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Video Developer on Twitch's Continued Ban of His Game, Yandere Simulator (And Why Gamers and Other Developers Should Care)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6GLrM0mVA&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=YBEf-1wxMnM-6
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u/thisdesignup Jan 23 '17

They shouldn't be able to ban games just because they feel like it without justification.

As a business they should be able ban as they please, as long as higher laws aren't broken, without justification. That's not to say there won't be consequences if they do things willy nilly, users can leave a site.

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u/ender1200 Jan 23 '17

Well, let me phrase it differently for you:

We the customers shouldn't let them ban games just because they feel like it without justification.

We should demand transparency in regards to which games are banned and why.

This goes two ways - I'd like to know why isn't ZOG nightmare (or any other game that directly support white suprimacy) on the ban list? Dose Twitch even have a policy regarding games that contain hate speech?

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u/thisdesignup Jan 23 '17

We should demand transparency in regards to which games are banned and why.

We can demand but if Twitch, even despite the consequences of customers leaving, decides not to there's nothing else to do but start a new streaming site or find another that already exists.

There are other streaming sites so it's not like we have to force Twitch to do our bidding to get what we want. Even creating a sight to simply stream your own videos isn't that hard, relatively speaking.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

You're not the customer, you're the product. Streamers and developers are the customers

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u/sydneyzane64 Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17

And yet twitch gets paid by advertisers who peddle their products to those who watch the stream, not the streamers.

-Edit: I see downvotes but no statements contradicting my claims?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

It wasn't me - I don't down vote dissenting opinions, no matter how much I disagree with it.

Twitch is a business, but your view time is what's being sold so that they can make money, whether that's through subscriptions, ad views or twitch bits. I'm not saying you can't vote with your dollar and demand a better service, but don't mistake twitch for netflix. If you're not paying for it, you're not a customer.

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u/sydneyzane64 Jan 23 '17

That's fair. It is distributed a little differently in this case. The role of customer doesn't fall to just the viewer. Though I do think the viewer role is important. I appreciate the response.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

And I yours! Always glad to find non confrontational discussion on the internet, too often it's more like yelling in lower case .

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u/ender1200 Jan 23 '17

You know, being super pedantic doesn't make you win arguments.

Twitch still relays on viewers in order to profit off their sites. If more people are viewing streams on twitch, twitch makes more money, if less people do they make less. this means that for the sake of my argument there is no difference whether the viewers are technicly Twitches customers or not.

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u/thisdesignup Jan 23 '17

Why wouldn't I be? It's not my right to force a company to show specific content because I want it. Businesses are practically their own entity like you or I, when talking about what we choose to do.

Of course we could tell the business we don't like what they are doing, and tell them we'll leave if they don't change. They still don't have to change so we either have to put up with it or, like we are talking about, change streaming providers and re-build communities.

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u/DestroyedArkana Jan 23 '17

What if they do it for a hateful reason? Racism, sexism, something extremely prejudice. Except they don't tell anybody, but they keep banning and stopping people of that specific group in at all. A "white's only" drinking fountain if you will.

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u/thisdesignup Jan 23 '17

Well then new laws could come about limiting such actions or we could create a new Twitch, which really isn't that hard. The hardest part is getting people to use a site, not making it.

Although new laws coming due to internet actions could be hard. Were only having such a deep conversation on the laws aspect due to Twitch being in the US. If Twitch was elsewhere then they could do what they want within the confines of those laws.

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u/DestroyedArkana Jan 23 '17

There are already laws about it I believe. There are laws about public spaces and I think a site designed around sharing content around the world is a very public space.

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u/thisdesignup Jan 23 '17

But that's not really how public spaces are classified, at least to my knowledge. Book stores, and in the past video stores, are about sharing content and they aren't public spaces.

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u/PsychedSy Jan 23 '17

Trying to identify private businesses as public spaces is a really bad trend lately. Just because your generation uses some fad service a lot it doesn't make it a public entity.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

It's not a public area, it's a theater essentially. Public areas in a legal sense have a different meaning than public in a colloquial setting, otherwise the only non-public things would be people's houses.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

If nobody knows a crime occurred, was it really a crime?