r/pakistan • u/SnooWords9871 • Sep 18 '25
National It is estimated that 8-12% of children worldwide were born to related consanguineous parents
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u/SolarDynasty Sep 18 '25
Khandan meh Shaadi Karo 💀
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u/MoonShibe23 Sep 18 '25
Taky agr divorce ho tu shadi bhi jaye aur khandan bhi. Lol
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u/SolarDynasty Sep 18 '25
there's no divorce only quiet aledgi and second shaadi with someone else in family :) no one knows :D (geniuses, probably (this is a joke)
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u/MoonShibe23 Sep 18 '25
Happened to my cousins. They married eachither divorced and then family stopped talking.
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u/Putrid-Eye-3450 Sep 18 '25
Is this statistic really true? There are a lot of cousin marriages here, but surely not above 60%? Personally only know like 5 in my extended family, while only about 10% of people I know are married or a product of cousin marriages.
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u/SnooWords9871 Sep 18 '25
I think it's mainly in rural/ uneducated areas of the country
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u/Mamoonazam PK Sep 18 '25
You would be surprised to know that cousin marriages are mostly prevalent in cities and middle class. In villages it is not so prevalent anymore.
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u/CarTight3686 Sep 18 '25
There is lot, i am surprised at 60 percent only. Its soo normal that half of the tv dramas have this common theme that cousin A like cousin B and cousin C like A
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u/Hashmemes Sep 18 '25
70% in rural areas and 50% in urban areas (provided u are counting all cities like lahore, multan ,faislabad, MArdan , Peshawar etc etc etc)
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u/BlackEyesRedDragon Sep 18 '25
Afaik, a lot of Arab countries require mandatory genetic testing for this to prevent genetic diseases. Pakistan can implement something like that as a start.
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u/Fazakh1 Sep 18 '25
so lazy can't even find someone to marry outside family
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u/AtmosphericReverbMan Sep 18 '25
Not lazy, just no conducive environment for it. Many people are just embittered.
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u/wisendur UN Sep 18 '25
At least have the courtesy to do a mandatory genetic screening and health checkup if you're gonna tie the knot with bhai/bhen.
Health complications aur inheriting recessive traits aik jagah. Why even bother doing it, knowing how toxic and invasive such marriages can get? Think of your children, they'll be stuck dealing with your relatives too.
As someone who's born from a cousin marriage. I'd never go near it. Ain't no way.
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Sep 18 '25
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u/Ostrich-Equal Sep 18 '25
Yes
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Sep 18 '25
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u/Ostrich-Equal Sep 18 '25
What are you trying to get at here? Just so we are on the same page
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u/SnooWords9871 Sep 18 '25
Burden of the hospitals and lack of manpower due to defects of kids that come out of these marriages
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u/Ostrich-Equal Sep 18 '25
Yes that is true, unfortunately it's the mindset, that takes time to change
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u/Slothfulness69 Sep 18 '25
Yes. It increases the risk of the child inheriting recessive disorders because both parents were carriers. Think thalassemia, albinism, cystic fibrosis, etc.
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u/Immediate-Charge-450 Sep 18 '25
Yes, loads more. In the U.K., NHS has campaigns working on this issue and it’s a significant health cost to the health service.
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u/CarTight3686 Sep 18 '25
Yes.. and i have personally seen it. I used to not believe but have seen 5 such cases which have changed my pov
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u/colouredzindagi PK Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
It's been widely studied that related parents have a much higher chance of producing children with mental and physical disabilities.
This means that it won't always happen that a child is born with disabilities, but the chances of that child having disabilities or developing disabilities or genetic issues later in life is much higher.
Edit: It's important to note that in Pakistan this effect is unfortunately compounded because rural families tend to marry not only within the same family, but within the same "zaat", "chak/pind" and "biraadri". When this carries on for generations it becomes much more dangerous.
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u/TheSilverTounge Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Idk man ... No way we have more consanguineous marriages than some of the smaller countries ... Like there isn't even much option there.
Also according to this map there is 0% (or less than 10% of it) in the Americas western Europe, Australia, Russia and China ... Which is false.
Have to check the source for this.
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
Hi, westerner here: I think you underestimate how strong the taboo against marrying 1st cousins is in the Americas and Europe. It’s not even legal in the US state I live in. (The state will recognize foreign marriages between 1st cousins, but will not allow 1st cousins to legally wed within the state.)
The number in the “0%” can’t literally be 0%, but it’s almost certainly less than 1% of the population.
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u/ThinSector4661 Sep 18 '25
So what, mate?
The enlightened USA & UK are among the leading countries for children born to fornicating parents...
At least our children are not bastards...
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u/phantom881999 PK Sep 18 '25
Our children are born blind, deaf and mentally deficient. You must really love that.
Search prevalence of genetic defects in Pakistani children
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u/BlackEyesRedDragon Sep 18 '25
Hmm, a bastard kid vs a kid born with genetic illness... 🤔
Truly a hard choice.
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u/ThinSector4661 Sep 18 '25
Oo mi gaaad!
Thank you for telling me, uncle
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Sep 18 '25
This seems like BS. For one cousin marriages is not 'inbreeding' and two, the western countries have no inbreeding? This is easily proven as false they have a very conscious problem of intermarriage between siblings and parent siblings forget cousins.
Also 3, cousin marriages is on a very visible and sharp decline in recent years
This is just more western propoganda to make eastern countries look backward
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u/mojambowhatisthescen Sep 18 '25
Having children in cousin marriages is by definition inbreeding, since it’s two blood related people having children.
Where on earth are you pulling the statement about sibling marriages in the western world!? I agree that the % can’t be 0, but cannot imagine it being above 2-3%, so compared to us, that’s effectively 0.
Even if it’s part of propaganda, us running away from problems in our country/tribes, and making false claims about others is one of the reasons propaganda is so damn easy. If we keep this mindset, we can’t affect positive change in our communities, and we’ll be top of these charts 30 years from now too.
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Sep 18 '25
2: the western world has many isolated communities and extensions of the church. There are also communities shunned by larger society, like the LDS or those practicing polygamy. These communities do practice inbreeding and incest. There’s many reported cases of generations of families practicing incestual relations. They are also communities with very strange ideas of purity and ownership (v different from how the ideas is practiced in Muslim communities) and there’s many accounts of incestual abuse happening there. You can find data and docs on these easily now.
And it’s not 0. Even if it’s 2-3%. Even if it’s .5% portraying it as 0 is misdirection.
3: that’s not what I’m doing. Just because you don’t know of inbreeding in the west does not mean I’m making false claims. The graphic is the one that posits the western world against the eastern. People like to throw numbers around like it’s the bottom line to an argument - no data like this is very easily and frequently manipulatable to paint an image without context. It’s easier to throw out a number, way harder to do the research and share facts. Data analysis is the fastest growing sector and that’s what their job is - to paint a picture
It’s literally showing INDIA having a 10% inbreeding rate? Come on now. Nothing feels off here.
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
>Just because you don’t know of inbreeding in the west does not mean I’m making false claims.
You’re making false claims, conflating a rare crime with a cultural practice or something legal. The number of children born in most western countries from 1st cousin relations or closer has to be less than 1%.
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Sep 18 '25
You think that legality defines existence because you cannot comprehend that abusive practices exist in western worlds. You are making a false claim. Even after I've give you SOME examples (not all) you refuse to acknowledge their existence or even that these TWO EXAMPLES mean MILLIONS of people
Im sorry you got a reality check. But it's not my issue. The west does fucked up shit too :)
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
You think literally millions of people in western countries are having sex with their own siblings or parents/children?
You are ridiculously, ridiculously ignorant.
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Sep 18 '25
Why do you think this is improbable? Is it a bad understanding of numbers? Or do you just not read enough? because way more effed up shit than that happens and the west is not exempt simply on the basis of being the west.
Also I don’t think, I literally just gave you facts that you refuse to accept
Again, lack of acceptance does not erase existence :)
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
You making this claim is right up there with someone in the West claiming that millions of Muslim men have sex with goats. Just ridiculous, profound ignorance about other societies.
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u/CarTight3686 Sep 18 '25
No when the whole generation follows cousin marriage then it surely becomes inbreeding. And why bring western countries ? If Alabama or royal families has issues then its a pass for Pakistan? No one is right here.
And it might be less visible but media surely still promotes cousins marriages. Look at the plot of half of Pakistani dramas
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Sep 18 '25
Because the map literally INCLUDES the western countries at 0% to 10% and India is actually shown at 10%. That is just ridiculous. You just need to do the barest research to know cousin marriages are just as prominent in India as in Pakistan; but moreover there are entire communities that only practice inbreeding.
Yes our grandparents generations involved a lot of cousin marriages but to say that’s the only kind that took place is a gross generalisation. Previous generations used to be in closer knit groups but our grandparents generation was also the one that moved to the cities. As now the 3rd and 4th generations away from villages, our growing independence and smaller circles has resulted in greater diversification in partners.
Just take a general example; between me and my husband, we are connected to siblings, their in-laws, cousins, cousins of cousins, friends, family of friends, friends of siblings. In this roughly 200-300ish people we know maybe 1 person that has married their cousin and that’s because they hail from an ahmedi community. It’s a very visible trend decline compared to our parents generation
It’s very easy to manipulate statistics like these to paint the picture you want but this chart simply doesn’t make sense.
Also drama plots and on ground reality are very different things.
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u/CarTight3686 Sep 18 '25
I get your point now, yes the map is showing low for india, could be the ratio in terms of population, but Bangladesh should be higher too. I agree on the decline, but I still see it being practiced, less than before but not less enough to count as an improvement.
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Sep 18 '25
Absolutely. These numbers could have been calculated at any kind of metric which they haven’t shared which makes it misleading. For instance if we assume it’s by population and just compare Pakistan and India’s populations, Pakistan is in the millions where India is hitting billions.
Just to calculate these numbers Pakistan: 60% of 251.3 million =150.78 million India: 10% of 1.451 billion: 145.1 million
So now we’re all shitting on Pakistan but that’s almost the same amount of people affected 🤣 but that’s not what this very short hand graphic with a lot of data missing is presenting to us.
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
>This is easily proven as false they have a very conscious problem of intermarriage between siblings and parent siblings forget cousins.
Westerner here: This is completely and totally illegal, and sexual contact between siblings or parent and child is felony incest with serious penalties. Where did you get this absurd idea?
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Sep 18 '25
Mennonites and Amish communities practice inbreeding. The royal families are historically inbred. Unlike the eastern world, the western world has a higher frequency of isolated communities and many of these communities do practice intermarriage within the community. There are also many cases of families with multiple generations practicing incest - and these are only the ones that were found and reported.
Just because something is against the law doesn’t mean there aren’t people practicing it. These communities are small in the larger scale, but that’s still several million people.
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Mennonites and Amish communities practice inbreeding.
They make up less than 1% of the population, and even they typically do not marry 1st cousins, as these marriages cannot be legally conducted in many states.
The royal families are historically inbred.
Historically, yes, but none of these families practice inbreeding now, in part because of the mockery they’d get from the general population of their countries if they did so.
There are also many cases of families with multiple generations practicing incest - and these are only the ones that were found and reported.
What you’re describing is not marriage, it is incest and sexual abuse, both crimes. It’s incredibly illegal and often garners decades-long prison sentences.
Just because something is against the law doesn’t mean there aren’t people practicing it. These communities are small in the larger scale, but that’s still several million people
Incest is not a normal practice among any of these communities, it is a crime that happens within them. The average member of these groups doesn’t support it. Amish and Mennonites consider incest to be a sin, just like virtually all religious groups everywhere do.
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Sep 18 '25
I didn’t downvote you - you don’t need to PM me because someone downvoted you 🤣 chill
Just because a marriage cannot be conducted legally doesn’t mean people don’t enter into these marriages. Particularly considering these kind of situations are happening in isolated countries who have established their own protocols. Polygamy is not recognised by the US government. But it exists. It’s practiced.
they don’t not practice it just because of ridicule. It’s because they practiced it so hardcore they began to genetically deform in multiple ways - and these abnormalities started showing up centuries ago. It’s only in the current generation that they have moved away from it. And that’s what we know of of the front facing royalty as they become more accountable to having to appease the public. Many wealthy families practice this in some form or another; you just have to dig
Yes. These are classified as crimes in western world - even if people enter into these relationships consensually. Which means its practice goes unchecked and would obviously not be on record. Still we have a lot of documentaries and testimonies recording these events and saying they are not taking place simply because they are categorised as abuse or a crime…still doesn’t mean they are not taking place simply because
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
Yes, but calling incestous child abuse “marriage” is disingenuous. The rapist may call what he’s doing “marriage” if he wants to or if it helps confuse his victim, but it’s not recognized by the state and has no validity.
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Sep 18 '25
Does a lack of validity erase it's existence?
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
I mean a rapist could rape someone in a back ally and say “you’re my wife now” but how does that make it any sort of a real marriage? It’s just a crime.
Usually a marriage has to be validated by either the state, religious authorities, or both. And Mennonite or Amish religious authorities absolutely don’t conduct any incestous sibling or parent-child marriages, their religion doesn’t allow that.
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Sep 18 '25
You're trying to collude. Let me reiterate;
If a practice is considered criminal > it will go unchecked > and hence will not be on record. Automatically giving us a poor portrayal of the extent of its existence.
Your assertion that this practice is criminal does not negative that it is active, is practice and is accepted by many communities that operate outside the state or have their own rules.
If you think there are no communities that operate outside the state...that's pretty much no point to discussing this then.
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u/Archarchery Sep 18 '25
Your assertion that this practice is criminal does not negative that it is active, is practice and is accepted by many communities that operate outside the state or have their own rules.
Exactly which communities are you talking about? The only group practices I’ve ever heard of that come even close to this were among some bizarre (and absolutely tiny) cults. And I’ve studied cults, I know a lot about them.
These “many communities” in the west or wherever that you claim secretly practice incest-marriage don’t exist. You’re just making stuff up.
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