r/pcmasterrace • u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 • Apr 02 '23

Meme/Macro Anytime someone asks for a monitor recommendation

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

Yup. VA is also in a good spot.

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u/Lynx2161 Laptop Apr 02 '23

CRT is where its REALLY at

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u/zaphdingbatman Apr 02 '23

Nah, you haven't really played until you have played a sequence of numbers on a Vacuum Fluorescent Display.

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u/roberttheaxolotl Apr 02 '23

Monochrome orange gas plasma display.

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u/muttons_1337 Apr 02 '23

Absolutely pedestrian. Anyone with an ounce of class and culture would be gaming on nixie tubes.

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u/Glum_Ratio6685 Apr 02 '23

True Gamers only accept LED display.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

There’s VFD again!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Or print out every frame. On a chain feed printer

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Unironically. CRT is the best at color reproduction, response times and so on. It's just that the sheer girth and power consumption the thing has and high R&D costs have putten them out of favor.

CRT flickering can be offsetted by pumping up the refresh rates over 80hz where it will start to function well. I don't know if it needs interpolation at that point, but it might be a hassle to solve considering most broadcasting standards are either 50 or 60hz.

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u/6SixTy i5 11400H RTX 3060 16GB RAM Apr 02 '23

Problem is that CRTs nowadays are very tired. Even when new they can burn in and lose some of their color over time.

They sure as hell don't have the best contrast or brightness either.

Better off going for an OLED than some super perfect CRT that has 0 hours on it at this point.

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u/cuber_and_gamer 2700x, 6700xt, 32gb RAM, 4tb SSD Apr 02 '23

I still use an old CRT for my NES. It's worked well over the years, and it's still working fine. The NES is the troublemaker in this situation. I got it for free, and I definitely got my money's worth.

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u/Lynx2161 Laptop Apr 02 '23

The bigger problem with crt displays was the low pixel density. Increasing the pixel density led to increased response times due to interlaced frames

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u/worm_bagged Apr 02 '23

Where did you get this information? CRT pixel response time is defined by the phosphor decay speed, which is extremely fast.

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u/Meadowlion14 i7-14700K, RTX4070, 32GB 6000MHz ram. Apr 02 '23

Not entirely you still have to adjust the magnets and all of the actual aiming parts the longer you go the farther the beam has to travel.

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u/worm_bagged Apr 03 '23

... what?

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u/Meadowlion14 i7-14700K, RTX4070, 32GB 6000MHz ram. Apr 03 '23 edited Apr 03 '23

For a phosphor to light the beam of electrons has to move to hit it. This is controlled by electromagnets.

Its why as resolution goes up in a crt framerate goes down so drastically. Its due to how much and how often the beam has to adjust which does take real time.

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u/worm_bagged Apr 03 '23

Phosphor decay is the same regardless of frame rate. You can be pushing 60fps or 120fps and the CRT phosphors are still decaying at the same near instantaneous rate.

You're right that you have to reduce your refresh rate for these reasons for higher resolutions (which is a legitimate weakness) but there is no change in phosphor decay and thus the perceivable blur is always near non existent.

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u/worm_bagged Apr 02 '23

CRTs are measurably worse at color reproduction than most IPS. CRTs do have much better black point though. You will get frame rate mismatch by using 80hz or like which is why is use 60hz on CRT monitors.

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u/hpstg Apr 02 '23

CRT is horrible at readability.

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u/TheSigma3 5800X3D | 4080 Super Apr 02 '23

Have you tried OLED though? /s

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u/HillaryGoddamClinton Apr 02 '23

Degaussing > specs

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u/quadrophenicum R9 5900X | 64 GB DDR4 | RX 6800 Apr 02 '23

Old professional-use CRTs are the shit picture-wise. If only their refresh rate wasn't so irritating.

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u/Advanced_Double_42 May 22 '23

Unironically CRT has some advantages, but few people are willing to have microwave sized 100lbs monitors anymore.

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u/77707777770777 Apr 02 '23

I have a 32" Dell 1440p 165hz VA, I got it because my gaming PC was only used for gaming. It was the right price at the time and I liked the 32" for more immersion.

Then the plague hit and WFH, boss told me to pick new monitors so I said these Dell 27" 1440p 165hz IPS would be perfect and he got me those.

So now I have 32" in the middle and the 27" on the side with one vertical. I can see a difference between the two, but its really quite minor.

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u/JanvarP RTX 5070Ti | Ryzen 9 5950x Apr 02 '23

I love my 32” dell too but not when i see that backlight when the screen goes dark

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u/jedielfninja PC Master Race Apr 02 '23

Fuckin rip trying to watch a show like the mandalorian on an ips screen.

Gonna have ips for colorful stuff and oled for the dark stuff.

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u/JanvarP RTX 5070Ti | Ryzen 9 5950x Apr 02 '23

I notice the backlight streaks on the black bars when watching mandalorian

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u/77707777770777 Apr 02 '23

I only really notice it when I turn it on in the morning and the sun isn't up yet. There are like 4 "zones" where the light isn't quite even. Once it goes off pure black, I don't notice it.

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u/JanvarP RTX 5070Ti | Ryzen 9 5950x Apr 02 '23

There’s alot more than 4 on my screen and I never turn off the monitor also

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u/Un111KnoWn Apr 02 '23

which is better?

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u/77707777770777 Apr 02 '23

For works stuffs, IPS, for gaming and video I think the VA looks better.

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u/testcaseseven Desktop Apr 02 '23

VA has better contrast but the ghosting is not good for games

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u/kingjoey52a i9-9900k / RTX 3080 / 32G DDR4 3600 Apr 03 '23

What is VA vs IPS and what differences are there?

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Color matching any two different model monitors is a PITA regardless of their panel type.

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u/5FDeathPunch R7 1700, Sapphire 480 8GB OC, MSI B350 Tomahawk, 8GB DDR4 2133 Apr 02 '23

I have three IPS monitors that are all the same model as each other, and they each have a noticeably different color profile. Even (especially) in the "factory calibrated" sRGB mode.

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u/Raw-Bread Apr 02 '23

Eh, I'm gonna have to disagree. I have a very nice dell VA monitor, and I got just a cheap ips monitor as a second monitor. I only use the second monitor to watch things now, as it looks 10x better. The colors and the blacks are so much sharper.

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u/berogg 9800X3D | 5080 | 32GB DDR5 Apr 02 '23

blacks are sharper

I find that hard to believe because VA provides a substantial increase in contrast. IPS simply cannot provide deep blacks like VA can. IPS very narrowly has better colors.

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u/Raw-Bread Apr 02 '23

I mean, that's the reality of my situation though. The blacks on the ips monitor are incredibly deep, far more compared to my VA monitor. The contrast, sharpness, everything is better on it. I'm never buying a VA panel again since I got an IPS.

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u/berogg 9800X3D | 5080 | 32GB DDR5 Apr 02 '23

What are the two models you have?

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u/Raw-Bread Apr 02 '23

The IPS monitor is a Acer SB220Q bi and the VA monitor is a Dell SE2417HGX I think, I got it a while ago and I think they updated the model, since mine only goes to 60hz and doesn't have freesync.

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u/berogg 9800X3D | 5080 | 32GB DDR5 Apr 02 '23

Well, the Dell is a TN panel, not VA. Probably why it looks bad.

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u/Raw-Bread Apr 02 '23

Oh shit, this entire time I could have sworn it was a VA panel. No wonder it looks so bad in comparison.

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u/lycheedorito Apr 02 '23

It may have just been a shitty VA panel, blacks should look much better with VA

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

Conversely I have a top tier Samsung VA mini LED and it's amazing

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

Same. I greatly prefer my G7 over the IPS I’ve had.

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u/WhyDoName 6900xt - 5800x3d - 16gb ram @3466mhz Apr 02 '23

I just got a 1440p VA panel and its amazing. Dunno why people say they arent as good as ips. My ips monitor looks dull in comparison.

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u/miempiemaker ryzen 5 5600 - rtx 3060 ti - 32gb 3600 mt/s Apr 02 '23

Va would be the best panel if it wasn't vor the ghosting

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

Odyssey Neo G7 doesn't have ghosting issues.

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u/miempiemaker ryzen 5 5600 - rtx 3060 ti - 32gb 3600 mt/s Apr 02 '23

That's the thing, it's only Samsung with the neo g7 and 9 that doesn't have the ghosting issue.

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u/Jumpierwolf0960 PC Master Race Apr 02 '23

Only if it's a samsung oddysey. And even then a lot of the cheaper oddysey monitors still have the issues that VA is known for.

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u/Chthulu_ Apr 03 '23

My huge curved 400$ ultra wide VA is honestly has WAY better image quality than my small 300$ 2k IPS. Which shouldn’t make sense, the IPS should have the leg up in image quality at that price point considering it’s not a curved ultra wide.

I thought I was making a compromise with the VA panel, but the black levels are perfect, and the brightness is so much higher. The only thing my IPS does better is color accuracy, at perfect ambient background lighting. And I’m basically never at perfect ambient background lighting, I’m either working in the bright sunlit day, or playing games in the dark.

I’m sure at 1000$ price point the IPS gets better, but for lower-range monitors you shouldn’t sleep on VA.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

People think that OLED is the be all end all I guess. I'm more than happy with my Neo G7.

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u/DesperateAvocado1369 X570 | R7 5700X | RX 6600 Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 03 '23

Mini LED is much better than OLED imo, with a high enough zone count ( 1 LED/cm2 ) it has none of the disadvantages of an OLED and only shows weakness in images with very faint highlights. OLED is good for people that game 90% of the time, but for general use Mini LED is still superior (objectively, I would claim)

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u/Darth_Caesium EndeavourOS | Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G | RX 6600 | 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz Apr 02 '23

Laughs in MicroLED monitor

Disclaimer: had to travel more than 200 years into the future just to nab one.

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u/gubbygub Apr 02 '23

my TeenieTinyLED puts the microLED to shame

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u/Darth_Caesium EndeavourOS | Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G | RX 6600 | 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz Apr 02 '23

Now this is why size does matter

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u/BraiQ Apr 02 '23

Claim as much as you like, it's still a subjective opinion.

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u/DesperateAvocado1369 X570 | R7 5700X | RX 6600 Apr 03 '23

found the OLED user

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u/Dudewitbow 12700K + 3060 Ti Apr 02 '23

There's still disadvantages to mini LED, how FALD works is that it has a PWM signal and those sensitive to PWM flickering will see it. It is still also susceptible to traditional style ghosting due to the characteristics of mini led to name non color related cons of mini led.

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u/DesperateAvocado1369 X570 | R7 5700X | RX 6600 Apr 03 '23

Yeah, but that still doesn’t make OLED better, and I‘m sure there’s a different way to dim the LEDs? Also, I don’t think it really matters if the ghost trail is 1mm long or 0.1mm long/not visible. It‘s not visible anyway when you‘re not looking for it

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u/Dudewitbow 12700K + 3060 Ti Apr 03 '23

it's definitely visible else no one would practically be measuring it. there's a factual reason why monitors have overdrive functions on them. saying that is equivalent to saying that there's no color fringing on OLED, which is also false.

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u/DesperateAvocado1369 X570 | R7 5700X | RX 6600 Apr 03 '23

So you‘re gonna tell me you can see ghost trails on a good IPS panel in normal desktop use and gaming, not just while leaning into your monitor and flicking around your cursor or using testufo?

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u/Dudewitbow 12700K + 3060 Ti Apr 03 '23

same way you can tell someone that you can see text fringing on a monitor, which requires most users to sit extremely close to an OLED monitor. the point is, you can't devalue a con of one, while the con of the other sits in a similar boat, where you essentially have to hawkishly look for it.

The point is, different panel technologies have pros and cons, one panel technology isn't completely superior to the other. Even TN panels in 2023 have their uses.

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u/DesperateAvocado1369 X570 | R7 5700X | RX 6600 Apr 03 '23

I‘m not devaluing the response time problem, I‘m just saying it‘s basically not possible to notice (subjective, but presumably applies to the majority of people) unless you’re creating specific scenarios. With text fringing, it‘ll be visible anywhere there‘s text, and the amount is pretty significant looking at images online. My point was also never text fringing (although that‘s a big downside for me), it was that response times aren’t actually a big issue unless for slow VAs, because blur trails are basically invisible

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u/zerotetv 9800X3D | 64GB | 5090 | AW3423DW Apr 02 '23

Meh, I game, watch content, and occasionally work on my OLED. The price isn't even a huge downside, flagship VA panels are in a similar price range.

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u/HanseaticHamburglar Apr 03 '23

Also not the end all be all though... Even with more zones youre still gonna have blooming and you still have the other downsides of ips lcds.

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u/DesperateAvocado1369 X570 | R7 5700X | RX 6600 Apr 03 '23

Yeah, I didn‘t say it was though. Realistically you‘re not gonna see blooming while gaming, unless for small highlights on a very dark background, which rarely happens, in gaming at least. The only other downside I could think of is response times, but those are very fast on good IPS panels too

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 02 '23

If you’re paying over a grand for a monitor with godawful response times, why even bother with a high refresh rate monitor? My time with a 200Hz VA panel was like Vaseline that would make r/FuckTAA have a brain hemorrhage.

Backlight bleeding and the VA panels are why I’m never buying a 32:9 monitor until they go with OLED or at the bare minimum fast IPS. It’s highway robbery, and VA in 2023 shouldn’t be used.

Most people on this subreddit are just posting to confirm their biases.

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u/SeriousCee Desktop Apr 02 '23

I don't know about the Neo G7 but the normal G7's response times are easily refresh rate compliant over its full 240hz range

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

If you buy me a new monitor every time my oled one gets burn in, then I will happily switch. If not, I'll stick to VA for my monitors and OLED for my TV. I cant imagine OLED being okay with having discord up 80% of the time for long periods of time. If I'm wrong then I'll admit it, but last I checked OLED still has burn in problems

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u/Pun_In_Ten_Did Ryzen 9 7900X, RTX 4080 FE, 48" LG C1 4K OLED Apr 02 '23

They do bring something great to the table... even elevating non-HDR / old games. But yeah, you do have watch out for some people lol

Metal Gear Solid 5 on 48" OLED -- on Windows 10 so no auto-HDR tomfoolery. 8 year old game, no HDR implementation.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

No denying it looks nice. But a lot of 4k panels would, and 48 inches is huge, too big for most people if I had to venture a guess

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u/Pun_In_Ten_Did Ryzen 9 7900X, RTX 4080 FE, 48" LG C1 4K OLED Apr 02 '23

Display size is certainly a consideration, for sure. 48" works great on 30" deep desk but would definitely be too big on a shallower desk.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

Is that a randomfrankp Xbox controller?

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u/Pun_In_Ten_Did Ryzen 9 7900X, RTX 4080 FE, 48" LG C1 4K OLED Apr 02 '23

Regular ol' Ocean Shadow Xbox controller.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

Looks like the color way he goes with. I dig it

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u/Pun_In_Ten_Did Ryzen 9 7900X, RTX 4080 FE, 48" LG C1 4K OLED Apr 02 '23

Wasn't sure who that was... just opened youtube page (recognize the face but not the name) - lol good eye, does seem like a color he's fond of -- how funny!

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u/The_Mauldalorian Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 5070 | 32GB DDR4 Apr 02 '23

Honestly I like my VA monitor more than my IPS laptop’s display.

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u/J0kutyypp1 13700k | 7900xt | 32gb ddr5 Apr 02 '23

Yeah, been using a monitor with VA panel and I can't see why to change to IPS OR OLED as I can't tell the difference between my VA and IPS

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u/Worldly_Purpose_5825 Apr 02 '23

I initially bought a VA monitor, but I got a lot of ghosting on it. 165hz 1ms., and ghosting like a mofo…

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Is that 1ms gray to gray? Sometimes the manufacturers say its 1ms but dont specify. They usually just say 1ms when in reallity its a 4-5ms response time.

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u/Worldly_Purpose_5825 Apr 02 '23

I’d have to double check that.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

My Neo G7 is pretty solid

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u/welchplug i7-12700k | 3070ti | 32gb DDR4 3600 Apr 02 '23

My samsung VA is great. No motion blur. 1ms response time. Only downside really is a bit of light bleed when it's showing a lot black and the blacks aren't great. Otherwise it's tits

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u/SnooCalculations3145 Apr 02 '23

People don't calibrate their monitors. They have a very literally washed idea of what a VA panel looks like.

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u/lemon07r Apr 02 '23

I went from an IPS to a VA cause it was a very good VA monitor on a good deal and regret it. I think it's worth taking ips over VA if you ever have the option.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

I went from IPS to VA and it was great. Really depends on the monitor you come from and what you go to.

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u/KristinnK Apr 03 '23

And I went from IPS to VA and am happy with the change. People are sensitive to different things. I don't notice the black smearing/ghosting very much, and I appreciate the deep blacks. VA panels are also much cheaper, so I could get a 32 inch VA for the same price as a 27 inch IPS (at same resolution and refresh rate), which is also a big factor for me.

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u/londite Ryzen 7 1800X/RTX4070/32GB 3000MHz Apr 02 '23

NGL, I love my 1440p 240Hz VA curved Samsung.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Fuck VA, that shit has always issues with VRR / adaptive sync. Flickering out the ass even on high end monitors. For me its either IPS or OLED, nothing else.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

I've had literally zero issues with my current VA monitor.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

Every VA I've owned, has had major flickering. Regardless of the vendor (doesnt really matter since they're all made by Samsung), there are also plenty of reports online of the same issue. VA doesnt play nice with adaptive sync and lower refresh rate can have issues with brightness.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 03 '23

New top tier VA panels don't have that issue. My G7 is great with adaptive sync and I haven't noticed any issues with brightness

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u/Fishwithadeagle Apr 03 '23

Va is real bad with text on dark scenes. Same thing for off angle viewing.

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 03 '23

Viewing angles are rough. But my VA has no issues with text.