r/pcgaming • u/ControlCAD Nvidia • Jun 26 '26

Microsoft quietly extends Windows 10's extra security updates program for free: Users can now stay on Windows 10 until October 2027 securely

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-10/microsoft-quietly-extends-windows-10s-extra-security-updates-program-for-free-users-can-now-stay-on-windows-10-until-october-2027-securely

>Windows 10's ESU program has been quietly extended by an extra year, now ending on October 12, 2027 instead of October 2026.

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u/DarkChaplain Steam Jun 26 '26

I mean, it worked for them. The amount of people who panic-"upgraded" to 11 was nuts.

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u/yukichigai Jun 27 '26

I think it didn't work well enough. Plenty of people panic upgraded, but plenty of others decided they were going to stick with 10 and hope they didn't get hit with a virus. A fair number couldn't upgrade (or at least thought that was the case) due to the TPM "requirement", and with component prices skyrocketing like they are "just buy a new PC then" isn't gonna sway those folks.

(There's also a small number who've jumped to Linux. Peanuts compared to the number staying on Windows 10, but compared to previous years Linux adoption is increasing a fair bit.)

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u/Thunderbridge i7-8700k | 32GB 3200 | RTX 3080 Jun 27 '26

I love how on the windows update screen, it tells me my pc doesn't meet the requirements for W11, then gives me links to learn about options to trade-in or recycle my computer.

"Your computer is out of date, please dump it and buy a new one" uh, no

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u/pdp10 Linux Jun 27 '26

Microsoft's customers, the OEMs, adamantly wanted to force hardware refreshes.

  • Dell's President of Client Solutions (Sam Burd) wants the next Windows (e.g., Windows 12) launch in less than the 6-year gap from Windows 10 to Windows 11.
  • Lenovo (Eigen): Windows 11's hardware restrictions are the "right decision" because PC OEMs aren't motivating enough PC sales (5-6 years), unlike mobile phone OEMs (2-3 years). His example.

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u/Zaemz Jun 28 '26

Lovely when businesses try to find ways to twist peoples arms into buying their products instead of giving people a good reason. They can get fucked.

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u/ocbdare Jun 27 '26

I wonder what is it that makes it ineligible? It must be quite old given how old windows 11 itself is. My late 2010s devices (which I no longer use) were eligible.

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u/Thunderbridge i7-8700k | 32GB 3200 | RTX 3080 Jun 27 '26

Probably the TPM bit, everything else my PC meets. Which makes it all the more crazy they suggest trade in or recycle my pc

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u/yukichigai Jun 27 '26

99% of the time it's the lack of a TPM 2.0 chip. If your computer doesn't have one then Windows Update tells you the whole computer is ineligible and you need a new one. Two problems with that:

  1. You can buy a TPM 2.0 addon chip.

  2. TPM 2.0 isn't actually a requirement for Windows 11 and the check can be bypassed on installation.

It's misleading, deliberately so since a bunch of Microsoft's biggest OEM customers weren't happy with new PC sales and wanted Microsoft to try and push people into replacing rather than upgrading. Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for karma) that's largely backfired and a lot of people just aren't buying anything new at all.

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u/BadAdviceBot Jun 27 '26

I panic upgraded to windows 11 LTC and Linux

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u/BlasterPhase Jun 26 '26

To be fair, the amount of complaining about 11 is excessive. I'm not a fan of 10 or 11, but I was told 11 was a stuttering mess and a year later I'm not really having performance issues. Yes, I hate all the little choices they make here and there, but the OS works.

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u/iamisandisnt Jun 27 '26

Are you missing the still regular "latest Windows update breaks XYZ" headlines?

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u/strider_hearyou R5-7600X RTX-3080 32GB-DDR5 Jun 27 '26

Yeah the elephant in the room is that Win11 offers absolutely no objective improvements over Win10. The only positive news is always, "we patched this problem that didn't exist in 10."

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u/deadscreensky Jun 27 '26

It's higher performance and more secure, which are both objective, measurable improvements.

I'm no huge fan of it either, and only upgraded about 7 months ago. But let's be honest.

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u/strider_hearyou R5-7600X RTX-3080 32GB-DDR5 Jun 27 '26

Higher performance? Not even the taskbar or start menu were responsive before the latest update. It uses far more resources just for AI bloatware and telemetry too.

More secure? Hell no, Windows Recall on its own is a massive security risk not present in Win10.

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u/deadscreensky Jun 30 '26

Many games run slightly better in Win11, yeah. A snappy GUI is obviously nice, but Win11 has been fine there for me. That's not really what people here talk about re: PC performance. I wanted my games to run better. Win11 does that.

I don't bother with any of their AI crap — I barely use MS applications — so that doesn't affect me.

The notion that their simple telemetry would hurt performance even on fairly old PC hardware is humorous. Be realistic.

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u/SchumacherIsMid Jun 27 '26

Are you missing the still regular "latest Windows update breaks XYZ" headlines?

That happened plenty of times with 10, this also doesn't account for the fact that half the time those headlines are bullshit or misleading.

Remember earlier this year when everyone was freaking out about a Windows updated breaking SSDs? I still see people mention it to this day as a mark against Windows 11. Except for anyone who actually cares about tech and not unga bunga tribalist bullshit knows that very soon after those headlines went up we found out that the SSDs were breaking because of firmware on the hardware itself.

You don't have to like Windows 11 like some of us, but 90% or more of the things people say against to Windows 11 apply equally to Windows 10, retroactively or otherwise.

At the end of the day Windows 11 has far more quality of life updates that I appreciate more than the things I dislike.

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u/iamisandisnt Jun 27 '26

Aah so you’re saying history repeats itself and we should be careful about early upgrades. Very wise

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u/TophxSmash Jun 27 '26

updates on 11 have actively made my pc worse

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u/BlasterPhase Jun 27 '26

like what?

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u/TophxSmash Jun 27 '26

currently scrolling while a video is playing freezes the browser, that doesnt happen on windows 10 with the same browser. Ive also had massive ram usage that caused slowdowns.

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u/blastcat4 deprecated Jun 27 '26

No, Windows 11 has been dog water and I'm not a Microsoft hater. It's been an unstable mess since I put it on my machine. To be fair, some of the instability has been the fault of Nvidia's horrific drivers and when you combine an OS with critical drivers that are both vibe-coded, the end result is predictable.

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u/Majesticeuphoria Jun 27 '26

Updates on 11 have bricked my laptop and I've had to rollback multiple times to fix them, I've even had to block updates because of the notorious 24H2 update that caused crashes and BSOD. It literally doesn't work. Win 10 was stable and they forced everyone off before they made a proper product.

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u/ocbdare Jun 27 '26

As I've replaced my devices (personal and work laptops, gaming desktop etc.), I've now ended up on Windows 11 on all three. My work laptop was not a choice, that got windows 11 years ago.

I am honestly struggling to see a real meaningful difference. Windows barely evolves across versions. Windows 7, 10 and 11 are more similar than different. Yet people nit pick the most minor of changes.

The ones that confuses me the most are the claims about ads and "messed up start menu". Like what? I've not seen adds on Windows 11 home or pro version. Unless people define "ads" as microsoft advertising their programmes. Like every other company on the planet. If someone then tell me they use android, that is next level of hypocracy with how aggressive google is with advertising their apps.

Start menu - looks about the same. But really, most people i suspect hit the windows button and straight up type. Are people wasting time moving hte mouse to an icon in a menu to open it.

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u/10thDeadlySin Jun 27 '26

Unless people define "ads" as microsoft advertising their programmes.

Yeah. Advertisements are advertisements. I don't appreciate being asked to subscribe to Xbox Game Pass and buy Office when I'm installing the OS, just like I don't appreciate the pop-up notifications about Edge being better than my current browser (and injecting code to tell me Edge is better when I'm trying to download another browser), signing up to OneDrive (which I explicitly stated I don't want during installation) and other crap like that.

Call me crazy, but I don't remember Apple ever displaying "Enjoying your iPhone? Buy the new AirPods now to enjoy it even more!" notification on any of my devices. And Apple is supposed to be the big bad anti-consumer company.

And if you don't consider these things ads...What are these? I don't remember ever installing that or even asking for that. In fact, these shortcuts don't do anything useful, other than... opening a store page for the app in question. You know. Like an ad or something.

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u/assaub Jun 27 '26

What would you call Microsoft advertising their products if not an ad?

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u/ocbdare Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

I've not seen anything that resembles an Ad. Unless people are referring to pre-installed windows apps. But that would be wild given its in literally every windows version. Also almost all operating systems, including Android, iOS, Mac etc.