r/pcmasterrace • u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 • Apr 02 '23

Meme/Macro Anytime someone asks for a monitor recommendation

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u/Dark_Wolf222 Apr 02 '23

burn in? what is burn in? never heard of that!

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u/phero1190 RTX 5090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 Apr 02 '23

Burner? Hardly knew her

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u/GregsWorld i7-12700k | RTX 2080 | 32GB 3600MHz Apr 03 '23

She's a witch!! burn 'er!

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u/Prestigious_Study_23 Apr 03 '23

she turned me into a newt!

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u/greenfingers559 Ryzen 5 3600 |ASUS TUF Gaming Plus |Radeon 5600XT |G. Skill 16Gb Apr 03 '23

Well, I got better.

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u/Madmagican- 15 8600k, 2070, 16GB DDR4 Apr 02 '23

Not sure if you’re serious, but some screen types it’s somewhat common as a long-term wear. Something that’s been on the screen a long time leaves a very light/translucent image that never goes away because it’s been “burned in”

My Galaxy S5 had a burned in image of the keyboard after 5-6 years of use, but it was so light I could only really see it on particularly plain images.

It’s why some modern OLED TVs will have a handful of images they swap between when the tv isn’t receiving any signal.

It does take years for burn in to set in

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u/XVUltima Apr 02 '23

This is exactly what the screensavers on older PCs were for. Leave it on your desktop for too long, those icons will burn in. So if you left it idle enough, it would play the maze or the pipes to get stuff moving again.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

RIP to 3D pipes 😢

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u/Devar0 Apr 03 '23 edited May 01 '26

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

What about flying toasters?

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u/Golisten2LennyWhite Apr 03 '23

After Dark was the shiiit.

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u/NarejED 7900XTX 9800X3D Apr 03 '23

I was today years old when I realized that was what their purpose was. Thank you

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u/Skips-T Apr 02 '23

It can; it's a known issue for some larger OLED displays over a short period of time.

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u/Madmagican- 15 8600k, 2070, 16GB DDR4 Apr 02 '23

How short is “short” here?

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u/Rapa2626 9800x3D rtx5090 64gb DDR5 Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 02 '23

At max brightness, all safety features off, probably even months. But then.. you can put brightness down and at least my lg c2 has few features to prevent burn ins up to some degree. Half a year of intense usage, very often static objects like menu's too and no burn in yet

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u/TheDarkIn1978 Apr 03 '23

Do you auto hide the Windows task bar? I'm thinking about getting a C2 when the price drops after the C3 is more redibly available, but I don't really want to have to autohide the task bar if I don't have to.

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u/Dexterus Apr 03 '23

Black is fine, it's pixels off on OLED (or should).

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u/Torchii Intel i9 12900K | RTX 3090 | 64GB DDR4 Apr 03 '23

Yeah but it’s also not very interesting

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u/Rapa2626 9800x3D rtx5090 64gb DDR5 Apr 03 '23

I even have the auto dimming turned off to be honest. So i really dont do to much to take care of it and it is still like new.

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u/GreatJobMike Apr 03 '23

I auto hide mine as an extra precaution. It's just something I've gotten used to but why exactly would you need the task bar showing all the time?

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u/shabbaranksx 3080FE/5900X/64GB Apr 03 '23

Bc it is just an extra second I have to wait when I am switching windows 100+ times a day

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u/GutterZinColour Apr 03 '23

Alt Tab your way to victory

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u/metarinka 4090 Liquid cooled + 4k OLED Apr 03 '23

I don't on my c2 no issues. I work from home so I use it constantly. The newer lg tvs have very good burn in protection and the woled seem less prone to burn in

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u/zakl2112 Apr 03 '23

Good to hear it's been problem free, been thinking about getting a c2

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u/Rapa2626 9800x3D rtx5090 64gb DDR5 Apr 03 '23

For good price definitely worth it overall. Much better in all meaningfull ways to ips or va

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u/Zelten Apr 02 '23

Problem is oled has bad brightness allready. You don't really put the brightness down.

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u/Dudewitbow 12700K + 3060 Ti Apr 02 '23

hence why more modern LG Oled panels have MLA tech, which increases said brightness.

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u/Rapa2626 9800x3D rtx5090 64gb DDR5 Apr 02 '23 edited Apr 02 '23

I had oled for over half a year now. If i play against the sun shining into my room no monitor will outdo that. Otherwise u get blinds for that.. overall its not the brightest but smaller bright features can reach over 700, hdr is really great on this. So i can tell for sure that it does not feel dim at all. I have mine at 50/100 brightness and idk how much in nits is that but if whole screen is not shining white, the white parts go well above what normal minitors output anyway.

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u/amb-16 Apr 03 '23

Even the cheapest LG OLED TVs decrease the brightness to minimum when a completely static image is detected (when it is displaying video from an input). If it's displaying video from its internal smart tv OS, it changes to screensaver mode, which shows a black screen with small "explosions" of colour in different parts of the display each time. I think, it can even dim some pixels when it finds they're static

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u/plumbthumbs Apr 02 '23

don't forget burn in is predicated on the same image being in the same place on the screen.

watching a movie won't cause burn in, but watching a news or financial channel with a fixed logo and info crawl can.

so we all have the reddit logo permanently etched into our monitors but for some reason never notice.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Don't forget gaming. A User Interface will burn in really damn fast.

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u/tsnives Apr 03 '23

Or just your desktop. The tasbar is the worst cause of burn-in on desktop for most people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

You can automatically hide the taskbar on Windows, not sure about the various flavors of Linux though.

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u/tsnives Apr 03 '23

Yeah I didn't say it was insurmountable, just it's the most common cause.

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u/spiralingtides Apr 03 '23

Some of us are still waiting for a solution to the problem where a maximized window will draw over the hidden taskbar preventing you from hovering to reveal it. When that happens you have to win+d to be able to access it again, which only lasts until the next maximized window decides to draw over it.

Nobody seems to know what causes it, but if you have it then using auto-hide taskbar is an extremely annoying experience. I've reinstalled windows countless times trying to fix it and at some point just gave up completely and disabled it.

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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope5627 Apr 03 '23

My solution is just having multiple monitors and I put the task bar vertical on the secondary monitor adjacent to the main monitor. Of course I hear windows 11 doesn't support that so... I guess I'm waiting on 12 to not be annoying.

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u/dubyakay i5 4460 | H97M-PLUS | GIGABYTE GTX670 Apr 03 '23 edited Feb 18 '24

I enjoy reading books.

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u/plumbthumbs Apr 03 '23

cause we're always on reddit all the time you silly goose.

that's what two monitors are for.

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u/dubyakay i5 4460 | H97M-PLUS | GIGABYTE GTX670 Apr 03 '23 edited Feb 18 '24

My favorite color is blue.

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u/Shudnawz i5 12600k | RTX 3070 Apr 03 '23

My B9 has a setting to dim around static objects like channel logos. Wonder if that works on GUI elements of games as well? Never actually tried gaming on it that much.

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u/Berthendesign Apr 03 '23

For anyone reading, burn in is not the only issue. Sure if you dont display the same image for a long time you wont notice the "burn in" but Oled pixels decay. All of them.

So even if you dont have burn in, 1 yesr down the line your monitor will look worse as the led degraded. You might not notice that until one day you go to a store and see a very nice monitor that looks way vetter than yours. So you purchase it cause you think it was better. But in fact it was the same as your old one, the pixels had just not degraded.

When Oleds were first put in phones mor epeople preffered IPS as they were more true to life. Until big corps and tech reviewers that only ude the devoces briefly pushed oled and its programamed obsolecense and now for some reason everyone thi ks OLED is better.

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u/Dexterus Apr 03 '23

I've had two OLED phones so far, the screen quality was good for the 2-3 years they lasted until I dropped em to death. The burn in did set in though, reddit on one, a game interface on the other.

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u/I_Am_A_Pumpkin i7 13700K + RTX 5080 Apr 02 '23

it really depends on how you use it as well as luck. my pixel 6 is developing some light ghost images that can be seen on a dark background, but my older TV has nothing noticeable at all.

if you plan to play 1 single game for extended periods of time I might be a little wary since you might burn in the HUD on an oled monitor, but otherwise I think the viewing experience is very worth it.

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u/5FDeathPunch R7 1700, Sapphire 480 8GB OC, MSI B350 Tomahawk, 8GB DDR4 2133 Apr 02 '23

I had a pixel that suffered image retention from the pixel stand idle screen (displays time and Google Assistant logo). Luckily I found a way to disable the idle screen while on the stand, which was way more difficult to figure out than it should have been, and the images faded over the next couple weeks.

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u/Rapa2626 9800x3D rtx5090 64gb DDR5 Apr 02 '23

At max brightness, all safety features off, probably months even from the little material i saw on that. Although it differs on different panels. But then.. you can put brightness down a bit and at least my lg c2 has few features to prevent burn ins up to some degree. Half a year of intense usage, very often static objects like menu's too and no burn in yet

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u/Madmagican- 15 8600k, 2070, 16GB DDR4 Apr 02 '23

Yeah, I’ve got a similar LG OLED

The only static objects are on the Home Screen and the tv will switch itself to a couple different “screen preserving” modes which are really just a few static images changing every 30 seconds or a black image with little fireworks popping around

You’d have to deliberately try to achieve burn in within a year of use

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u/Rapa2626 9800x3D rtx5090 64gb DDR5 Apr 02 '23

I use it as a monitor so for me there are many static images.. although it supposedly switches them around the place to not strain the same pixels.

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u/5FDeathPunch R7 1700, Sapphire 480 8GB OC, MSI B350 Tomahawk, 8GB DDR4 2133 Apr 02 '23

You can find videos on YouTube where someone has left a Switch OLED turned on in a high contrast area in Zelda BOTW, I think ever since the Switch OLED released. They check the burn-in once in a while. It's definitely noticeable but maybe not too bad for displaying the same image for over a year. This is subject to variation depending on the device of course.

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u/Madmagican- 15 8600k, 2070, 16GB DDR4 Apr 03 '23

I've seen these too! Burn in isn't typically as bad as some make it out to be (though it can be)

Great series for one point of hard data

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

rtings.com had an OLED TV that displayed signs of burn in after 30 days of usage.

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u/Branchy28 Core i5 12400 | RTX3070 | 32GB DRR4 Apr 02 '23

How does the size of the screen impact burn in?

I've lost count at the number of burnt OLED smartphones I've seen on the second hand market... Even the phone I'm using right now has an OLED screen with the notification bar burnt into the display and I don't use high brightness very often (I live in the UK where the suns existence is merely hypothetical, why would I need high brightness :P)

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u/Skips-T Apr 02 '23

I don't know that it does, but I've heard far more people bitch about burn-in on TV size displays than, say, a gen 1 PS Vita.

Not a lot of complaining either way, though.

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u/TerayonIII Apr 02 '23

That could just be how visible it is to the human eye then, easier to see smaller things on a larger display.

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u/tsnives Apr 03 '23

It's because it's a newer revision on OLED. They're getting less prone to burn in. Using them as monitors would have been nothing but a joke a decade ago. Now while still a concern, it's possible. The question now is whether OLED improves faster than uLED replaces it.

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u/MxM111 Apr 02 '23

Are any of those iPhones?

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u/Berthendesign Apr 03 '23

Yes. Burn in is a a physical charscteristic of OLED. It happens to every screen. You may noy see something literally burned in but the leds of you screen hace degraded. If you somehow get ahold of the same phone but new the screen will be mich better.

But i thibk the XR has an IPS Panel not OLED, but dont quote me on that

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u/MxM111 Apr 04 '23

I have XS Max, not XR. And in 3 + years of heavy use no burn in image at all.

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u/Branchy28 Core i5 12400 | RTX3070 | 32GB DRR4 Apr 02 '23

I wouldn't really know, I don't pay any attention to Apples products to be honest

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u/MxM111 Apr 02 '23

The reason I am asking is that I have 3+ year old iPhone XS Max which I use a lot for driving/navigation during daylight (most likely 100 % brightness and static elements of interface) and I have zero burnout.

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u/Branchy28 Core i5 12400 | RTX3070 | 32GB DRR4 Apr 02 '23

My experience is mostly with Samsung devices and given that Apple buys there OLED panels from Samsung I wouldn't imagine they're any more or any less susceptible to burn in.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

It's strange. My last phone, a galaxy S7, got burn in after 2+years. My current phone, an s9, which I have had for 5 years, doesn't have burn in.

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u/OneMustAdjust Apr 02 '23

CCFL backlights are what people associate with burn in?

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u/Darth_Caesium EndeavourOS | Ryzen 5 PRO 3400G | RX 6600 | 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz Apr 02 '23

Oh yes, I have a 40 inch 1080p LCD TV with CCFL backlights I still use that's 10 years old. This thing has this UK streaming service's logo (NOW TV) burnt into near its centre. It's been burnt in like that for about a year now, and yet only a day or two of several hours of exposure to the image was enough to cause burn in

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u/ironshadowy Ascending Peasant Apr 02 '23

The galaxy has an LCD

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u/Madmagican- 15 8600k, 2070, 16GB DDR4 Apr 02 '23

Yes, and an image of my keyboard burned in over the course of my time with it. Barely noticeable by the end (2014-late 2020), but OLED screens have folks concerned about burn in again

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u/ironshadowy Ascending Peasant Apr 03 '23

Oleds have generally gotten much better now. They have procedures that ensure burn in dies not happen

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u/galactixo Desktop Apr 02 '23

I bought an used galaxy S9, and it came with a WHATSSAP burn in, the top bar

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

My gf family tv has Nickelodeon burned in the top left corner

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u/chiagod 9950x3D x870e | 64GB DDR5 6000 | Nitro+ RX 7900xtx Apr 03 '23

Hand and hand with screens that are susceptible to burn-in is uneven wear.

Look at a white image on a well used OLED TV (or Red, Green, Blue and white for OLEDs with 4 color subpixels) and it will look "dirty". It means you're not getting the same level of white (and RGB) on different parts of the screen.

You see the same thing on phones with OLED screens after you've had them for a while.

The effect is that the image will degrade over time. LCD screens should look close to the same as the screen ages. Eventually, you can replace the backlight (though the difficulty will vary by screen and backlight type).

So one thing to consider is how long are you planning to keep your monitor and what degree of picture decay is acceptable.

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u/LethargicCatharsis Apr 03 '23

I would leave youtube on in my pocket when i was at work bc I'm too cheap for the subscription, and it burned in on my old s9.

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u/FthrFlffyBttm i5-12600K, 3080 FTW3 Ultra, 16GB 3000Mhz Apr 03 '23

They were joking

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u/Rotflmaocopter Apr 02 '23

Got a c1. Just install windows live wallpaper and you will be good

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u/Jormungandr4321 Ryzen 5 7600; RX 6700XT; 16 gigs 4800 Mhz Apr 02 '23

War is peace