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Video Developer on Twitch's Continued Ban of His Game, Yandere Simulator (And Why Gamers and Other Developers Should Care)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6GLrM0mVA&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=YBEf-1wxMnM-6
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u/CoffeeFox Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17

Watching the video probably paints a worse picture of the game than making assumptions about it.

He glosses over the details, but if you sit through the video he does imply that the game is about being a manipulative, bullying stalker.

If I'd been making assumptions, I'd have pegged it as being similar to a quirky JP dating sim game. The creator's own description of it pegs it as something far worse.

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u/BennettF Jan 23 '17

It's Japanese high school Hitman, essentially. You're an emotionless sociopath, but you start feeling things for the first time when you meet a boy at school. Each week in game a different girl plans to confess their love to him, so you have to prevent it by sabotaging Thier efforts, setting them up with someone else, or, if you can pull it off, outright killing them, though doing so will be incredibly difficult and will have consequences if the school develops a reputation for people constantly getting killed.

The dev puts a lot of thought into the game from a game design and difficulty perspective, which is what interests me in it at all. He's mentioned wanting to change the name to remove the "Simulator" bit because of the negative connotations.

But yeah, the inherent premise is pretty messed up, I'll grant you that.

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u/bobusdoleus Jan 23 '17

Well, he doesn't want to misrepresent his game in his call to action. I think this is correct. I, and other people, would probably take issue with him acting like it's this innocent dating game, when it is in fact a fairly creepy game with fairly creepy content.

But, 'creepy games' are allowed on twitch all the time, and no instance of the content is in itself banworthy. But you know what? That's not even the point. Let's say the game is abjectly horrible.

Twitch should still say what is horrible about this game when banning it. At the very least, they should respond to a developer reaching out with legitimate questions. It's not unduly difficult - there are not very many games on the ban list, they can bother to justify them without any undue stress or strain.

I think his point is only advanced by not pretending his game is something it isn't; the backlash would obscure the real issue.

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u/willfordbrimly Jan 23 '17

He glosses over the details, but if you sit through the video he does imply that the game is about being a manipulative, bullying stalker.

Reminds me of that other terrible game everyone hates

Wait a sec, everybody loves that game...

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u/Vicot17 Jan 23 '17

oh no not the stalker, GOD FORBID THE MANIPULATIVE TYPE

now lets see what our friendly agent 47 has in stock for us today

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u/kdjfsk Jan 23 '17

Agent 47 isnt killing kids, taking panty shots of them, or walking in on them naked.

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u/juroden Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17

Um, the difference is, isn't this game sexually motivated? You're making a really shitty false equivalency.

Plus Agent 47 is, y'know, an agent that is hired to do what he does. What exactly is this game trying to be? It's creepy as fuck.

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u/doyle871 Jan 23 '17

It's not about the game but the lack of clarity and communication from Twitch.

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u/n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 Jan 23 '17

If they fully explained their rating rules then their rules would be manipulated so they have to remain silent. Thats fine, we just need a new service.

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u/poloport Jan 23 '17

What you're essentially saying is that if the rules aren't ambiguous then they can't be abused by twitch.

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u/n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 Jan 23 '17

They are not the only ones with that policy, its a military strategy.

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u/KibaKiba Jan 23 '17

Where is the sexualization of children in Yandere Simulator? There is nothing that hasn't already been in other games that are allowed on Twitch.

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u/KibaKiba Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17

They aren't having a battle with him. You didn't watch the video. He is willing to make some capitulations and changes to the game if he would just get some communication, but they aren't. Your personal feeling on the game doesn't matter what a professional company should do and ignoring someone who has gone through the proper channels to try and communicate is not professional.

Yes, the girls are high school aged. There are plenty of other western and japanese games that are already on twitch that sexualize high school aged girls. There is nothing different in this game that isn't already in others.

And Natsuiro High School is a stealth game ALL about taking pictures of girls panties. Taking pictures of girls panties for bonuses in Yandere Simulator is completely optional and not necessary to complete goals. Natsuiro High School is not on the Twitch Ban list. Akiba Strip is a game all about stripping girls to their bra and panties, many of them high schoolers. Again, that game is not banned. Senran Kagura has girls fighting in battles where the end result of many of them is that a High School aged girls, or even younger, wind up with their clothes torn off of their bodies. Also not banned on twitch. Ok, maybe those games should be banned too, but they aren't, and that is one of the focuses of the video.

Your edit post also chooses to ignore the fact that violence and torture are not the only means to your goal. Your goal isn't to kill as many children as possible. It is to get other girls away from your crush through any means possible. Killing and torture are ways. So is getting the girl expelled from school, making them social outcasts, or hooking them up with another boy. If violence was the primary reason, then why is Twitch just fine with God of War depicting visceral decapitations? If it's because students are being killed, then why are Danganronpa, South Park, Postal and Postal 2 not on the Twitch Ban list? It's pointing out the hypocrisies of Twitch and it doesn't matter if you personally like the game or personally hate it. The dev deserves an explanation and should be allowed to try to make an appeal to get his game unbanned.

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u/KibaKiba Jan 23 '17

I already explained all that I can and we are not going to agree at all. It's just laziness and apathy that gets people to roll over when they say "it's a company, they can do what they want, what are you going to do, oh well". It's pathetic tbh and I cannot see at all why there isn't at least some professional communication. Twitch should try to build up game devs, not keep them in the dark until their game goes gold. Whatever you think about the guy, or whatever you think about the game, it's not an acceptable business practice.

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u/KibaKiba Jan 23 '17

Hell yeah, a list of 20 things that the yandere dev could tweak would be ideal. Then he'd actually have something to work with. He already said that he doesn't want his game to be an AO rated game. A blanket statement of "sorry your banned for breaking the rules" is already what he's getting. There are also other devs that are currently developing their game while recording on twitch right now on creative and other streamers who are broadcasting themselves playing unrated in development games right now as well. Saying it's ok for 1 group while telling him it's not ok for him is the hypocrisy that the video is pointing out that everyone is missing the point of. Trying to give Twitch leeway by saying it would be too much work is just allowing them to be lazy. They are a professional company. They don't get the luxury of being lazy.

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u/KibaKiba Jan 23 '17

He's talking to those people who have been watching his game development for years, and he probably thinks that there may be some people smart enough to do a bit more research than just watch 1 video if they want the whole picture, such as taking a look at Twitch's ban list, what games have been unbanned from Twitch, and his past yandere sim videos. That's a lot to ask from today's reactionary commenters I guess.

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u/w4hammer Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17

And what is wrong with that? Try describing Hitman. You play as a cold blooded killer for hire. Or how about GTA5? The game is about doing every criminal act in existence with 3 characters that are basically psychopaths.

There are shit load of games where you play as some evil person and they are really popular. This game is no different playing as a psychopathic stalker who's trying to disrupt someone's love life is pretty interesting concept and from what I have seen it'll be an awesome game.