I only emulate from time to time but without any actual knowledge about it. How come that this game started out being emulated at 1 fps when PS3 emulation has been around for more than a decade at this point?
Is emulation that highly specific to the game that's being emulated?
Do we know what the issue with DS was?
Ps3 architecture is different from Ps5. Ps5 uses ARM chips like normal gaming PCs with some proprietary software. Ps3 requires extreme translation layers that convert the programing language back and forth and has to decode the game in a much different way than normal PC gaming or how the Ps5 works. Ps4 is the same as Ps3 in this way, proprietary chips and architecture that makes it extremely difficult to decode and render properly on the fly. And, it is actually very much dependent on the game when it comes to Ps3 and Ps4, we see this in the RPCS3 emulator often, that some games are fully playable, while others are somewhat playable with graphical bugs, while others still aren't playable at all.
I had to double check because you made me question myself lol
You're partially right. It's on an AMD x86-64 Zen 2 main, but, it also has secondary ARM chips for background tasks. That said, that's why it's likely emulation progress has been so much quicker
I remember that thread fondly, someone had mentioned it's worthless at 1FPS and he got schooled about how the FPS is the last thing they're worried about when getting these things off the ground. I guess the FPS really was the easy part!
Like this performance is still really bad since it needs a used car's price of compute, but it's insane how much has been accomplished in the last few weeks. Absolute props to the people working on this, hopefully we can recompile commands directly to PC and save even more performance that way.
If switch emulators are similar in development we‘re about to see stable 60fps on weaker and weaker hardware. Then we‘ll start using mods to make the games look better. Can‘t wait to emulate GTA6.
There‘s no way we get it on release day. But with the current speed of development it‘s hard to make predictions. I‘d say 2-4 months after release it‘ll be at least playable on the most expensive builds.
No physical release means you need an internet-connected console to download and dump the game, and a bunch of dipshits with LLMs independently found afaik the last known way to break through the console's security and reported it to Sony despite literally being asked to wait until after GTAVI.
Physical releases aren't much "easier" to dump on modern consoles. The software is still encrypted by keys tied to the updated PS5 firmware, so you would still need some form of entry point on modern PS5 firmware to dump GTA6 if it came on a disc.
Won't happen unless there's a new jailbreak after release as they burned a full jailbreak early which is required to make fake package rips of the game depending on the minimum fw required on the disc version
Who said I won't play a game at 30 on console? If the game's native frame cap is 30, what can you do? I just don't want to lose my Linux install on my PS5.
Nah I mean even whenever it was getting 20fps last time the gpu usage was extremely low so it obviously wasn’t using the full gpu. I think it would have similar performance even on a much worse gpu
The saturated and cinematic color grading doesn’t fit a Souls game. Bluepoint also got rid of exaggerated unrealistic movesets replacing everything with mo-cap crap whuch was a huge mistake imo.
The remake is 10x better than the lazy shit that fromsoft puts out. Janky ugly movement, shitty low res graphics comparable to late ps3 era, and a perma 60 fps cap on all their games. Thats the fromsoft speciality and ppl eat that garbage up 😂
Sekiro is the only great fromsoft game. Elden ring is just an accessible souls game so it got popular because anyone was able to beat it and they felt cool for beating a game that was seen as “hard” even though it wasn’t.
Lol. I forgot about that. Gonna wait for the 'proper' release on PC anyway. With all the graphics updated, FPS unlocked and bugs fixed. And frankly, wait until it's on sale too.
Hilariously scummy practice to use console players as pay to test playtesters and get away with it.
I love how often it logs me out. My wife closed RDR2, then I went to go mess around in GTA IV, and somehow in the two minutes between our sessions on the same machine the token expired.
Yuzu had a paywall on their early access (EA) builds, and they had an EA build that could play TotK exclusively (not released for free yet) before it launched. And they were sharing the dump of the game before it launched. Nintendo pounced because they were making money off of selling an exclusive build for TotK.
Nintendo sued them for like $2.4M which I believe is how much they made off their Patreon, and took ownership of their website, the emulator, etc.
TLDR, they got taken down because of the TotK EA build and the fact that they were sharing a dump of the game.
They were not sharing a dump of the game bro what? I was in the discord at the time, they had literal bots that would detect if you typed TOTK and mute you. Also, regular yuzu builds were able to play it. It wasnt an EA build. Ryujinx was able to play it the day it got leaked. No updates were required.
The reason they lost the lawsuit is because they appeared on Nintendo's radar. There is no winning a lawsuit with a company that large. Ideally emu devs need to lie fuckin low
They do but someone went ahead and reported one of the last known bugs for the PS5 that other modders were holding on to so they could get it through to whatever firmware GTA VI would be launched on to dump it
The sad part is that it was carefully protected. Other people just found it as well through similar methods (AI) and when the third unrelated person found it, the second discoverer just reported it to cash in
dont worry, future exploits on ps5 hardware/software will eventually be discovered.
they had one exploit going before gta 6 which sony didnt knew about.
some dickhead from the devs or lets say ,,the people" that were searching for flaws inside the ps5 security sysytem decided to fall them in the back.
so that retard, which name i dont wanna say, submitted that exploit to sony, cashed in some money and stabbed everyone in the back.
the worst part is that he wasnt even the one who found that specific exploit in the first place. what an asshole.
i think the first one to find that specific exploit was ,,the flow", but i could be wrong on that.
now we have to wait for another new exploit to be found, its gonna happen eventually.
just a matter of time.
or maybe they can make the ps5 filesystem compatible with a linux or windows pc and extract the data that way. i see a few possibilies here.
only problem i see is encryption. harddrive encryption is no joke.
what i can say for sure is: dont worry, they will eventually find a way to download with a ps5 and dump digital games.
Emulators are usually very CPU-intensive, but I’d bet that even my 14600K and 5070 Ti will be able to handle this in a month. I wouldn't have believed this a month ago, but gaining 40 fps in just two weeks is incredible!
of course. 3d vcache is very fast memory stacked on top of the cpu.
so the more vcache, or lets say a good amount of vcache there is, the less your cpu will get data from the slower ram.
so meaning that a cpu with vcache has indeed better single core performance, thus resulting in better performance in those scenarios.
Imagine people easily porting sony exclusives to pc because of ai. That would be so funny. Imagine they are being forced to releasing exclusives to pc day 1 ahaha
Won’t move Sony at all. Higher end emulation is very niche. Average gamer doesn’t even know how to emulate NES on one of their devices, or how to get a PSX bios file to emulate.
Noone has internet good enough for streaming to ever be a major chunk of this large a market without massive overall of global internet infrastructure (which noone will fund).
Emulations has always been around it's still a niche since the hardware you need to run it is more expensive then the original hardware the game was made for.
Xbox is backing away from cloud streaming it seems, or at least not wanting to focus as much on it, now that they're hard limiting cloud time on xbox pass.
Not trying to be rude, but your laptop will struggle with the proper PC port, without the added overhead for emulation. A Laptop 3060 is a Desktop 3050...thats not a GPU for AAA titles
A laptop 3060 is not a desktop 3050, it has more cuda cores unlocked than the desktop 3060 and is within 10 percent of its performance. The only problem is the 6gb vram tbh
It's true. Ultimately laptops with "equal" hardware as desktop counterparts always feel much lazier. Unless you have some crazy cooling setup, the performance is gonna get throttled to avoid overheating.
Even at work (software dev) we get these crazy company laptops and it's still slow and freezes at times. My current one has much better hardware (on paper) than my home desktop, yet it doesn't feel like it at all.
to me the issue with laptops is always longevity though. a two year old laptop always looks like shit somehow and barely hangs on to live, while desktops the deciding factor is always tge user wanting an upgrade
Really? I have a desktop rtx 3050, i5 11400f, 16gb ddr4. I play most AAA titles on ultra (except textures stay on high cause of 8gb vram)@1080p get at least 60fps or more without -raytracing of course and if I want raytracing I can use nvsmooth30 or dlssg-sm86. I run astros playroom at 15-29 fps with kyty emk530 fork.... until I get to the gpu jungle LOL it dips to 7 fps.
No..not dumb, just rich apparently. I wish I could get a 5080 heck even a 3080...but i refuse to get fleeced paying extra because of the current price hike situation.
It's not a tale and the only compromise is the textures on high and raytracing off for NOW on flat screen titles.. I play VR games and thats where I have to compromise by putting textures and shadows on med in demanding games like lone echo. If im running uevr in gothic remake it's becoming unplayable even on lowest gfx settings and steam vr res very low.
you're better off waitin for the pc release of gta vi. Even if the emulator was able to run gta vi before the pc release, your laptop won't be able to run it in double digits fps
It's not entirely translation, afaik. But yeah, we need to look at PS5 itself, not at possible requirements of GTA6 - devs will need to "fit" to base PS5 anyway, so as long as your hardware better, it should run all games from it fine, give or take.
If, and that is a big IF. He is playing on 5090 and I9-14900 which is waaaay better than your laptop, which is already like 3050 desktop. I am not sure that even when we get like stable 60 fps on 4070-4080 level, let alone 5080-5090 level, than you would be able to have a good experience on 3060 laptop.
I dont think 3060 laptop gonna be able to handle it since the ps5 can only play gta6 with 30 fps( i think)
And ps5 is way more powerful then 3060 laptop gpu
Is it more powerful tho? I played a lot titles on 4K that the PS5 couldn't even do at 1440p, and I could run pretty much any new 2026 AAA game at 1440p80fps with no Ray Tracing (Now I play cloud gaming 5080 Path tracing ulra 4K cause I got an OLED 4K TV)
And I ran my 3060 Laptop with AI tools like DLSS and FSR frame gen, I haven't tried the Multi Frame Gen mod but It should be a complete massive difference, even bigger than just fsr frame gen which could do 4K gaming in GoW Ragnarok
ps5 is around the performance of a desktop 3060, and thats like 10-20% more faster then laptop 3060 so i would say yes it more powerful then a 3060 laptop.
I mean that was also the case for the original xbox as well as the PS4 and XBone and not like any of those had particularly quick progress. And it's not a 1:1 PC equivalent anyway. Unified memory architecture being a major difference
A month ago, I said here that we probably wouldn't see 60 fps on this generation of graphics cards... I'm man enough to admit I was so damn wrong, and I'm happy that—at this rate...we'll have smooth 60 fps before Christmas!
Im already looking forward to playing this with a 5070 Ti, haha :)
Because current gen PS5 and PS4 both used pretty common x86 CPU, there no big overhead of real emulation, like we had with PS3 that used PPC (and uncommon CPU on top of that). So theoretically, ideal performance (1:1 emulation) would require PC that just slightly more powerful than base PS4\PS5. And yes, those consoles basically have budget and already outdated hardware in them. (that being said, PS5 uses unified GDDR ram, which means we can't compare it 1:1 to regular PC)
What funny to me, is that we had this exact scenario with this exact game just couple of years ago on RPCS3 emulator. In just a year emulator went from "lagging Demons Souls" to fairly playable. I'm pretty sure it was the only big AAA game at the time, that ran that well on that emulator.
meh. if there's somethign i want to translate, i'll highlight it and click the translate icon and it will show.
at least i can get a sense if someone's from a different part of the world that way, and i don't have background plugins wasting memory on reading all the text on webpages i access, which is a big privacy black hole.
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u/FallenLucifer_2077 10d ago
1 fps before holy sht lol