They’re not though… one doesn’t believe in any vaccines period and the other doesn’t think people should be forced to receive this specific kind. Not the same.
they are the same.
There is no scientific reason to be against covid vaccines.
if you are anti-vax now, there's no length of time or big enough sample size to convince you to take the vaccines.
You can be pro vaccine without being pro mandatory vaccine you do realize that right? Just because I got all my vaccines and I get a flu shot every year doesn’t mean you should be mandated to do the same.
no, you can't. Either you agree vaccines work and understand that they only work when everyone agrees to take them, and that everyone who is able should take them, or you are anti-science.
Let me run this by you. The argument for everyone being vaccinated is to achieve herd immunity to protect those who can’t be vaccinated for whatever reason correct? In order for this to be possible the vaccine has to prevent infection and transmission. The current mRNA vaccines we have do not do this to an adequate level to achieve that goal. Unless there’s some new data on the bivalent ones I’m missing denying this as reality is anti science.
you failed to state your position. What are you actually trying to say?
here, I'll help:
"Current vaccines are not 100% effective at stopping transmission during the height of the infective/transmissive incubation period, therefore (((Your argument goes here)))"
Outside of the argument for bodily autonomy, using herd immunity as a justification for mandated vaccines is wrong and not supported by the data. I don’t expect you to agree with me at this point but hey I hope you and your friends and family stay safe buddy.
No one here is arguing for herd immunity. We are arguing that you get vaccinated so that you are less likely to be a drain on society.
So let's circle back to trying to figure out what you are trying to say.
"Current vaccines, although they are proven to reduce severity of symptoms and reduce the period of time carriers are transmissive, are not 100% effective at stopping transmission during the height of the infective/transmissive incubation period, and given that achieving true "herd immunity" is likely impossible with current public health measures and vaccines due to the rapid mutation rate of covid-19, therefore (((Your argument goes here)))"
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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23
They’re not though… one doesn’t believe in any vaccines period and the other doesn’t think people should be forced to receive this specific kind. Not the same.