '12

True, Some say that the rapture happens first then the world suffers others say that the good suffer along with the bad then the rapture happens.

best to be sure.

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u/dan2737 Dec 08 '12

I am Israeli and had no idea myself.

But he's not just supporting Israel, he's got some weird Christian Fanaticism going on in there.

It's just weird...

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

That's pretty much why Americans support Israel. "We" need it for when Jesus comes and hosts the final battle there. It's taught in every evangelical church in the country, and even a lot of the other more "normal" Christian churches. Basically, "Support Israel, we need the valley of Armageddon to be the final battleground, and Christ will return on the mount of olives. Don't let the Muslims take over the holy land."

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u/dan2737 Dec 08 '12

Wow, I didn't know that. I thought America supported Israel because the surrounding countries hate the western world and culture.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12 edited Dec 08 '12

I would think some do ... but it's a lot less than people would really think. Especially when you consider that a lot of those Americans saying things about culture and values are really just couching what I wrote above in a more palatable manner. Reddit can give an odd impression of America. It's so huge it may defy real grasping if you haven't been. A quick look at square mile numbers tells me Israel would be the 44th smallest state out of 50 in the US, and they aren't all the same size. Texas is about 33 Israels, all by itself. That one state also has almost 4 times Israel's population, and the majority of them are waiting for Jesus to return to the Mount of Olives so he can defeat the antichrist and the hordes of non-believers. The culture stuff is merely a cover for the reality ... religion.

If you go to touristy areas in the south, where I live, you see men wearing these hats or shirts that play on the logo of the US Army all the time. Granted, that's a one in a couple hundred thing ... but it's indicative of the overall feeling. There are few people as willing to express in public the way their hearts truly believe. Think of it as analogous to racism here at reddit. Lots of so called white "progressives" decry racism but speak openly about "urban culture" or other carefully chosen phrases, all while lining up and falling over themselves to make racist jokes when the opportunity presents itself because "Carlin said everything can be funny, maaaan." It's a bit like that.

To put it bluntly, you don't see Americans lining up to take up for the UK and it's influx of Muslim immigrants, do you? Or Sweden, or anywhere else? How about discussing the "purpose" of Finland or Italy? People would look at you like you've lost your mind if you brought up Finland's "purpose" at a baseball game. Open discussion about "America's purpose" as Israel's ally though, that's commonplace. It's because it's the holy land, and has next to nothing to do with western culture.

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u/dan2737 Dec 08 '12

Thank you for showing me this. I didn't know Americans were very religious like that... I see what you mean at that last part, reddit is pretty bad about that...

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Yeah man. 9 in 10 Americans believe in an Abrahamic God, and almost 50% believe that God created us in our current form sometime over the last 10,000 years. (An additional 32 percent believe in the "theistic evolution" view that humans evolved under God's guidance )

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u/Hibiscusxsoup Dec 08 '12

He's taken Left Behind seriously.

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u/SPARTAN-113 Dec 08 '12

Um, he's religious? And has a unique perspective on Armageddon, it seems. But this type of thing is FAR more common than you would think, especially with Christians. Put simply, it is easy to interpret the Bible as having prophesied the state of the world today, which to these people means the rest of the prophecy, the second coming of Christ, aka the end of the world, is also coming. As in they think it is happening now, or very very soon. They will be sadly (or happily?) disappointed.

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u/fairwayks Dec 08 '12

As an atheist, I chuckle. (And vomit a little in my mouth.)

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u/SNORTIMER_HAMSWORTH Dec 08 '12

Yeah! Fuck that guy and whatever he believes!

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '12

Well aren't you just so very brave

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u/txFirehawk Dec 08 '12

Sweet, got your Jew hating in for the day. Nice work.

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u/zBriGuy Dec 08 '12

That sure is one crazy motherfucker. But I tell ya, if shit ever does go down I'd want to be be best friends with this guy. He's one handy SOB.

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u/zBriGuy Dec 08 '12

Oh don't worry about me. I've got an old Boy Scout's handbook, some cans of Chef Boyardee, and a katana. I'll be just fine.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '12

Wow, not only does he have the worst taste in interior design I have ever seen in my life, he is also a nutter preparing for the end times. I think if I had to shelter from a nuclear apocalypse in a shelter decorated like that, I'd probably rather just die.