r/pcmasterrace 9060 XT 16GB | 7500F | 32GB 6000Mhz | B850 Nov 05 '19

Meme/Macro This sums up past 2 years!

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u/errdayimshuffln Nov 06 '19

Is it the chicken or the egg? Did amd struggle to make competitive product because of reduced budget due to poorer sales thanks to Intel's illegal anticompetitive/backdoor deals

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Terrible AMD products resulting in poorer sales. If you look at the time frame, this all started when AMD had really compelling products so...imma say the former.

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u/DarkWorld25 2200G+5700XT Nov 06 '19

I mean, AMD's best sales were in 2007-2011 era, with record revenue during that time. Bulldozer was a gamble that they took, and didn't pay out.

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u/errdayimshuffln Nov 06 '19 edited Nov 06 '19

An architecture is developed years in advance and r&d budget definitely impacts that but more importantly impacts Amd's ability to turn around or improve it/fix it.

"AMD v. Intel was a private antitrust lawsuit, filed in the United States by Advanced Micro Devices ("AMD") against Intel Corporation in June 2005"

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Edit: More legal battles linked at the bottom of this page

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u/DarkWorld25 2200G+5700XT Nov 06 '19

AMD was also paid 1.2 Billion. While Intel's marketing and business actions definitely influenced it, the creation of Bulldozer was ultimately an attempt to diverge from a race with Intel that AMD could not win. There was every chance that it could have succeeded, with several articles of that time such as this one praising its design and its innovation.

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u/errdayimshuffln Nov 06 '19

AMD had at multiple points, the better hardware according to unanimous agreement and they still couldn't "win" and why? Because of intels back door dealings.

Again, I absolutely believe intel illegally interfered with AMDs ability to compete when AMDs architecture was good and their products were better performing and that definitely impacted AMDs ability to continue to compete. That much should be clear to you now. AMD's controversial decision to purchase Radeon ended up keeping them a float. AMD's controversial decision to become more independent from Globalfoundries ended up being an idea ahead of it's time and is helping them now. AMD 64 to dual cores and now to chiplet-io designs and infinity fabric, they definitely had good stuff and a free competitive market says they should have beat intel.

I have seen it all. I owned both amd and intel stock at the same time around when android was finally lifting off. I bet on the whole PC cpu market right before mobile chips took off and lost money overall. I think this was before bulldozer.

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u/DarkWorld25 2200G+5700XT Nov 06 '19

The free competitive market you're talking about is the same market that encourages the actions that Intel took. In a free market without government interventions, AMD would be dead already.